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5-Meo-DALT(136mg in 2:45)1st time- Amazing trip, panic attack, dissacociation, more

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5-Meo-DALT - First time, 136mg over 2:45, Amazing trip - Easy going with similarities to MDMA at low-mid level dose, intense psychedelia, panic, and black out at very high dose

Weight: 300lb
Height 5'11"
Drugs taken for medical purposes: Bisoprolol+HCTZ(Hypertension), Trilipix(High Triglycerides), Lorazepam(Severe panic attacks(been in the hospital from them four times)), was on antidepressants but I stopped taking them because they did not seem to help and I now feel somewhat better than I did when on them.


Yesterday, I tripped 5-meo-dalt for the first time. I had smoked 2mg the previous day and could not say whether it had any small effect or not, but was satisfied that the chemical was either what it was said to be or something with a similar or lesser potency and that I wasn't going to accidentally overdose. I have read of a number of intentional doses of 100mg+ in one dose and of a 250mg dose insufflated all at once without anyone reporting any serious side effects though some had overly intense trips. A normal dose is listed as 10-20mg in TIHKAL, though a lot of people use it in the 30-80mg range in trip reports, with doses on the higher end mostly being spread out over several hours.

I decided I'd start by insufflating 30mg. Within 5 minutes I was definitely feeling something and within another 20-30 minutes I had peaked. I would not call it tripping, but it was quite pleasant, especially its enhancement of all the senses, with touch being particularly pleasant and more intense than usual. I felt a bit emotionally opened as well. I enjoyed the effects of this level, but wanted to see if I could bring out the empathogenic effects a bit.

I measured out 106mg and then insufflated an estimated 35mg of that. It was probably about 45 minutes later when I peaked this second time. Now, the sensory enhancement was intense, similar to MDMA at a moderate dose. I lay back with my eyes opened and felt as if I was sinking into the bed. It seemed like there was a warm, dark layer behind my eyes and body that I was sinking into. There also seemed like there was a thin layer of darkness above. I was able to let myself go and just flow with the moment. Emotions were felt at a deeper level than usual and tended to be much more positive and hopeful than my normal emotions. I stayed like this for what seemed a long while, but was probably only around an hour. It was starting to fade. I ate half of the remaining dose and felt only slightly higher 30min later, so I ate the rest.

After reading much about this drug, I knew that effects typically start within 15min and peak about 30min after oral dosing. Part of my dose was intranasal. Strongest effects should last 2-3 hours with a pretty quick rise and fall according to erowid trip reports and TIHKAL. Maybe 30-45 minutes after eating the last of the dose, I was again feeling the effects intensify. I could feel the sensory enhancement and feeling of love and empathy returning. This time it was different. Visuals also started to become apparent as was a more psychedelic mindstate. Within another 10 minutes I was tripping solidly. I was feeling ecstatic for maybe the next 15 minutes, then started to feel some confusion and a bit of anxiety. I comforted myself with the knowledge that the first doses should start wearing off any time.


Sometime probably during the following 15 minutes, just guessing, I started to feel like everything was unfamiliar, like I wasn't sure where I was. I also had the sense that I was dying. My mother arrived at that point and I told her I was dying, that I was about to have a stroke, and that my blood pressure was way too high. She checked it. I remember it was 120something/70something and a pulse in the 60s, which is just slightly lower than the 130-135/70-80 that it most often runs. No trouble there She told me that I was having a panic attack, that it was just a bad trip, and I would be okay. I kept asking her how she knew that and telling her she did not know that I wasn't dying.

