hugo24
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Initial descriptions and reports had its origins in an own thread in ADD:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=261562
Since this is the first full dose trial of this (in fact not so) new compound I thought it was worth posting here,particularly because the compound disproved its bad rumours.So read this as the continuation of the ADD thread:
"The 100mg dose was indeed tried,several weeks later,and in good mood.The first experiment has left no downsides nor revealed possibly dangerous properties which could have prevented further experimenting.
I was then on 750mg/d Aniracetam,particularly because of certain projects requiring my last brain cells ... plus I preloaded with 100mg 5-HTP.Otherwise I was very curious and looking forward to a nice experiment,with a full dose,for the first time.The smell of this compound btw has some magic to it,something like between anis and vanille,smooth and agreeable and particularly bringing back nostalgic memories from my PMMA days...and magic could be found through the eyes of this experienced and sensible researcher, read on!
103mg of the hydrochloride was taken with some water,5 hours after a meal,in the evening-usually I take most drugs with orange juice for obvious reasons,but here I wanted to really taste it and I must say I didn't reject it like MDMA and such horrible things (worst is MBDB IMHO).Baseline values of BP and Pulse were 127/74 86 (pulse signaling some thrill into the experience
5mins later I got a sweat which was probably entirely psychological.Well,I frankly didn't expect this drug to affect me much in the physicals throughout after the initial trial.
T+20min marked clearly the onset of the compound,but it was not the usual push,rather silent,despite the fast getting on-Another 10min later the euphory already developed,though there was some nausea.But there was a stillness developing,it was only me and my (maybe slowed?) breath,like fully concentrated on this single thing.Checking the the values: still normal,123/70 86,so maybe theres time stretching?
T+1h, 119/73 83-is it lowering actually my BP now?The fleeting vasodilatoric effect described in the French paper?I have to be watchful here.Hey,but my body felt very good,no sweat,almost no tingling,just pure exctasy,didn't have it like that for years!And no push like from MDMA for example,but then not much change in the visual field either.Hmm,is this more an antidepressant with a "boost" function built in?I went outside to the balcoon,wow,it rained beautifully and I smelled the rain like never before,stronger AND agreeabler,this must be an olfactory effect from the drug!I enjoyed it very much outside,but interestingly my pupils were normal altough I looked a bit bleak,but I had a smooth and wonderful body high with nothing physically annoying me.I was just enjoying being outside,not an urge to dance which I had often on E.I had the thought here that I could take a higher dose without problems.5mins later (oops,these were just 5minutes,there must indeed be time stretching!),I noted yet a slight tingling.My thinking was still crystal clear,checked this by reading in a book.
T+1.25h, 128/72 86.Noting a "warm stomach",and thinking I discovered what exctasy in fact is,in a dry mathematical formula: anxiety + nausea = exctasy.This might appear a bit eerie now...but I felt fine,maybe a bit blurred vision but the pupils still appeared almost normal sized when I looked in the mirror (I set up a wash machine a bit earlier in the bath room...).
T+1.75h.Sorting my laundry,sweating a bit when doing something is noted.So much is happening in such a short time frame,I'm welcoming this because the effects of this chemical will last rather short.Is there a second part of effects starting now?I seemed to alternate between moving around and a stuporlike state,without the tension.
T+2h, 136/76 85 .Clearly the compound is anorectic.The slightly higher BP couldn't be confirmed a few minutes later, 125/82 82.The effects of the drug are starting to wane here,quite rapid,and I regretted it.
T+2.5h. I feel some tension,not sure if its physically or psychologically,but its only mild,definitively no crash.What was unpleasant is a "hot flood" throughout the body-I just hate the sweats,so nothing worrysome by medical measures.
I repeated a (claimed to be successful) procedure from the last experience when taking here 100mg Tramadol.It only added some nausea initially.
T+3h.This must be already baseline and the Tram starts to come on smoothly,with normal strength.Spent the rest of the evening relaxed on the TV.Sleep was very good that night and the second day my mood was on the happy side which seemed to stay a few days longer!I would say the Tramadol only partially attributed to this,there could be something from the Methedron itself.And 5-HTP never avoided a crash after MDMA,so this can be excluded as well.It surely could have brightened the experience by some degree,as might have Aniracetam-altough chronically administered Racetams usually have not much influence on drug experiences IMHO.
