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5-MeO-DMT - Experienced (Retrospective) - Elephant in a Pipe

Jamshyd

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Well, since a couple of people where curious as to why I had such a negative opinion on this compound, I decided toc ompose this retrospective.... (I am a 19yr old male, 120 lbs, with a general "immunity" to Tryptamines)

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My experiences with 5-MeO-DMT are all negative and I am now convinced that this compound, to me at least, is garbage. Here is a summary of experiences, each spaced at least one week apart.

My first attempt was with 10 mg vapourized in a lightbulb, and took it all in 1 hit. I later discovered that I didn’t vapourize it completely, so I probably only inhaled 5 mg. My heart raced and there was a very sharp tinnitus coupled with a disgusting feeling of pressure on the head.

My second attempt I added 10 mg to the residue that was in the lightbulb from last time, totalling approx. 15mg. I made sure it was all vapourized this time. I took it in 2 hits. By the time I took the second hit I was actually in pain… I cold only call it spiritual pain. All the symptoms from the first time here present, much strongest, plus the pressure was all over my body, and it felt like I was going to implode at anytime. In other words, it felt like I was sinking to the bottom of the ocean at a very high speed. This applies to a sensation of suffocation too. I will also note, and this is very important, that I felt this took no more than 10 mins when in reality it actually lasted 30 mins, which in my opinion is a blessing (and unique, since most psychedelics seem to stretch time).

For my third attempt I tried rectal administration. I took a solution of 20 mg. After about 20 mins, I suddenly went into a headspace not unlike a 1st plateau DXM trip. It lasted about 20 minutes and quickly faded away. There was only at one point a slight rippling with eyes open. With eyes closed, there where very inactive and faint visuals. And of course, there was the signature 5-MeO-DMT tinnitus. But not much of the discomfort. This experience was useless to me. I might add that I suspect there is probably MAO activity in the rectum, however not nearly as strong as that in the stomach, since I DID get some effects, but they where nowhere near as strong as what people describe 20 mg insuffated.

My fourth attempt was with insufflation. I divided 10 mg into 4 equal (visually) lines so as to avoid any pain. I took the first two, one in each nostril. There was a very slight peppery sensation but nothing that I couldn’t handle. About 10 mins later, I was at a +, the burning subsided, and took the other two lines in a similar manner to the first two. Within the next 10 mins I was up to a definite +++ which surprised me. This lasted for about an hour (!). It was somewhat psychedelic mentally, and there was very slight rippling sometimes and a bit of colour effects. The CEVs where much like the third time. There was a slight body load with some nausea. This route could be promising (read below), but I can achieve much better states of mind with much less hassle using other compounds.

For my fifth attempt, I decided to give smoking one last chance. I put 20 mg in my lightbulb and vapourized it completely. I took it all in 4 hits. This was identical to my second try only ten times worse. I will note that there where absolutely no psychedelic effects in any of my smoked attempts, only a feeling of general yuckiness. Again, this felt like 10 mins when it actually lasted 40 mins. After that went away I decided that this compound is totally useless for me and I will not consider trying it again via this route.

I have 20 mg left of this material. I will, at some point, attempt to insufflate this whole amount in a similar manner to my fourth attempt, and see where that goes. This probably won’t be soon, though.

I will also note that after EVERY try, there was a consistent set of after effects, most of which I actually enjoy. It leaves you in a good mood for the rest of the day. In fact, it is pretty euphoric for about an hour after the comedown with a marked light-headedness. For the next two days, childhood memories seem to flash randomly and very vividly. This is probably THE most special effect this compound has on me. Is it worth it though? Not a bit :). I will also add that there is always a horrible headache at the back of the head the day after.
 
I've done 5-meo three times now, only once at a breakthrough dose, but each time did make me feel kind of physically ill. The closest comparison I can make is the way you feel after being at the amusement park all day riding rides -- your brains feel mushy and throbbing and squished into one corner of your skull, and you're just exhausted.