The last thing I remember doing is telling her to take me to the hospital and standing up. Apparently after standing up, I started walking toward the couch, stopped, said something about the loops connecting behind space, then going to the door and apparently taking time figuring out how to open it. My mom says I demanded her take me to the hospital or I would scream for the neighbors to call 911. My oldest nephew and mom had to guide me to the car, because I could not find it. I was told afterward that it took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to get in the car because I had forgotten how to bend mt knees. They then drove me to the hospital and for the next 30 minutes we sat in the parking lot near the ER entrance. My mom kept checking my blood pressure, with the readings being normal the whole time. During this time, I begged them to take me in and repeatedly told my mom and nephew that I was dead and apparently I spent some time crying about how I'd never finish college and about how much my family and my pet macaw were going to suffer and be sad because I was dead. I am told that I kept saying I was dead most of the time I was in the car. Not sure exactly what I said, but my mom said I told her I was stuck in a dead hole in space forever, or something like that. When asked where I was, I'd just say I was dead.

Maybe after 30 minutes(that's how long my mom says we sat in the car), my mom asked me where I was and I said in the car. She asked if I knew where the car was and said it was in front of the house, but it was actually at the hospital. Around that time, she says I stopped talking about dying and being dead. I have no memory of going to, being in, or leaving the car.

My mom took me back home at this point. She says it took a while to get me back in the house. There was some type of green tool on the front porch, and my mom says I was acting scared. She asked what was wrong, and I told her it was trying to bite me. She told me it was not alive, but I would not believe her.

I was lying on my bed looking at the computer screen, which showed a photo of a raccoon on it. I thought it was alive and I was trying to make it come out by poking the computer screen. I had been wanting a raccoon for a pet and I thought I had one that was stuck in the computer. My mom eventually came in and took the computer away so I would not damage it.

I lay there tripping with intense visuals that were distinctly different from those I have seen from any other psychedelic. It was more of a typical psychedelic trip at this time, though a very, very intense one that would for a while occasionally completely remove me from reality.


I had a disturbing image of a naked man with a short beard wearing cowboy hat touching my penis and felt something being inserted into my rectum. I will assume that it was just a disgusting image brought on by the trip, but I have seen that guy in trips before and he always is molesting a child. I hope it didn't really happen. It would be disturbing if I someday found out it did. I've written a number of trip reports, but I never shared that recurrent theme before. It makes me feel bad when that comes up. It remained intense.

One of the interesting things about this is how while tripping hard I would see like photos or short videos of places, people, or things in my mind. This usually happened when I felt as if I was leaving or partially leaving the real world. One of the things I saw was the sunflower patch in the backyard of the house I lived at when I was 4-5 years old under a large oak tree which had a tire swing attached to it. It was a very special place to me when I was little, and a very beautiful scene.

There were a number of other images and scenes I viewed in my mind as I was gradually returning to my mind, but I just don't remember what they were. I know one contained grapes in it and another an old truck.

During the period I saw the visions, I would come back to the present feeling like I was melted and soaked into the mattress. I found this very funny. Only HBWR seeds and mushrooms have made me see such totally real images on more than one trip, with HBWR doing it frequently. Maybe high dose 5-meo-dalt can be added to that.

Things rapidly wound down during the 45 minutes or so after the visions stopped, from a very intense +3 to a minimal +1 level, then completely gone in another 90 minutes. I felt very good after it was over and very glad to have had the experience. Maybe it is a blessing that I can't remember what must have been intense horror and shame when I believed I was dying and then that I had killed myself. I still wonder what it must have felt like.

I initially had trouble sleeping with too many thoughts going through my mind, but managed to get a good 7 hour sleep after 3 hours of tossing and turning.

Physical side effects were limited to fairly mild dizziness at times and slight nausea.

I will definitely do this drug again, but doubt if I will take the dose this high in the future. I went into it with no intention of taking a huge dose, and when I measured out the large dose I expected to spread it out over the rest of the afternoon and into the night.
 
I should also mention that I have had several very bad trips on DOI. This drug has a duration of effects lasting 16-30 hours at normal doses according to PIHKAL, with a dose range of 1.5-3.0mg.

