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5-MeO-AMT - Third and Final (?) Experience - The Longest Night

mikhail

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Well, I had my third (really 2nd if you discount the first threshold dose) 5-MeO-AMT trip last night. I didn't take any notes, so here are the events as well as my memory will allow -

Dose: 10mg 5-MeO-AMT
Weight: 285lbs
25 year old Male

T+ 0:00, 5pm: I dosed 10mg 5-MeO-AMT freebase powder suspended in Bacardi 151. Setting was at home...quiet, not much going on. I was pretty relaxed and in a good mood, although a bit tired from work. Ate the drugs on an empty stomach...last meal was 6 hours before ingestion. Washed the 4mL of Bacardi down with some Pepsi.

T+ 1:30, 6:30pm: Drug is starting to take affect. As in my last trip, I haven't experienced any of the characteristic nausea, vomiting or diarrhea that many people seem to have during the first couple hours of a 5-MeO-AMT trip. I was a bit anxious at this point, expecting to vomit at any time, but never did. Thankful for that. I begin feeling some body changes...arms and legs are a bit loose, numb and generally feel like rubber bands. Nothing else at this time.

T+ 3:00, 8pm: I'm fully up now. I'd say I'm at a +2 to +2.5 on the Shulgin scale...not anywhere near my last experience. I feel a bit jumpy and nervous...or maybe anxious would be the best way to describe it. Time is slowed down considerably...I'd let what felt like 30 or 40 minutes pass, and check my watch to find it had only been 5 minutes. I knew I was in for a long ride at this point. Watched Denis Leary's Roast on Comedy Central and found it hilarious. I was totally engrossed in the show, and it seemed to last a long, long time. Feeling pretty good...a little euphoria, decent body high, although the feeling are counteracted by the drug's "speed" effect.

T+ 4:30, 9:30pm: I decide to take a shower. Get in the bathroom and check my eyes...my pupils are absolutely huge. Barely a rim of color visible around the edges. Nice. I'm having slight visual distortions now...patterning I guess. Look at my face in the mirror...looks normal at first, then as I concentrate on a certain area, seems I start to see more and more detail. Every detail seems to be enhanced, and slightly "breathing". The marble countertop is an absolute wonder to stare at. The whirls in the marble look like ultra-realistic pools of water that are all swirling in different directions, very slowly. Colors are brighter than normal...I find that if I look at something directly, it looks normal, then the longer I stare at it the brighter it gets. Very cool. Noticing more visuals in my peripheral vision...the walls and shower curtain are breathing, flowing in a way...yet if I look at them directly, the distortion goes away for a sec, then comes back, slightly less intense than before.

T+ 5:00, 10pm: I'm in the shower now. I'm staring at the walls of my fiberglass shower enclosure, concentrating on the ever so slight straitions coming through the enamel. The more I look at them, the more intense and deep they become...almost like the enamel is wearing away and aging right before my eyes. I stared at this for at least 15 minutes, which felt like over an hour to me. The water feels pretty good...I'm switching from hot, to warm to cold water and just enjoying the feeling. Feels exactly like a shower does while on MDMA.

T+ 6:00, 11pm: Watch a movie for a couple of hours downstairs. I'm totally engrossed in what would otherwise be a boring movie. The cats are irritating me, so is my girlfriend. I find that I'm extremely sensitive to peripheral sights and sounds...so much that her speaking during the movie is like nails graitng on a chalkboard to me. I hold my tongue, thankfully.

T+ 9:00, 2am: Movie is over, we head upstairs and start messing around in bed. I have a normal level of desire for her and our sex life is pretty healthy, but I can't seem to get or maintain an erection at all, even with a fairly long and heavy effort on her part. She eventually falls asleep, and I lay in bed next to her, wide awake yet wanting the trip to be over. I'm pretty bored at this point...no one to talk to, 150 channels on Satellite but nothing worth watching. I end up tossing and turning in bed for an hour, then finally fall asleep...wake up about every hour for the next 5 hours until I'm finally able to get real sleep. Slept about 4 hours, then woke up. Had a slight headache in the morning which was probably due to hunger and lack of sleep, which a sandwich and some Motrin promptly cured.

