(4HO-MET/psilocin-analogs) Dosing Question for small girl.

[Achten]

Hi,

I'm a 26yr old male, fairly experienced with several phen's and tryp's. I also introduced several male friends to organic mushrooms and synthetic psychedelics, with only good effects as a result.
Now I want to introduce a female friend and I heard girls need a relatively smaller dose than guys, even when their lower weights are taken into consideration.
I want her to have good +++, which in my case would be 18mg + 5mg @ 1u - 1u30 to lengthen if she'd like the feeling.
That's (18mg, that is) roughly 0.23mg/kg bodyweight. Let's say she's 50kg, then this would be 11,5mg. To be on the safe side I'd lower this with 3-4mg (?? this is basically my question:.. Is there any "algortim" or sth to calculate this ?). I'd then have to give her sth like 7-8mg ? This seems very low ? On the other hand, it IS potent stuff, but still. I don't want her to just have a + or weak ++ .
We've prepared this trip for several months (almost a half year), and she is ready. Experience thus far only with mdma and whatever may be in street pills.

Thanks alot, be safe !

 

[Achten]

I have a girlfriend but that is not her. I just like introducing people to entheogens.

edit: thanks. Topping up later is an option, but I find if it's done after T+2h00 there is no intenisying effect, just a lengthening of the plateau and comedown. Very nice, but not ideal for getting to the right dose in 4HO-tryptamines. But that's for me and everybody is different, maybe it'll work on her !

 

[alteredstate8]

0.23mg/kg sounds about right, I don't see a need to lower it further.

 

[Achten]

Thanks for the quick and to the point responses !

 

[growit&smokeit]

I think 10mg or a bit lower is right. I guess her tolerance to tryptamines is zero? I personally am not keen on this chemical and I am sensitive to it. Makes me very edgy

 

[Bone14]

Arh cmon give her 15mg minimum, no reason to underwhelm her and give her a boring and dissapointing trip.

 

[wayab]

0.23mg/kg sounds about right, I don't see a need to lower it further.

ive had a solid ++ from 5mg 4homet and i am almost 100kg
if its her first trip best start low and prepare redoses

 

[alteredstate8]

Erowid:

In 2006, Griffiths et al published research in which subjects were administered .43 mg/kg psilocybin (30 mg per 70kilogram adult) and 61% of participants experienced a "complete" mystical experience..

Rick Strassman's research administering psilocybin to subjects involved both .45 mg/kg and 0.9 mg/kg oral psilocybin. At 0.45 mg/kg the "subjects' experiences were strong, fully psychedelic. They could get out of bed but didn't want to." And at 0.9 mg/kg "they were pretty immobilized, but in touch with [researchers] when [they] needed to make contact." (R. Strassman, personal communication). A .45 mg/kg dose would be around 30 mg for a 150 pound person.

Between .25mg and .30mg/kg seems to be about right for most people to have a +++ experience. seeing as it is her first trip you could adjust it accordingly somewhere in between.

 

[any major dude]

4-HO-MET does not seem as likely as psilocin or psilacetin to induce mystical type experiences, in my experience & the experience of a number of others anyway. That being said, 15-18mg is usually plenty metocin for a first timer, IME anyway. YMMV as always.

 

[Zilpe]

I was under the impression that weight wasn't really a factor in the strength of a trip for most psychedelics. Seems to me that dosages required by each person vary quite significantly with little correlation to body mass. Your best bet is to start small, I'd go with 10mg or so to start. In all likelihood that won't be a strong trip for her but you can work your way up from there.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

I guess if she's nervous a good start point would be 5mg. I've found anything less than 5mg brings only nausea & pre-trip restlessness that takes awhile to pass. It's an excellent way to introduce a person to the physical sensations of tripping, but for a bit of visual distortion, she's gonna need at least 10mg, I'd say.

So, if she's confident, & in the right mood go straight in at 10mg. If it's good & she's enjoying it sadly it won't be long before you have to top up (at 5mg an hour, I'd say). If it's uncomfrotable for her, 10mg won't last long. Keep a mild sleeping tablet handy just in case, & tell her OJ will ease her trip. We know it's not true, but a bit of Placebo for a first timer is harmless enough. I'd be stunned if she had a bad one on these small doses though.

 

[phactor]

Arh cmon give her 15mg minimum, no reason to underwhelm her and give her a boring and dissapointing trip.

You can always take more, you cannot take less. Providing somebody with RCs is sketchy enough, giving them a bad trip from it even worse.

 

[Solipsis]

I was under the impression that weight wasn't really a factor in the strength of a trip for most psychedelics. Seems to me that dosages required by each person vary quite significantly with little correlation to body mass. Your best bet is to start small, I'd go with 10mg or so to start. In all likelihood that won't be a strong trip for her but you can work your way up from there.

Exactly: body mass is not really important like it is with alcohol for example. The number of serotonin receptors in certain parts of your brain seem to me a more probable type of factor between what makes people sensitive or tolerant.

That does not have to do anything with the general idea that it is wise to start low.

 

[Bone14]

You can always take more, you cannot take less. Providing somebody with RCs is sketchy enough, giving them a bad trip from it even worse.

Like 15mg 4-HO-MET is going to give a bad trip. Its the most friendly tryptamine, 10mg is just plain silly and will only give her a threshold effect. And no, you can't always just take more, there is tolerance issues. - Otherwise I would agree.

Give her a fun night, 15mg is going to be just fine.

 

[Solipsis]

And no, you can't always just take more, there is tolerance issues. - Otherwise I would agree.

You take it too literally. Having another opportunity some other time to try a higher dose is also a type of 'you can always take more', right?

But yes agreed 4-HO-MET does feel quite friendly, but it can nevertheless be intense even if there is not the potentially unforgiving nature present as is with mushrooms. Relatively unthreatening compared to the level of intensity that can be reached. 15 mg is quite near a full dose, if she happens to be sensitive to this (and all other tryptamines for example) it could be a little much.

Maybe offer the 15 mg when taken in a relaxed, safe and controlled environment. If set and setting are chosen more 'flexible' then 10 mg is more responsible.

It's like some people would consider it a disaster if their first trip panned out mild. What's so bad about starting safer and lower? I believe it helps to establish trust towards the use of psychedelics and it can give a user 'feel' for by how much they think they can increase the dose next time.
When some other time than the first time turns out to be the first full-on experience, that will probably be remembered as the first true experience anyway.