I normally used 8-15mg, which resulted in durations of 35-45 hours. Once I was experimenting with oral dosing of JWH-018. I had eaten 20mg a few days earlier with pleasant effects, but wanted something quite a bit stronger so I thought I'd try 40mg. I decided I'd add 5mg of DOI to the mix. I made a mistake. Instead of 5mg of DOI and 40mg of JWH-018, I took 40mg of DOI and 5mg of JWH-018. I started to feel the DOI in 15-20 minutes and knew something was up as it usually takes 45-60 minutes before I notice anything at all. I am having a strong, pleasant trip 45minutes into it but have some fear due to the massive overdose. Another 15 minutes and I start to panic.

Another 15 minutes or so and I am convinced that I am dying. For the next 60 hours, I am writhing about, saying I am dying, saying parts of my brain was dying, that I had worms eating my brain, my brain was bleeding, I was having a stroke, I was having a heart attack, I was having a seizure, and various other things that I don't remember. There were a few points where I literally screamed as loud as I could for help. This went on for 60 straight hours with another 10-12 hours of anxiety that I would call below panic attack level. I was not fortunate enough to block out the memory of that.

I would much rather have a really bad trip for 2 or 3 hours and have no memory of the worst parts than to spend 60 hours knowing that I was dying, believing all kind of horrible things were happening to my brain and sometimes other parts of my body, fear that had me screaming, and remember every bit of it.

Without tripping at all, I will usually believe 2-4 times a week for 2-6 hours (it's been over 12 hours at least a few times) that I am dying due to my severe panic attacks. Last time I was in the hospital with one, they injected me with lorazepam twice and antipsychotics twice and I still thought I was dying. They injected me with something else an hour or two after that, I don't know what it was, and probably within half an hour I was improving.

Just thought I'd add:

You probably already know this, but JWH-018 is far more potent when smoked than eaten. Smoking 40mg would be very, very unpleasant for most people. It is thought that large overdoses could potentially cause seizures because it is a full CB1 agonist and inhibits GABA. Wikipedia "JWH-018 may cause intense anxiety, agitation, and, in rare cases (generally with non-regular JWH users), has been assumed to have been the cause of seizures and convulsions by inhibiting GABA neurotransmission more effectively than THC. Cannabinoid receptor full agonists may present serious dangers to the user when used to excess." Smoking 5mg was enough for me to get strong effects and doses over 10mg (max I think 15mg) caused me to become unresponsive or unconscious with a heart rate as high as the 140s according to my mom who checked it. Blood pressure was slightly elevated. I'd say smoking 3-4mg was just as intense as eating 20mg. I have read posts of people smoking 200mg. Either they have bad shit, extreme tolerance, or are lying (or I guess could be incredibly insensitive to it).
 
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Very interesting report. My experience with this substance was a mixed bag. I felt euhoria and felt a little "tuned in" but nothing exceptional. I tried smoking it once and the taste was too much to handle.
 
Just out of curiosity, what was your dose? All of the interesting reports I have read reported amounts at least several times the dose listed in TIHKAL.

Also, did you happen to obtain yours in 2010? That year, flephedrone and maybe something else was being sold online as 5-Meo-DALT. You probably had the real thing, most trip reports make it sound like one of the least interesting psychedelics.

Interestingly, the person who took a 250mg insufflated dose thinking it was mephedrone was able to barely keep his shit together while in a public place. I don't think that trip is on Erowid or Bluelight, I could not find it there.

There is a report on Erowid of someone using 225mg during a hurricane thinking that would be a fun time to trip. He seemed to keep himself together as well, though it sounds that he barely managed it.

Some found 60mg to be way too intense.

I tried smoking a bit earlier today. I managed to smoke most of what was in my pipe in 5 minutes. The smoke was very harsh. Though it is much more potent smoked, I don't think I'll repeat that. The duration seems much less when smoked.
 
I have taken it in doses of 20mg up to 75mg oral. I was impressed with the euphoria it gave me. Kind of like a low dose entactogen(something weak like MDAI) mixed with a little psychedelic mind expansion type of feeling. This one is very odd in my book :) I found music to be exceptional on it...Beatles sounded great!