I feel pretty decent today. I find the hangover from 5-MeO-AMT to be possibly better than the trip itself, if you can believe that. I feel relaxed, yet not too tired after a good nap this afternoon. I'm in a good mood, not depressed or anything, and conversation is easy.

I have no desire to do 5-MeO-AMT ever again. This was my first research chemical...I am thankful for the experience, and even had a great trip the last time, but now I'm thinking it was more due to the setting and my friends than the drug itself. I'm coming to agree with what most other people are saying on their trip reports and on the forums...this drug doesn't seem worth it, considering what else is out there. I now have a few doses of this stuff sitting in some Bacardi 151 that will probably never get used. I could give it to friends, but I don't want to feel responsible for them using a potentially dangerous reserach chemical. I'll probably just keep it in it's current state for a while, then eventually destroy it.

It wasn't a "bad trip", just not all that fun. 2C-E, here I come.


:)
 
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An interesting and well written report. I know what you mean when you talk of "wanting the trip to end". @ 30mg of AMT I felt the same during the comedown period (T+~12hrs), however the amphetamine-like stimulation just wouldn't let up. Good luck with any future endevours, thanks for sharing :)
 
Wow, 10mg didn't seem to do much to you. I've never tried 5-MeO-AMT but from what I read, 10 mg is 3X an effective dose for many. But I also read many are heard-heads to it and often feel they need 10 mg or even a bit more to experience intense effects. Or was it an intense trip and I just am misunderstanding the report?

Knowing my sensitivity to tryptamines (at least the ones I've tried), I'd probably go out of my body at that dose.

It's too bad you put the 5-MeO-AMT in rum. If not for the sugars and other additives (yes, even the clear Bacardi has sugar and flavorings added) in rum you could always keep it as a mere novelty. I have no idea what its legaility is anywhere but in the USA, but assuming it retains its current grey-area legal status it's only illegal to use/distribute as a drug. It is technically not illegal to keep it as a simple chemical novelty, but I realize the authorities can do what they want to do and that laws are open to individual interpretation.

According to USA federal law, and many state laws, 5-MeO-AMT could be considered an "analogue" although it is quite a distant analogue from anything illegal that I can think of. The closest schedule 1 substances that it resembles in structure would be either DMT, AMT, AET, 5-MeO-DiPT, or 5-Ho-DMT. But it isn't really an "analogue" of any of those in the way 2C-C, 2C-F, or 2C-I are analogues of illegal 2C-B. 5-MeO-AMT and AMT are alike, but it isn't an analogue as explained to me by two knowledgeable chemists in the field. It is actually AMT, but with a whole new structure added on it. 2C-B and 2C-I are analogues in that they are the same molecule except for one atom change (switching bromine for iodine.) But when you introduce a completely new structure in the molecule (in this case, adding a methyloxy group to AMT at the 5th position) it becomes a new molecule. It's is not an analogue.

mikhail said:
I could give it to friends, but I don't want to feel responsible for them using a potentially dangerous reserach chemical.

I wish more people had such ethics. :( Especially the sleazy commercial vendors that specifically sell obscure psychedelic chemicals and herbs such as Salvia divinorum as "legal" highs. Two I know of specifically call a designer tryptamine "legal psilocybin."

[disclaimer]I'm told by someone who knows better than I that at this particular time, it should be made clear the following subject I am about to discuss always took place in international waters, and thus I was not obligated to follow, nor did I break, the laws of any nation, state, etc. [/disclaimer]

8( Did I really do that? At least I didn't use the really annoying SWIM acronym. Anyway...

Well I'm guilty for sharing "research chemicals" that happen to be psychedelic in nature with my closest friends (we actually are talking about five people here, well actually eight if you count the two former and my current lady-friends.) All were already familiar with the psychedelic state via the common and well-researched chemical LSD, or with psilocybin mushrooms or baby woodrose seeds. Both plants contain chemicals that have been used by humans since we have existed. Everyone who chose to take one of these psychedelic research chemicals were given an extensive overview of all known psychological and physiological actions of the molecule, which was/still is usually very little (hence the term research chemical.)

