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5/6 apb - Tolerance/Cross Tolerence

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Hi everybody,
I am new to these forums, very first post, not sure if I'm in the right place for this topic but I'll proceed as if I am.

I was just wondering have any of you guys experienced huge tolerance to 5 or 6-apb and is cross-tolerance a possibility?

Reason I am asking is because he recently took some 5-apb, twice, with a gap of around two weeks in between. First time I ingested 140mg. I felt delightfully euphoric and happy, the only downsides being a groggy feeling the next day and the amount you need to take for the price of it. The second time I ingested 160mg and felt barely any effects at all so after 2 1/2 hours he ingested a further 100mg. Some effects felt but nowhere near as good as the first time. It wasn't until methylone was added to the mix (5-apb & Methylone Highly Recommended) that things began to get interesting. Double the euphoria of the first time but twice the hangover, but I have had much worse.

I should note that he had taken methylone a few times between the two 5-apb trips, would this have anything to do with the tolerance? Might be a stupid question but I should also note that currently he needs a very heavy dose upwards of 500mg of methylone to feel any of the effects. Now according to anybody that knows what they are talking about, that is an extremely high dose.

I also wants to ask, I plan on taking some 6-apb tomorrow and am trying to figure out how much he will need to take what with the tolerance and everything. I know that the dose is lower than 5-apb but is thinking possibly 160mg? Anybody care to advise on that matter?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
 
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6-apb does have more noticeable push and euphoria in the come up, so it should be more obvious than the 5-apb. I would have thought there's definitely some cross-tolerance between the apbs and methylone (mainly from dopamine - methylone releases tons of dopamine).

I'd still recommend starting with a lower dose of 6-apb (100-125mg) and seeing if that's enough (you can't un-eat a dose); if it's not enough by 90 minutes chuck in another ~50mg. With clean 6-apb i rarely need more than 125-150mg (usually 125 - and i must have some tolerance by now)

I only did methylone a few times - i found it gave a nice effect for a few hours, but then the next day, unpleasant after effects (felt like a speed comedown) and it just felt a bit 'dirty'; i also found i had moments of dysphoria during the main effect too: Obviously not for me (but everyone's different). I much prefer the apbs personally - much longer main effects, and no real 'comedown' the next day (i feel knackered, but still in a good mood - a mood dip may come later in the week though (as with md) but i only get this when i overdo it really (like doing it over a couple of nights))
 
i would reconsider taking anything in such a short interval.

first of all, youve taken what is usually considered a medium-large dose of 5apb and barely felt anything. secondly you took methylone a "few" times during a 2 week interval. the fact that you got some response is surprising enough really, as the tolerance with this is quite fast to build up. the fact that last time you took 5apb with a high dose of methylone to get somewhere and had a bad day afterwards is natures way of telling you to slow down.

im surprized things havent lost their magic already.

personally i would wait a couple of weeks at least before trying out any of the apbs or methylone again. if you dont you risk spoiling a potentially great time on 6apb, or risk taking a very high dose (with subsequent aftereffects). starting at 100mg or in that vecinity might only make you want to go higher and redose for lack of proper effects.
 
Thanks guys, I have to decided to take a break for two or three weeks before I take the 6-apb just to allow my tolerance to drop, really want it to be a good experience. Won't be doing any more methylone either.
 
Actually, can anybody recommend what to pre-load with before taking the 6-apb to get the most out of the experience? 5-htp is an obvious one, anything else?
 
preloading with 5htp isnt proven to affect antyhing, at least not for the majority of people. some say it works, but most consider it a waste of resources. personally i keep the 5htp for post-trip recoveries, or to help with sleep (it has a low sedative effect on me for some reason).

any other combinations (like -racetam type substances) are not yet tried enough to make any conclusions, because of the novelty of the compounds.

also, try to think of it another way. it might be better to go with low expectations, low tolerance, open mind, healthy body, and just enjoy a pure ride that a particular chem can offer, and only after you have at least a bit of experience try to enhance it. it might be just right simply the way it is.

my advice would be to stay off all drugs in these following weeks, eat healthy, concentrate on other thins, and when the time comes, be rested, well fed, in a good mood and proper setting to give yourself the best chances of success :)
 
piracetam and/or aniracetam (greatest boost of anything I've tried, admittedly never had 5/6apb, but it works for mdma/amt/methylone so..)

and I would definitely wait a month like you said or two, even though with piracetam you'd probably feel the euphoria pretty strong even after a week of waiting. Just from personal experience, I have to say that you don't want to overdo it any further(you're lucky, imo, that you don't feel tired and sick already from all that methylone). Off topic, but it leads to my next point: the magic never faded from methylone @ 150mg, but it gave a false sense that I wasn't overdoing it when, in fact, I certainly was(150mg every couple of days for 2 weeks).

fish oil, na-rala, acetyl-l-carnitine(+ the arginate form), b vitamin complex, and aniracetam really seemed to help me recover, so I can only assume they would also help you regain the magic.
 