EDIT-and yes I had mine at the start of 2010(around march or so) and both samples I had were of equal quality. I can't imagine someone taking 4-fmc/3-fmc and thinking they were tripping ;) Would be funny though.
 
I can't imagine someone taking 4-fmc/3-fmc and thinking they were tripping ;) Would be funny though.

Yeah, and the two reports from Erowid on flephedrone/4-fmc are of a 350mg and a 400mg dose(which resulted in severe vasoconstriction and hospitilazation). I imagine an amount in the typical 5-Meo-DALT range would go unnoticed or just be a threshold dose. So unless they were tring to OD on the stuff, they'd have to think they were tripping while sober.


I guess this substance effects me differently than it does a lot of people.
I found it to have significant empathogen and entactogen effects.

I found the same thing with 4-FA today.

Mixing the two briefly produced perhaps the most intense emotional experience of my life, though it was only highly intense for probably less than five minutes.

Here is what the peak of today's experience was like when mixing a large dose of 4-FA with a medium dose of 5-Meo-DALT, taken from the "I'm high" thread.

I have been using 4-FA all day and into the night. Don't plan to do any more though. Earlier I smoked 20-30mg 5-Meo-DALT (I loaded 40mg in the pipe but it did not all vaporize), right after smoking a eyeballed 60-75mg of 4-FA in a redose.

When I mixed 4-FA with 5-Meo-DALT, I experienced for 2 or 3 minutes the most intense, deep emotions and feeling of understanding others emotionally that I have ever experienced in my life. I had a long post written, but it was lost. I'll just make a shorter version of the post.

Before exhaling the 5-Meo-DALT smoke, I became overwhelmed by emotions and thoughts. I managed to hold it in for maybe 10 seconds after that feeling hit before I just burst out crying. I was not crying out of sadness. It seemed as if I could feel all emotions at once and at a deeper level than ever before. This part may have lasted 15-20 seconds, then I started seeing images and visions which were matched with the appropriate emotion but usually at a MUCH more extreme level than one would expect.


I first saw images of family members and pets (mostly ones that have long been dead, I only have one pet now - a Blue and Gold Macaw) and felt love for and from them each time. I felt the most intense love and gratefulness for every human and non-human animal that I love. I felt thankful to be alive after probably more life threatening events than many/most people have in their life. I saw images of family members and pets (mostly ones that have long been dead, I only have one pet now - a Blue and Gold Macaw) and felt love for and from them each time.

I then had a vision of emaciated, starving children probably from Sub-Saharan Africa. I felt intense sadness for and empathy toward them, knowing that there is no need for people to die like that. I briefly imagined what I thought the parents must feel.

After that, I started not only having visions, but reliving memories of the past, mostly negative ones. It started with a vision of my dad on one of his rampages when I was a small child. I was in bed with my mom and the feeling I had was of utter terror, like I was going to die.


The next set of memories involved some really bad things I did as a kid/teenager.
I felt the most intense regret and sadness for the terrible things I did. The worst of those things was probably abusing/torturing animals from age 10-13, and was definitely the most upsetting memories that came welling up. I saw visions like photos of the animals I hurt and in one case killed. I was wishing that I could go back and not do it. Maybe I was a bad person then, but I think it was because I was severely emotionally abused all through my childhood, feeling my life and my mom and brother were in danger from age 4-14 due to my dad's violent threats. I always severely regretted hurting the animals immediately afterward and would often then inflict harm on myself(including a half hearted suicide attempt by tylenol overdose which did make me sick as hell). The sadness and regret sometimes stayed strong for days-a couple of weeks and even now 15 years later I fairly often find myself regretting it. I also remembered the acts of vandalism I committed during that time, though I quickly came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth regretting as it was just minor material damage. I remembered and relived the intense fear I felt when my dad threatened to kill my mom or me or burn the house down while we slept. I felt the fear and had a vision of myself lying on my bed at night feeling like someone would was going to crawl through the window and kill me.