Now many of these people already read PIHKAL, TIHKAL, the other basic necessary psychedelic books everyone must read, and most made it a habit to check the experience vaults at www.erowid.org daily for something new. But the ones who did not happily read all of the relevant information I provided for them including any available trip reports on the particular substance. Either way, they know me well and I tend to talk of psychedelics quite frequently with those I'm close with (even my family!) Everyone who is close to me gets an automatic education about psychedelics by simple default!

Most important is that those who chose to partake in these psychedelic research chemicals knew the nature of these substances was that to where little was known about them, and I could not make any accurate claims as to how their body would react or if there would be any negative long-term effects.

I never gave anyone a psychedelic research chemical without completely educating them with all available information. And again, all had previous psychedelic experiences with chemicals/plants that had a long safety record. A few were already fairly well-read anyway as to what they were about to ingest. No one was given one of these chemicals casually, or at a "spur of the moment."

I had prior experience with almost every psychedelic research chemical I ever shared. The exceptions are 2C-E, DiPT, and iprocin. I had my first experiences with those molecules with a friend who also happened to be trying them for the first time. But in that situation, he had just as much knowledge of the materials as I did because he was a frequent visitor to the same entheogen-related websites we all go to and love. And with the exception of 2C-E, I felt the safety profile of those two (DiPT and iprocin) was established enough to where I felt there would be no short-term toxicity issues. Unlike 2C-E, DiPT and iprocin have had a few animal studies and also have been tasted by more than just those in the Shulgin inner-circle. I'm rambling again...

I would have felt very bad if something negative happened to one of the folks I shared an obscure psychedelic with, but no worse than had happened with LSD, or mushrooms. As I said, all made their own educated decisions to take these molecules after careful consideration and thorough research of what little material existed on the chemical we were taking. And again, nobody was given one of these chemicals casually, or in a "spur of the moment" decision.

Oh wait, there was the time I shared 6mg of 5-MeO-DiPT with a buddy. It was sorta "spur of the moment." But we took a fairly low dosage, and the chemical had a fairly well-established short-term safety record, and he read about it for at least an hour before we took it.

I have no regrets. Indeed every tripI ever had in sharing one of these designer tryptamines or phenethylamines with a friend was a positive experience. The only thing that I would probably do differently is give lower dosages of 2C-T-7 to the five I shared it with because it was their first time, and that chemical has a very well-established record for being erratic in dosage. I never gave anyone more than 30mg their first time, but for many 30mg would be much too much. Some have strong reactions with just 10mg.

I've been lucky. I recommend that nobody ever give another individual psychedelic chemicals. Indeed I recommend that no one should ever take any drugs.

Damn, this was a long rant that really would have been better off in a different thread. Hmm, I may make this a topic in a different forum.
 
Thanks for the support guys...I'm fairly new to writing trip reports, just trying to give something back to the forums here from which I learned so much.


MorningGlorySeed - I'm not too experienced with entheogens, so I couldn't really say whether this was an intense trip or not. Interestingly, my last journey with 7.5mg of 5-MeO-AMT seemed more intense than the most recent 10mg experience. Like my report said, I would estimate it at around a +2 or +2.5 Shulgin. Last time was without a doubt a +3, on less drug believe it or not.

And yes, I'm generally a hardhead when it comes to any drug, including regular prescriptions and alcohol. Since you mentioned Salvia Divinorum, and I know you've tried it based on reading your trip reports, it took smoking almost an entire gram of 10x Salvia extract for me to trip, while my friend tripped after she smoked only one hit of 5x. This being the case, I still decided to start on a low 3.5mg dose with 5-MeO-AMT and have been working my way up ever since. I do feel like 7.5mg was the magic number for me, since I had a better time on that than on a 35% higher dose of 10mg.

As far as the legal status of research chemicals go...I try to err on the side of caution and just consider any RC in my possesion to be just like any Schedule 1 substance. I may be able to "get away" with possesion of a Research Chemical, but why chance it? I figure I'm fairly safe having some of the stuff I do in my home right now, seeing as that I'm a responsible, working adult with no criminal history and I don't abuse the stuff. I have a lot to lose, and it's not worth the gamble to me to screw around and possibly end up with a criminal problem.

