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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

4'-methyl-alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone

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alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone

Is anyone familiar with this one? Is it as potent as MDPV, or slightly less so?

There aren't many report of this one, perhaps it is not so interesting as MDPV, or did people get enough of that last one too yet?
 
Ive seen it refferenced in microgram as an adaulterant in x pills. Dont know much beyond that; check wiki...
 
odd, an adulterant? It's not as if it's an accidental add-in or anything. Why not just use a-PPP. It's fully active and euphoric as hell (I prefer over amphetamine now)
 
Ham-milton: What doses of a-PPP have you used? What's a proper oral dose?
 
Someone said about 50 mg, but with previously existing tolerance... I don't know; I don't have personal experience with this one .
 
Man, I would love to try this one--another one of those ultra-rare obscure stimulants, like fencamfamine or 4-MAX. Ham-milton, you make it sound quite alluring, what is the half-life? It seems like this would be a rather pure reuptake inhibitor, like methylphenidate and MDPV, rather than an amphetaminergic substrate. Since I absolutely hated MDPV, maybe I'm not missing much.

These guys need some better names, though. a-PPP and MPPP ring all too familiar to the neurotoxin MPTP/MPPP/MPP+; all these 'P's flying around, maybe we should throw in some (-)-3-PPP, p-MeOPP and pFPP as well.
 
It didn't sound like ham-milton but despite this, I have always been of the opinion that he is rarely less than objective (and generally, more descriptive than 'euphoric as hell') in regards to the substances he is familiar with.
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Saw this in a closed thread on the subject by SpellmanT7. Sorry to let you down ;) I can be childish and immature and silly and dumb, too!! ;)

But anyway, I really don't remember what dose I took. I want to say it was near 100mg, but I just don't remember.

it's one of the few drugs I've ever gotten from an rc vendor, and I only got it as a free sample for doing some work for the vendor.

I found it to be more recreational than amphetamine because it lacked that icky physical "i need to move" sensation, and provided more chattyness and less blood pressure / heart rate problems I have with amphetamine.
 
Ham-milton said:
Saw this in a closed thread on the subject by SpellmanT7. Sorry to let you down ;) I can be childish and immature and silly and dumb, too!! ;)

But anyway, I really don't remember what dose I took. I want to say it was near 100mg, but I just don't remember.

it's one of the few drugs I've ever gotten from an rc vendor, and I only got it as a free sample for doing some work for the vendor.

I found it to be more recreational than amphetamine because it lacked that icky physical "i need to move" sensation, and provided more chattyness and less blood pressure / heart rate problems I have with amphetamine.
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Ah! I actually sidelined a theory that this substance was something of a hidden gem and you'd chosen to refrain from further comment because you were trying to keep a lid on the euphoric bliss that stemmed from alpha-PPP use=D

The problem with you ham, is that I've seen so many of your posts in the advanced drug discussion forums and unfairly 'mentally dressed you in a lab coat and posed your torso in an ultra-professional stance'!

Whatever alpha-PPP may or may not be, the prospect of something with fewer physical side-effects than similar legal substances that are currently (widely) available is appealing.
 
earlier in a thread, some said that it was a cathinone. forgive me for not knowing, but what is a cathinone?
 
A cathinone is a family of organic (carbon and hydrogen containing) chemical compounds whose structure resembles or is loosely "based on" that of cathinone: namely, 2-amino-1-phenylpropan-1-one. To really understand what that means, exactly, you'll need second year college chemistry.

But to get some idea here are two examples of cathinones: (1) khat (an African shrub whose main active ingredient is cathinone) and (2) methylone (MDMCAT or 3,4-methylenedioxymethcathinone). Cathinones are generally not quite as strong as their amphetamine counterparts but are generally substantially similar in both structure and effect.
 
cathinone = beta-ketoamphetamine:
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amphetamine:
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alpha-PPP:
A-PPP.png


As you can see, they are indeed very similar in structure. :)
 
It's not really difficult to explain or figure out what belongs in the cathinone family and what doesn't.

Amphetamines with a beta-oxo group (that a ketone on the first carbon after the benzene ring, or second one from the nitrogen, the latter is preferable language, I think- since the namings (alpha, beta) are based upon relationship to the nitrogen, correct?)
 
Riemann Zeta said:
Don't hype it up too much, it'll become one of those super rare 'urban myths' that I'll never get to try.
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Heh, well, not having had Aminorex yet, I'll just have to say that I found it to be a lot more euphoric than the stimulants I have tried.
 
Ham-milton said:
It's not really difficult to explain or figure out what belongs in the cathinone family and what doesn't.

Amphetamines with a beta-oxo group (that a ketone on the first carbon after the benzene ring, or second one from the nitrogen, the latter is preferable language, I think- since the namings (alpha, beta) are based upon relationship to the nitrogen, correct?)
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Yes that's right. I was merely trying to illustrate this for the layman (not everyone knows what exactly is amphetamine, what is a keto group, what is a benzene ring etc), but mostly because of my fetish with drawings of organic molecules. =D
 
I've tried a-PPP only intravenously, 'cos in a place where i found it, nobody even think about other routes of administration with this particular stuff.

Supplier warned, that if i want to try it, i should do it only IV, 'cos eating or snorting it will not cause any pleasant effects.

It's one of the rare drugs, that proper works only IV, and it not just a needle-maniac statement. It's strange, but true. One more fact - dosage should be 100 mg or more - 150.
Even tiny girls without big stimulant IV experience agreed with that )))) Start from at least 100 mg.

Solvability of a-PPP is beyond all expectations. Don't need to cook at all.

So, i shot up 150 mg and it was unexpectebly strong and overwhelming. Comparable to heavy dose (like 100-120 mg) of meth or 170-180 mg of coke IV.

Pure rush was lasting for 30-40 minutes, and i was lying down deeply breathing and mumbling.

Taste on tongue was also very unusual and i found it quite pleasant. Great euphoria, nice body feeling but powerful tachycardia slightly scared me during first minutes.

After 1 hour or so, peak went off and i was already craving for more. And i repeated 4 or 5 times more with same dose within 5-6 hours.


After last shot i was felling like a peace of wood - no thoughts in head, i wasn't able to take part in conversations, but just listened. Heart bit was very strong and i was sweating like a pig.

After drinking some vodka, i went to sleep without any problems on 6th hour after last injection.

Next day i woke up without strong hangover or stim-breakdown. Head was little bit heavy, but not critical, considering that i took almost a gram.

And that moment i was thinking, that a-PPP is a best stuff to inject if you want some stimulant rush. It's not longlasting and it's not produce significant aftereffects the day after.


But my enthusiasm finished after couple of months of using it 1-2 times a week. I got side effect of enormously increased head pressure after 15 minutes post injection.

Panick attacks and stupidity - that was only things after 15 minutes of rush.
And a-PPP is not a stim for working or creating smth. My friends who like to make music or programming on stims didn't find it helpful at all. It's just for injecting and having strong rush.

Some IV-addicted people, who don't have any problems with blood pressure prefer a-PPP as a recreational drug to reduce craving for amph, meth or coke. Some like it with MDMA in one syringe 'cos after they don't feel themselves like a wooden dumbsters.

I even heard, that some heavy amph users switched to a-PPP 'cos for them this substance wasn't so paranoid and destructive.

But i can't use it anymore. Long-lasting tachycardia and scary blood pressure arise doesn't cost 20-30 minutes of euphoria and rush.
 
What did the a-PPP look like?

Was it a greyish waxy substance like the pics I have seen? I would be pretty scared to shoot that stuff...
 
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