I then started feeling great regret over how I treated my mom and other people from age 15-18. I however do not know how much control I actually had over my actions from most of that time as by the time I turned 16 I had psychotic depression. I believed at times that my parents were actually scientists doing psychological experiments on me and that I was just a test subject. I always felt there were hidden cameras and microphones in my bedroom, the bathroom, and my workplace. I often believed that my parents and boss were plotting to have me sent to a mental institution. I thought everyone was saying nasty, hurtful things behind my back. I believed everyone thought I was retarded and often believed I actually was. A voice in my head would constantly say bad things about me and tell me to harm myself in various ways. When I was in a vehicle, the voice would often tell me to crash into oncoming 18 wheelers or if someone else was driving, to grab the wheel and steer into it. I actually tried to do it when my mom was driving and my two youngest nephews were in the car. My mom fortunately kept control. I then tore off the rearview mirror, broke it, and stabbed myself in the hand multiple times with pieces of broken glass. This event was one of those I relived during this experience, and it horrified me.

After that, the images and memories turned to me and my brother playing as little kids and memories of my best childhood friend. At this point the images were losing clarity and quickly stopped altogether.

I still felt intensely emotional for a couple of minutes, but it quickly returned to a balanced stimulant/empathogen/entactogen/mild psychedelic mix.
 
After ingesting a rather large dose of 5-meo-dalt a whle ago. I had extreme anxiety, dizzyness and eventaully pased out, not for long but long enough. The major effects I got were the very very intense colours, vibrant yellows and purples in strobe like patterns, the moving shadows(I was in my darkened bedroom alone) and a severe pain in my eyes as if they were rolling around way too fast for extended periods of time. It was the scariest drug I've taken in years. The afterglow was soo nice i tripped twice again after this frightening trip in that night, I haven't bought any since tho.

I never posted a trip report, mainly because i was embarrased I was of how little care i took, how scared I got and how confusing I found the whole exp. I can honestly say tryptamines are not for me. If only I could get the afterglow in chem form tho!!

The thing that got me was how suddenly awake and "back to reality" I was for short periods. I had recently quit meph and like a fool I took these moment as sobriety and upped the dose again and again. It's reassuring to know that I'm not alone, thanks for you TR. Even though you took a great deal more care for your trip, we both nearly messed ourselves up.

Also a sympathetic word, I too have tried anti-depressants and found them of no use, tried two kind and they both made me feel worse.
 
My mom would of kicked my ass lol, be great full for having such a chill mother...
The highest dose i ever took of Dalt was 30mg with 2c-E 30mg....
Was a great time and good mix imo
 
mwahahahahahaha. lmfao.

Sorry; sounds terrible.

I don't get how that's fucking funny at all. That was a disturbing and possibly real recollection of a surpressed memory, so despite your apology, you can fuck right off douchebag. The OP was baring his soul. He even said he had never shared that recurring theme before.

To the OP - I cannot believe you took 40mg DOI and survived. I would not want to live through that without hospitilization.
 
I don't get how that's fucking funny at all. That was a disturbing and possibly real recollection of a surpressed memory, so despite your apology, you can fuck right off douchebag. The OP was baring his soul. He even said he had never shared that recurring theme before.

To the OP - I cannot believe you took 40mg DOI and survived. I would not want to live through that without hospitilization.

Lighten up dickbrain. Just found that partcular sentence funny. Wasn't ridiculing the guy's experience.

Get off your high horse.
 
Sounds ridiculously intense. o.o Damn man, on that 40 mg DOI trip do you know if you had any actual health problems at all or was it all in your head? And did you take any extra benzos or antipsychotics or anything? Personally I've always thought DOI was one of the safer drugs, I never noticed any side effects at all, but I wasn't about to jump into those doses. Back in my clubbing days I would've loved tripping for 60 hours.
 
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