A seperate but related issue...this ties in with the reason I talked my friends out of taking 5-MeO-AMT with me the first night I really tripped on it last month. I knew what I was getting into...but I really didn't think the people that wanted to take it were ready for something this intense. I had done countless hours of reading and research on the compound and felt comfortable that I could start with a fairly low dose and have a decent trip, which I did, and then some. It would be irresponsible of me to let others take it that weren't fully aware of the dangers inherent in research chemicals...now, I do have a couple of close friends that I believe are ready for this drug, so maybe I will give them a dose or two and sit for them, but we'll see how that works out.

One final note...unfortunately, I was forced to use the liquid measurement technique with my 5-MeO-AMT because at the time I lacked a proper scale, only having one that was accurate to 10mg. I have a 1mg scale on the way, so it won't be a problem with my next RC which will most assuredly be 2C-E.
 
^^^
Its unwise to waste a lot of Salvia to try to break through your first time. Most people simply won't.

Take a few hits at most and put it away... most people experience reverse tolerance and will have an easier time breaking through on Salvia later on.

peace!
 
Less is More

mikhail said:
Interestingly, my last journey with 7.5mg of 5-MeO-AMT seemed more intense than the most recent 10mg experience. Like my report said, I would estimate it at around a +2 or +2.5 Shulgin. Last time was without a doubt a +3, on less drug believe it or not.

Many times with psychoactive substances, less can end up being much more. :D

I find this to be especially true with 2C-I. I find that one most useful and enjoyable in the 12mg to 16mg area. Now I've gone as high as 26 mg, but it is way too stimulating for me when the dosage reaches 20mg or above. On only three occasions have I taken more than 16mg of 2C-I, out of perhaps one dozen total experiments with it. I took 20mg, 25mg and 26mg on those high-dose occasions and all three times my body got very "wired up" making it was difficult to sit still comfortably and relax. I also remember my thoughts racing at a very uncomfortable pace. But the mental effects produced from higher dosages of 2C-I don't seem to get any better than when I take it at smaller levels. Except for one special occasion when a high dosage produced a very special plus-four trip. Having had such a special experience, I'll never take more than 16mg of 2C-I again. There just is no need for me too.

I don't have much experience with iprocin. I've taken it four times now. My last go with it, a couple of months ago, was at 14mg and it smashed the ole' ego harder than any previous trial! 8o I've gone as high as 24 mg with iprocin. But unlike 2C-I, I found all of my high-dose iprocin experiences (three out of four total) extremely rewarding and free from any troublesome side-effects. I love that material and look forward to getting to know it better one day in the future. It is without any doubt my favorite synthetic tryptamine (that I've tried), and I find it every bit as rich as psilocybin mushrooms.

The same rule also seems to extend to 5-MeO-DMT, but like iprocin I have limited experience with it. All told, I've had four experiences with vaporizing the molecule and one time I insufflated it. At 6mg to 8mg (vaporized), I experienced total bliss, universal oneness, and spiritual death/rebirth. But at 10mg (vaporized), I blacked out and remember little of the experience. A total waste. Insufflation sounded like a good idea at the time, but the burn was horrendous and the effects were not as great as when I had vaporized it. That was also a waste, and I will insufflate 5-MeO-DMT again.
 
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morninggloryseed said:
The only thing that I would probably do differently is give lower dosages of 2C-T-7 to the five I shared it with because it was their first time, and that chemical has a very well-established record for being erratic in dosage. I never gave anyone more than 30mg their first time, but for many 30mg would be much too much. Some have strong reactions with just 10mg.


Hold-up! 30mg on their first times?

In alternative, newsgroup-like settings, certain posters would have rained down on a certain 2C-T-7 obsessed, spellman-like poster, had they given 30mg to friends. Although - I may be lying if I said that 15mg wasn't all I ever offered, purely because my friends would probably describe the experience as 'all fucked-up'.

