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5-meo-dipt & mda -- somewhat experienced -- disappointing evening

psychoblast

psychoblast

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Well, I've used this combo 4 times before, each time having had an awesome experience. The 5-meo-dipt seemed to act as an e-booster, making the rolls stronger than any natural roll.
But on this fifth occasion, things turned out differently.
Setting: Nightclub, Road, Strip Club
Mental State: Good. Looking forward to this night for a while to "cut loose" and appreciate my relatively new single status.
I was planning to go to a club on Saturday night around midnight, meet some friends there. I fell asleep, though, and woke up at 3:00am. At first I was pissed and depressed--I'd been looking forward to this for weeks, had gotten a costume, etc. etc. and now I'd fallen aleep and ruined it.
But I decided to make the best of it, go out anyways and then to an afterhours.
3:00 am -- took 10mg 5-meo-dipt ("foxy").
3:30 am -- get to the club, not as lively as I'd hoped. Probably was busier earlier. After debating with myself for a while, I finally decide to go ahead and roll even though the evening so far had not been going as planned. Dropped 65mg mda.
4:00 am -- definitely feeling the foxy, kind of jittery, jaw clenching (realized I forgot to take magnesium. The combo of foxy and e causes greater jaw clenching than either alone, I've felt like I was going to chip teeth before on this. FYI.)
4:30 am -- moving around the club, not feeling particularly comfortable sitting, standing, walking. Foxy sometimes does this too me, in an environment with too much stimulation I just can't feel comfortable. The mda is supposed to counter this, except that I wasn't really feeling it. I knew this was a chance since I'd taken a pretty small dose of mda.
5:00 am -- take a second roll, 65mg mda. Figure this should join up with the prior one and merge into a good roll since the first was not doing it. This has worked before. This time, it still didn't seem like enough. Like I'd get close to "something," that roll-like feeling...and then I'd just start thinking about it and getting doubtful. Basically, the foxy was fighting with the mda and winning, keeping out some of the mda effects.
5:30 am -- leave the club. In my car, with trance playing, I NOW start to roll. Head to a strip club to enjoy it. On the way, I get in a car accident. Not my fault, but still...waiting for the cops, my eyes dilated huge, jaw clenching, various things in the car that would be found and get me in trouble if the car were searched. So I'm kind of freaking (not to mention just the stress of being in the accident). But I have to get my car fixed, it was the other guys fault, so I figure I'll just see it throw, hope the cops have better things to do than worry about me.
6:30am -- me and the other driver give up on waiting for the cops, exchange info and leave. Feeling wired, and in this weird "almost roll" I still go to the strip club. Normally this should sent me into roll-heaven, particularly bringing out the synergy between foxy and e. But on this occasion, I was tripping a little too much from the foxy... Kept me from completely coming up, I'd see the lines in the dancer's faces, the cold look in their eyes... Just wasn't doing it for me.
8:00 am Head home, put on a porno (yeah, I was a little frustrated). This was interesting, because watching a guy getting a blow job, I almost felt like I was getting the blow job. So, in that frame of mind, I just sort of kicked back and entered a weird, semi-orgasmic, semi-roll. Which was fun, but not mind-blowing, nothing like the prior 4 times.
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Conclusions:
I am shocked and disappointed by the bad results this combo gave after so many good prior experiences. I see a few possible factors:
1. Setting. Obviously, this night was doomed from the start, from going late, to find the club pretty dead, to having a car accident. In a more ideal setting, maybe I'd have "come up" properly and fully.
2. Dose. My prior 4 experiences were all at 8mg foxy. I took 10mg this time, thinking it would not be a big difference, but might kick things up a notch. But that difference may have been part of why the foxy kept overpowering my roll. This is not good. What you want, is the e to overpower the foxy, making the foxy trip subservient to the mda. In a prior experience, I took 8mg foxy, then a weak mda pill, and also did not really "come up" but then I took a second week pill, and everything turned out great after that. This time, the second pill didn't do it.
So, in the future, I'll probably stick with 8mg foxy next time. And I'm not going to do it unless the setting really seems like it would pull the best from the experience. And I'll probably have some stronger stuff with me, to sort of guarantee the roll comes on stronger.
~psychoblast~

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Driving on drugs is BAD. Jesus.
No one here is likely to care that it wasn't your fault. Even if it wasn't your fault, perhaps you could have evaded the accident if you weren't TRIPPING. Part of driving is compensating for other peoples' mistakes, and tripping is going to make that difficult.
Stop being stupid.
peace.
 
