4-sub combos

[twentysix]

In the coming days I will be acquiring some 4-HO-DET, as well as some 4-AcO-DMT- a compound that I first tried at 29 mg, and really enjoyed it.

I understand the value in testing substances alone- first, and I plan to check for adverse effects with a 1 mg test, first, with the new compound- after my experience with 25D. But, I was lightly considering combining in some form these two at some point.

Anyone have any experience with combining 4-sub tryptamines? advice?

 

[Synaptic Gap]

I had spectacular results with 25i-nbome + 4 aco dmt. 4-fa + 4-aco-dmt was great as well.

 

[twentysix]

I was more thinking about 4 sub combining only. If another is added that's cool, as long as some observation of how the 4s might have worked (or not) together, can be shared.

Like, might adding 4-HO-DET in small amount, rectally (or otherwise) to a higher dose (or what preferred) of oral 4-AcO-DMT, in some timing, have some effect or another- how was it... Is it worth repeating.

I just think, in mushrooms, there are multiple factors (compounds among them) creating the experience. Might I experiment with this family... Playing with amounts. One compound might only be added in tiny amounts, another is dominant. Another, here and there. It'd be interesting to have the knowledge. Not to say I'm trying to make a lab-shroom, but maybe something.

I decided after psilacetin that I wasn't interested in the others. Changed.

Just curious.

A person would need a lot of time, doing it the right way (starting combos low, testing individually).

Edit: Thinking, I know mushrooms (psilo) aren't only 4 sub and whatnot. (And again, not trying to recreate.)

I am also curious about 4 subs combined with other trypts. And, what you mention. But primarily with this, the 4s.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Due to a temporarily screwed up personal life & an "unstraight" head, my research is taking a back seat while I tighten my grip on the real word, but . . .

Ealier in the year I started a mixing 4-subs regime & one comparing the effects of low dose 4-subs to a low dose of mushrooms. I also intended eventually to combine a 4-sub with Doc (should I come across a little more of it).

Anyway, as I said, my research remains incomplete but I found that 4-ho-met & 4-aco-mipt combine really nicely & that small doses (2mg for instance) had only a barely discernable effects & that to "feel" a 4-sub at least 5mg needs to be ingested.

Incidentally, I found that my 4-ho-mipt was stronger but shorter at 5mg than either 4-aco-mipt or 4-ho-met. I have not yet had the pleasure of testing 4-aco-dmt but I have acquired a small sample & plan a run on it sometime in the near future.

Enjoy & be careful!

 

[Synaptic Gap]

I would think that it might be possible in combining two compounds that are so simalir that one would just block out the other. I had this happen when taking MDMA while on 25I. Once the MDMA hit the trip just went away. It was like the MDMA blocked the 25I from getting to the receptors.

All the best combos I have tried involve mixing a phen and a trypt as it gives you the most complete spectrum of effects.

 

[twentysix]

I considered this, but sort of had a reverse image, like combining trypts would be preferable to trypts and phens, as I find them so different. Like I'd be confused. I can see how a very small dose of phen, like you (I think) mentioned with 25I, then psilacetin, might be workable, though.

I may try to combine these trypts, but will definitely just research small additions to begin with. I have to admit I sort of like to trip on one compound at a time, what little experience I have. Hippyflipping was fun though.

 

[daytryptr]

4-ho-met and 4-aco-dmt half and half at 20mg total of the fumarates is very nice. One of my favorites.

You get the easy going highly visual aspects of the met, with the fuller, more balanced affects of the 4-aco-dmt making for a very visual trip thats not lacking in introspection and a bit of mindfuckery, but not as much as you would get with 20mg of 4-aco-dmt alone. They go very well together.

I want to try some 4-ho-mipt, and psilacetin &/or metocin combos in the future. Miprocin is pretty interesting by itself and definitely has potential to synergise well with those two. 5-meo-mipt is another trypt i intend to try mixing with 4-substituted trypts. Its great by itself, but lacking in the visual dept. A bit of a 4-substituted could really make it shine me thinks.

 

[twentysix]

4-HO-MET was one I was curious about adding in, but not quite alone. I don't know. I mean I am interested in it, recreationally- to investigate it, however odd that still sounds. At first, this time around I was kind of wanting to not stray too far from the "pack"... DMT, mainly. The 4-AcO-DMT. And, DPT- but I am waiting to order that until next week. I could get one one thousandth for 130 where a full thousand units of this (130 individual) is only 620. And 250 units was 300. Just over twice the price. Almost did that. But who needs that much DPT? I imagine I may take it once and be blown away... or, admit the possibility.

I plan on acquiring them all (the ones I can) at some point shortly, in small amounts, to sample. It makes me wish I had a timeless bubble, to step inside and not be effected by the normal "time". It could be in my office. I'd step in for 10 hours, get in this thing, experience as much time, re-cycling my body as a benefit of this bubble so that everything's primed when I want it to be how I want it to be, and learn the menu. Haha. Oh, and it'd be a holo-simulation, so I could, yea...

But in some years, I may know about some of these, more. I feel if I take it too quickly, I may hurt myself. I still "plan" to try three before the year is out. Maybe four. Maybe five... ..

Thanks for your experiences. I wonder if some people have the reaction like Synaptic Gap has mentioned, and some are able to do as daytyptr mentions? dietary factors... time of day... individual metabolism... point in cycles

 

[HighonLife]

^^agreed 4 aco dmt with mxe is nice

4 aco dmt with mdma is nice

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

4-ho-mipt + mxe
4-aco-dmt + ketamine/mxe
4-ho-met + 2c-d
4-ho-met + mxe

i just love tryptamines with a dissociative. its such a bliss and smooth ride through space.

Well, far for me to be all pedantic about it but I get the impression OP is referring to combining various Tryptamine psychedelics, not mixing Trypts & Phens or mixing Trypts with anything else . . .

Nonetheless, I see you know your stuff so I take this opportunity to suggest, seeing you clearly have access, to a combination of mxe & 2-cd. This combo is truly fucking out there. They synergise & appear to exacerbate each other, so lower you usual does by half & build up slowly. When mxe first appeared I hoovered up about 70mg over a few hours & by God I was twastered by the middle of the evening, totally wasted. I enjoyed it but never got close to that dose again, & never really wanted to Haha! My gf had a similar trip in summer, but her doses were way low & she combined it with 2-cd, also in usually inactive amounts. YMMV so bear this in mind & go easy. But you will have a giggle, maybe a wee freak-out, but if you like "ear-tripping" as we've come to call it coz of the audio effects, then you'll love this combo!

 

[Achten]

10mg 4HOMET + 10mg 4ACDODMT was very nice, as some else said. Very spiritual.
12mg 4HOMIPT + 5mg 4HOMET was a very fun afternoon.

I absolutely love 4HODET and I would think throwing that in the mix might become a very introspective journey !