Things would have been a lot easier for me if I hadn't of fitted the phenethylamine hard-head category. If 30 or 50mg oral T7 had any effects other than a mild hangover the following day, I'd have made what little I had last a helluva lot longer.


I've been lucky. I recommend that nobody ever give another individual psychedelic chemicals. Indeed I recommend that no one should ever take any drugs.


In all seriousness, people should take some time to consider whether or not they should be sharing untested MDMA with friends. Whilst I firmly believe in an individuals right to firmly screw with their own lives, it's a whole new set of rules when they hand over anything without having validated its content in some way.

- a little off topic perhaps, sorry.
 
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SpellmanT7 said:
Hold-up! 30mg on their first times?

In alternative, newsgroup-like settings, certain posters would have rained down on a certain 2C-T-7 obsessed, spellman-like poster, had they given 30mg to friends.

Yeah as I said, although I never had any "train wreck" trips occur, I would have given lower dosages to those I shared T7 with on their first occasions. 20 mg or so was what I usually gave to a first timer, but I did give one friend 30 mg. Thankfully, everyone always had the loveliest time.

I will however mention this was way back in 2000, before a lot of the horror stories about 2C-T-7 started surfacing and not as many folks had written about it, so I really didn't realize how erratic it was. All I had to go by was perhaps a dozen reports at erowid, and what is in PIHKAL.

Now-a-days, I don't think I would ever share 2C-T-7 with another person at any dosage simply because of all the adverse effects it has caused for some people. I think I will have to share it with my g/friend though because I find the drug just fantastic for bonding...as good if not better than MDMA. And it's my favorite psychedelic. I want to share an experience so lovely with someone else. But I won't give her more than 10 mg her first time.

SpellmanT7 said:
Things would have been a lot easier for me if I hadn't of fitted the phenethylamine hard-head category. If 30 or 50mg oral T7 had any effects other than a mild hangover the following day, I'd have made what little I had last a helluva lot longer.

That sucks. 30mg is plenty for full effects, and 50mg is so strong I can no longer see anything beyond colors and fractals. I love 2C-T-7 so much. It has given me the kind of trips I wish every human being on Earth could experience just once. Such a beautiful material (for me.)

Sorry mikhail, your post got hijacked. Ok, back to 5-MeO-AMT. Too bad I've refused to take it, or I could contribute something on-topic in this thread. :)
 
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Just tried this chemical for the first time a few days ago... I never even heard of it, i was at a club with a friend and he pulled out pill and said you gota try these new "foxies" like taking x and k.. I was reluctant but i had a few drinks and down the hatch it went. Now mind you i haven't taken any thing with this drugs properties since shrooms maybe a year ago, i did lsd once and had such a bad trip... Well 15 min after ingesting i could smell "everything" 15 min after that it hit me like a ton of bricks, i told my friend he was in big trouble because it felt like i had ingested 5 hits of lsd. I peaked for about 5 hours of straight dreaming, i can not remember much but what i can, was thinking of calling an ambulance lol. I let it ride out though, as i looked at my hands the flesh was ripping off the bones, the walls and floor were coming at me from all directions... Time and objects, people etc were actually moving forward then backward in time like someone put the vcr on rewind.. The sky was lighting up then sucking back in to black. Vivid colors and trails. effects lasted well over 12 hours... As i was trying to sleep later on my whole body was getting very tight and then would convulse like i was fighting something, the next day i still felt fuzzy. If i was ready for it, it might have been somewhat fun... I could not control or master it or seem to bring myself out of a dream for hours. Turns out the pill was dosed around 30mg, plus i was drinking before hand.... So be careful, i could just imagine someone who never tripped and took a high dose not expecting it.. Straight to the looney bin.
 
I'm sure one of the moderators are going to chime in here, but since this was put as a reply to my post, I'll go ahead for now...

1) How did your "friend" know what he was selling was 5-MeO-AMT?

2) How did he know the pill contained 30mg?

3) How did you find out the dose was 30mg?

Based on my experience with 5-MeO-AMT specifically, I'd venture to say you had something else. 30mg is a MONSTER dose of this compound. I'm a big guy and have slowly worked my way up to 10mg, and I'm hesitant to go any higher than that...even 10mg in itself for a 285lb man is a large dose.