Neither drug is particularly problematic for driving.
The foxy is somewhat speedy, so you aren't falling asleep. The primary effects are body buzz, sound distortion and close eye visuals. No really significant open eye visuals. So, anyway, you can maintain and drive on this, at least better than if you are drinking for example.
The e is even more benign. Also speedy, but doesn't detract from any particular sense.
The point is, it is not a situation where you might (1) fall asleep at the wheel; (2) pay less attention to what's going on around you; (3) have visual distortions while driving; (4) have diminished reflexes. IMO it is the drugs that affect these items that you should take care not to drive while using.
So, anyway, I was on something that put me in a "different" state of mind, but not one less alert or awake. And no, I could not have tried to dodge the accident any better sober than what I did.
I'm not defending indicriminate driving under the influence. I think people should be responsible enough to evaluate whether they think they are impaired in a way to significantly affect their driving ability. I took stock of myself and decided the cumulative effects did not make me a worse drive. I stand by that, and I stand by the fact that the accident was not my fault (the other drive did not dispute this).
Anyway, this gets off on a tangent.
Oh, one addition to my report: There were a few occassions where I felt about to "ascend" to the higher level of a foxy-boosted roll, but each time it would fizzle. However, as I approached that level, I do recall starting to do some deep introspective analysis, questioning how I honestly felt about things, etc. And I had a deja vu feeling, And I remembered that the 4 prior times I did this combo and "ascended" that at some point I suddenly started doing this intense introspection and in a way, it bothered me because I was thinking way to seriously for the parties I was at. And I would think, "I should remember next time that this was something I didn't like on the come up." But I never remembered it until it seemed imminent that I was to enter that world. Anyway, a couple times I had a glimse and recollection of the truly qualitative difference of a fully merged foxy roll (as opposd to where the foxy remains dominant over the e), the way you really start thinking differently and it is not always easy to accept. But it is just a stage you hvae to go through to get the fully foxy-roll epiphane.
~psychoblast~
 
psychoblast, did you have anxiety in the club? it seems like from your post you were not 'ready'. maybe your mood drastically changed when you went into the club?
its interesting how you started to roll, when you left the club.
 
Sorry to hear you had a bad time but thanks for posting about your experience.
 
Yeah, I've noticed that foxy makes you more sensitive to sound, light, touch, in a way that can make you very anxious if you are in an environment with lots of stimulation like a nightclub. I've handled it before -- and enjoyed it -- at the 8mg level a number of times, but another time at the 16 mg level I had to get out of the club environment I was at really fast.
This time at the 10 mg level, it was sort of in between. I could hang out, but I also was feeling anxious, just too much going on. And also just anxious about not really feeling the roll, like I'd have brief waves of rolling and then just be feeling the foxy again. When I left and got in my car, that was a much better environment for the foxy--no noises except some great trance, no crowds, no strobing lights--so with the foxy becoming more enjoyable, I think that allowed the roll to come up. Until the car accident.
After the accident, at the strip club, I felt like I did at the club again. Some brief roll-like feelings, but mostly just foxy jitteriness. I did foxy once before at 8mg at a strip club and it was AWESOME. It made everything tinged with sensuality, made me feel as good as I think rolling at the strip club would have been. But this time on the 10 mg of foxy (and the disappointingly weak rolls), I was feeling too trippy. For example, I was noticing the lines in the dancers faces, stuff like that.
This is the same thing that happened to me once when I did shrooms and went to a strip club--bad idea, I just could not get aroused by any of the girls because I was seeing too much of their ugliness, their physical flaws, their concern for money and not me. Anyway, it is very tough for me to get sexually turned on by strippers when I'm on shrooms. It's more like, "Get your tired eyes, wrinkled face and oversized nose out of my space."
Anyway, this time the foxy at 10mg was like shrooms at the strip club, sort of making me see too much of the harsh and unpleasant sides of the dancers rather than highlighting the sensual aspects like it had done at 8mg.
Oh, I also had done g when I did 8mg at a strip club. GHB is a great softener of the harshness of pretty much any kind of drug. I think my night would have been much better (but for the auto accident) if I'd had some ghb.
Anyway, I'm not sure 10mg of foxy would not have been fun with the rolls if the rolls were stronger... Again, it is about getting your roll to come through the foxy rather than being blocked / overwhelmed by it. And it is possible for it to come through, as I have had that experience 4 times and it was much better each time than rolling alone. I used to say that rolling makes you feel like the coolest person in the room. Doing foxy and rolling makes you feel like God. Well, each time until this time.
The first time I did this combo, I did the e first, and after about 2 hours, I dropped the foxy and another roll. That worked great, too, except that after about 3-4 hours, my roll was dying out and the foxy was still getting stronger and the world turned from the beautiful, perfect place to the beautiful, but harsh and anxious place. And it seemed to me that it seemed especially harsh because I was contrasting how everything looked / felt with how it had looked / felt just 20 minutes earlier when I still had my roll going strong. So, anyway, that is my explanation these days for doing the foxy first, then the roll after an hour. But I guess maybe doing it in this order may make it harder for the roll to break through?
Well, if you are going to try the combo, be careful. I can't repeat enough how I felt my temperature fluctuated much worse than rolling alone, and my heart rate was faster than rolling alone and, to make it even worse, I had more restless energy and could dance and do light shows REALLY fast for a long time and I had to consciously stop myself and think , "Shit this is not good, this is how some one would die from getting overheated."
~psychoblast~
 
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