I would add that unlike you, I don't particularly like (nor dislike) the comedown period. Mostly it just feels like being stoned to me, but this is marred by the lingering head pain.

But for me, I can imagine doing it about once a year, just to kick my own ass in a salutory way. It is in no way fun or enjoyable, but I believe it is still valuable. I don't think I'll ever feel the need to try 20mg though. 12mg was puh-lenty.
 
That's too bad. I've been blessed in that every time I smoked 5-MeO-DMT I had a +4. 5-MeO-DMT has literally been the best psychedelic ever, when smoked. I snorted it once and had a very unpleasant experience. I feel that smoking (or pissibly IV injection which I have not done) are the only ways to really experience 5-MeO-DMT. Much of what I get is due to the speed of onset and intensity of effects.

I selflessly would love for literally every one in the world to have, even if just once, the blissful-type experience I have with smoked 5-MeO-DMT. The love I felt, the love of the universe, was so intense and beautiful. Ahh, how utopian of me; but I wish every one could have that experience just once. Just might do some good for some of us?

Sorry it was not an ally for you. Perhaps try DMT. Though as I said in another post to you, I don't like DMT smoked and am saving the ayahuasca experience for much later in life. But maybe it will work for you smoked.
 
I hear of/know more people really enjoy 5-meo-dmt than don't. I don't think this has anything to do with mgs having better stuff, just perhaps a better mindset going into the trip. Its not for everyone though.
 
I really have to wonder about 5-MeO-DMT when some people describe it as unparalleled bliss and the finest psychedelic there is, and others find it not only scary and overwhelming, but sickening and impossible to handle. I'm sure psychological factors play a major role, but I think there is some neurochemistry at play here too. For some people the high feels good, and for others it really doesn't.

I think even for those for whom it doesn't feel like bliss (of which I may be one), the material has value, but it's not a value based in pleasure. Just raw experience.
 
Well written report! Thanks for your perspective on this chemical.

I am yet to try a proper dose, but I will be sure to report it when I do.
 
Well.. not so much a proper dose or proper way, but I got impatient and wanted to taste a lowish dose.. So 6-8mg goes into a normal weed pipe and is smoked with a little bit of weed as well.. Held in for 10 sec. WHoa... ok... ahh.. i get it now.. whoa.. ok this is too much... why is everything going white, why am i worrying, will i die? i probably will die... Shit, those scales killed me! It was probably 30mg! etc.. All those thoguhts were going through my head, and in a way I accepted death. But what I want to know is.. how can you feel the most intense euphoria you have ever felt and death at the same time?

Basically, now I know how bad body load can be with them chem, I was told N,N-DMT has near to nothing of this kind. Maybe because its an endogenous chemical the body is used to. But yeah.. I was pretty fucking scared there.. When I came back I was still scared I would die.. AT one point I swear i felt my heart as just super quick vibrations that wouldnt stop along with very shallow breathing.. but yeah, same time.... euhpooria...

Okay I didn't do it properly, and I admit I am kind of scared to now.. But when I breakthrough using a crack pipe or whatever in the future, maybe it comes on so fast theres no worrying. Because you're already far deep in your own, (or someone elses.. ) journey.. and basically.. you don't really exist so how can paranoia/worrying ;-)

But yeah.. the effects on the body!! Can't wait to try real DMT but I will have more attemptsa at 5-meo-dmt in the future.
 
VictorBorge said:
I really have to wonder about 5-MeO-DMT when some people describe it as unparalleled bliss and the finest psychedelic there is, and others find it not only scary and overwhelming, but sickening and impossible to handle. I'm sure psychological factors play a major role, but I think there is some neurochemistry at play here too. For some people the high feels good, and for others it really doesn't.

I think even for those for whom it doesn't feel like bliss (of which I may be one), the material has value, but it's not a value based in pleasure. Just raw experience.

Took the words out of my mouth! I'm still looking forward to trying it though, for positive or negative, it's all a learning experience.