I guess this is just another lesson to know yourself, know your chemicals and just as importantanly, know your supplier.
 
Ill will be the first to admit that i was very stupid, live and learn i guess. After my wild trip i asked him all the details, It was 5-meo and 30 mg because he got the powder direct and prepared the pill. He told me that he droped the dose down to 10mg due to people having such harsh reactions but gave me one of the leftover 30mg by mistake. Maybe i just react diffrent to the compound? The visuals and "snow flake" patterns were very close to lsd.
 
Another good question to ask is how he knew he had 30mg, or even 10mg in each pill. Nothing against you at all, but milligram scales are quite expensive and your buddy probably just eyeballed it.

You should yell at your "friend" and tell him to stop screwing around with chemicals he knows nothing about, and to take responsibility for the people he's giving or selling the stuff too. 5-MeO-AMT, like any research chem, is no joke.

I've done it 5 times, and the stuff still scares the shit out of me. I won't be doing it again.
 
OHH we had a long talk after that night. He has the right equipment he is just a jackass. He can tolerate 30-60mg with no problem and drop 3 x at the same time. I dont think he realises other people are diffrent.
 
If he's taking 60mg of something, I'd venture to say it's AMT or something else, and not 5-MeO-AMT. This stuff is active at less than 5mg.

Are you sure YOU don't have it confused with something else? I had an 18+ hour fully involved trip with visuals and everything on 7.5mg, and I'm normally a drug "hardhead".

Something just doesn't fit here.
 
Yes im sure, foxy methoxy, he said hes having a hard time ordering it due to regulations now. He claims that you dont get visuals if you drop it with x it just enhances the effect, im not trying it though...
 
Foxy Methoxy is 5-MeO-DiPT (5-methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine), not 5-MeO-AMT (5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine).

If he's "...having a hard time ordering it due to regulations...", that's because it's now a Schedule 1 Controlled Substance placed on the list by the DEA last April.

Still sure you had 5-MeO-AMT?

The 30mg dosages you were describing are more in line with a strong 5-MeO-DiPT amount than 5-MeO-AMT.
 
SOunds like your probably right then.... Thanks for clearing that up then, all i know was that my trip was alot stronger then lsd or shrooms and quite scary at times.. I really could have gone to the hospital at certain points.
 
I've taken up to 20mg of 5-MeO-AMT with no problem. No, problem that is, except for a trip that wouldn't end.

Fairly boring stuff.
 
First off, Mikhail, how long did you wait between experiences? I've noticed a very strong tolerance with 5-MeO-AMT in my usage. The first time I had it, I used it at the same dosage 3 days later with about 1/3 of the effect. Two weeks later, the tolerance was still noticeable with the effect cut by about 1/4. After waiting three weeks, it seems that my tolerance goes completely back to normal and I take a 5-MeO-AMT excursion about once every 2.5-3 weeks now, at a dose of 15-24mg, depending on my mood. I like it intense.

Now as for dose, I won't venture and say that high doses are safe, because they aren't. But in my experience, when I confused 5-MeO-AMT with my AMT (same company, same color vial, and I was already intoxicated on a moderately visual dose of AMT and wasn't even going to bother reading the label), and took 60mg of it, it completely killed the AMT and took over, bringing about a trip about the intensity of DMT and a heartbeat of 167BPM average... I wouldn't recommend it.

Comfortable doses for me seem to range from 15mg up to 35mg and I only weigh 125lbs. Some people have different sensitivities to the compound. And I know that what I have is pure and potent, because I gave 5mg to a friend of mine and she tripped harder than I was at 20mg!



And MGS, they would have an extremely hard time trying to do an analog prosecution on 5-MeO-AMT. 5-MeO-AMT is no similar to AMT than 5-MeO-DMT is to DMT. If I remember correctly, the 5-MeO-AMT molecule is actually arranged differently than the AMT molecule. Yes, it has the make-up of AMT contained in it, but arranged differently. This was the explanation I was given for the alpha,O-Dimethylserotonin name for it. But by all means, correct me if I am wrong.
 
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