Wasn't it 5-APB that's the more potent of the two? I thought it was....

And wow, such a large tolerance with 2 weeks between doses...! I didn't think that was supposed to happen... Had you been messing with any other stimulants or empathogens?
 
Yeah I took methylone on three occasions between the 5-apb doses which I suspect has a lot to do with the tolerance. My tolerance to substances has always risen extremely fast, quite annoying really. That is any substance I take from benzo's to Cathinones, everything.

Are piracetam and aniracetam prescription only drugs? I'm in Ireland, trying to figure out how to get my hands on some.
 
I would be extremely surprised if there was no tolerance or cross tolerance.
 
What can I say to my gp to get my hands on some piracetam or aniracetam if anything? i don't trust online prescription med vendors at all.
 
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What can I say to my gp to get my hands on some piracetam or aniracetam if anything? i don't trust online prescription med vendors at all.
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You don't need a prescription. You can buy it on a number of nutritional supplement websites. It's not illegal and it's not really a drug either. It's good stuff though.
 
that kinda depends on the country where you are in. in some places, -racetam type drugs are prescription only, even if they are in the nootropic cathegory. you should check the local law and be sure, especially when ordering anything from across borders.
 
You don't need a prescription. You can buy it on a number of nutritional supplement websites. It's not illegal and it's not really a drug either. It's good stuff though.
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Are we allowed post nutritional supplement websites on here?
 
FFS - piracetam is sold on lots and lots of reputable nutritional supplement sites. If you can't find it, how on earth did you find sources for 5/6-APB?

You say your tolerance always rises quickly - are you getting enough magnesium in your diet? How's your diet in general? Tolerance rises more slowly if you are healthy in general.
 
also, two 5-apb & 3 methylone experiences in a two week period is too much! generally is ill advised to take such things more than once a month or so, and even then longer intervals are preferred. With frequent use desirable effects lessen & negative effects increase. You're really ripping yourself off if you use things that frequently because the dose gets so high vs. w/o tolerance, not to mention your poor brain ;)

And generally speaking all drugs with similar action have cross tolerance, from heroin, morphine, hydro/oxycodone etc; to LSD, 2c-x, 4-subbed tryptamines, mescaline, etc; to MDMA, MDA, M1, 5/6-APB.
 
I have taken a fair amount of 5 & 6-apb over the last 9 months or so. To get full effects, you need to space your trips a minimum 2 weeks apart, but the longer the better IME.

150mg 6-apb has me quite nicely fucked with very little hangover the next day. I could probably do this once a week, but I don't. I much prefer 150mg + 100mg 3 hours later. This has me munted and barely functional for a long time! Highly enjoyable and very good with music in a club. Some stomach issues the next day and a good 2-3 day recovery.

125mg 5-apb puts me in a very 'stoned' state. Nice body euphoria for an hour or so, then a very spacey and tripped out headspace. Adding 75mg to this later on prolongs the effect without really raising it, but leaves me un-coordinated and makes speech very difficult. I find 5 & 6 apb are similar, but I do prefer 6-apb. 5-apb is too heavy and not recommended for being sociable.

Cross tolerance is bound to be an issue with such similar compounds.
 
Ya I realise that three Methylone doses and two 5-apb within two weeks is way too much. It has been around two weeks now since anything had been taken, going to give it another couple of weeks I think before I do the 6-apb. Contemplating giving away the Methylone as I do not like the way it makes you crave for it, does have the capacity for addiction and that is the last thing I want! Has anybody else experienced cravings for Methylone? Not good at all. Going to avoid addictive substances from now on me thinks.

I still have to make up my mind about the 6-apb dosage but I reckon 150mg should do the trick. I have taken a 6-apb 100mg pellet before, a few months back, it was ok, quite nice but not as strong as I would like. I am a 6' 2" and 14 st 7 lb male so I have always needed slightly larger doses of everything.

And ya I get magnesium in my diet and yes my diet is good, well balanced, plenty of oily fish and green veggies and all that.
 
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