To the original poster, I am curious about your mental headspace and it's state before each of these experiences, care to shed a bit more light?
 
^^^ I third that. I just cannot imagine anyone getting bliss (or psychedellia) out of this material. Whatever floats yer boat I guess ;)

And I enjoyed reading your mini-report, splatt :)

Mean Girl: I tend to not mix drugs. I was totally sober and did not take my SJW/5HTP supplement for 48 hours before each experiment.

In my first one I expected something grand so I actually performed a ceremonial ritual full with banishing and incense and incantations. It obviously did not help ;).

Keep in mind that I never found this drug "scary". It did evoke a physical fear reaction (heartbeat, sweaty palms, trembling..etc.) but mentally I was seeing the effects of the drug as being very inferior and simply physically taxing. It could be my optimistic attitude towards death.

I did not see this material as "powerful" in the manner that DPT is "powerful." I simply found it very physically distressing.
 
Sorry for stealing your thread ;)

Physical fear.. Yes I agree to that actually.
But something so strong mentally can trigger your CNS to do such things. It probably thought you were dying, and went into some sort of shock. But I understand you.. The body load is fucked up!
 
Splatt said:
Basically, now I know how bad body load can be with them chem, I was told N,N-DMT has near to nothing of this kind. Maybe because its an endogenous chemical the body is used to.

5-MeO-DMT is also an endogenous chemical and, like DMT, is produced by the pineal gland in the brain. And I've seen one report that 5-Ho-DMT (bufotenine) is also found in the brain tissue of mammals, but I can not confirm this because I've only seen it once and don't remember where.
 
Yeah I do find it so strange, that some hate it, then some love it. I'm one of those that loves it, thinks its one of the best psychedelics there is, and I even like lowish/medium doses. I never get any body load, but I understand the sweating thing, I had it once only because I didnt take in deep slow breaths and just i guess, relax. Instead of a body load, I just feel pure bliss/love, and when its wearing off, i'm left with a nice feeling in the 'center' of my body, closest I can compare it to is mushrooms. Don't know how to explain the feeling other than that, and it happens when i've smoked just a tiny bit, just kind of a centered, "right" feeling..or something..? I was reluctant to get some, because of all the freaky reports I read. So I get some, and my first experience was maybe the best, and I didn't have the 'death' thing, close, but it was like total relaxation of my left side of the brain's logic stuff, including language, and after I know that I hit a peak i got up and walked around and just observed things in this state, watching a lot of people talk, felt so happy, I could just observe sorta, 'everything at once' like in parallel rather than this, then that. Multitasking abilities like i've never experienced before. I've taken a nice, um, i guess i'd call it medium-high or something dose, right before going into a club, and then once a nice hit before walking right into a goa party. Feels way better than MDMA especially when i'm walking right into the place, or outside before. Might lose the english language, but it seems as soon as i 'need it', i can focus to pay or say something to the people checking my ID or who i'm paying. After that in the 'mode' to dance, have fun.

My friends, esp. the closest friends, I guess all tend to be similar in a lot of ways. Just about all that have tried it loved it. I say just about because I can think of a couple that maybe didnt say they 'loved it' but, never said they disliked it either.

But if you say the death experience doesn't scare you/etc. and if your experienced and not afraid of all sorts of altered states (DPT, etc.), who knows, ?. Especially the body 'load' thing, which i've just not gotten (except the one time sweating a little). Maybe just certain people's chemistry for some reason don't agree with it. Just like I remember getting SO sick from HBWR seeds, while the others that tried it didnt get even a hint of nausea, yet I was barfing and felt 'sick' for hours. Now, give me any "RC" or shrooms, whatever, 5-meo-dipt, if one is likely to give a body load/nausea, i'm not the one to ask because I just don't get it, so if a chem is a possible "make you barf" chem, my friends would be the ones telling me, or i'd tell people to ask someone else thats tried it cause, i'm not the one to ask :)
 
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