All in all,a successful and wonderful experience for something where the consensus is more on the side of "avoid it like the plague".But I need to say it again,I seem to respond especially good to these PM's,and the nostalgia might have painted it to some degree as well,even though there were some marked differences in comparison to PMMA.Its like what Methylone is to MDMA-a more introspective and calm,meditative cousine!"
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=261562
Since this is the first full dose trial of this (in fact not so) new compound I thought it was worth posting here,particularly because the compound disproved its bad rumours.So read this as the continuation of the ADD thread:
"The 100mg dose was indeed tried,several weeks later,and in good mood.The first experiment has left no downsides nor revealed possibly dangerous properties which could have prevented further experimenting.
I was then on 750mg/d Aniracetam,particularly because of certain projects requiring my last brain cells ... plus I preloaded with 100mg 5-HTP.Otherwise I was very curious and looking forward to a nice experiment,with a full dose,for the first time.The smell of this compound btw has some magic to it,something like between anis and vanille,smooth and agreeable and particularly bringing back nostalgic memories from my PMMA days...and magic could be found through the eyes of this experienced and sensible researcher, read on!
103mg of the hydrochloride was taken with some water,5 hours after a meal,in the evening-usually I take most drugs with orange juice for obvious reasons,but here I wanted to really taste it and I must say I didn't reject it like MDMA and such horrible things (worst is MBDB IMHO).Baseline values of BP and Pulse were 127/74 86 (pulse signaling some thrill into the experience
5mins later I got a sweat which was probably entirely psychological.Well,I frankly didn't expect this drug to affect me much in the physicals throughout after the initial trial.T+20min marked clearly the onset of the compound,but it was not the usual push,rather silent,despite the fast getting on-Another 10min later the euphory already developed,though there was some nausea.But there was a stillness developing,it was only me and my (maybe slowed?) breath,like fully concentrated on this single thing.Checking the the values: still normal,123/70 86,so maybe theres time stretching?
T+1h, 119/73 83-is it lowering actually my BP now?The fleeting vasodilatoric effect described in the French paper?I have to be watchful here.Hey,but my body felt very good,no sweat,almost no tingling,just pure exctasy,didn't have it like that for years!And no push like from MDMA for example,but then not much change in the visual field either.Hmm,is this more an antidepressant with a "boost" function built in?I went outside to the balcoon,wow,it rained beautifully and I smelled the rain like never before,stronger AND agreeabler,this must be an olfactory effect from the drug!I enjoyed it very much outside,but interestingly my pupils were normal altough I looked a bit bleak,but I had a smooth and wonderful body high with nothing physically annoying me.I was just enjoying being outside,not an urge to dance which I had often on E.I had the thought here that I could take a higher dose without problems.5mins later (oops,these were just 5minutes,there must indeed be time stretching!),I noted yet a slight tingling.My thinking was still crystal clear,checked this by reading in a book.
T+1.25h, 128/72 86.Noting a "warm stomach",and thinking I discovered what exctasy in fact is,in a dry mathematical formula: anxiety + nausea = exctasy.This might appear a bit eerie now...but I felt fine,maybe a bit blurred vision but the pupils still appeared almost normal sized when I looked in the mirror (I set up a wash machine a bit earlier in the bath room...).
T+1.75h.Sorting my laundry,sweating a bit when doing something is noted.So much is happening in such a short time frame,I'm welcoming this because the effects of this chemical will last rather short.Is there a second part of effects starting now?I seemed to alternate between moving around and a stuporlike state,without the tension.
T+2h, 136/76 85 .Clearly the compound is anorectic.The slightly higher BP couldn't be confirmed a few minutes later, 125/82 82.The effects of the drug are starting to wane here,quite rapid,and I regretted it.
T+2.5h. I feel some tension,not sure if its physically or psychologically,but its only mild,definitively no crash.What was unpleasant is a "hot flood" throughout the body-I just hate the sweats,so nothing worrysome by medical measures.
I repeated a (claimed to be successful) procedure from the last experience when taking here 100mg Tramadol.It only added some nausea initially.
T+3h.This must be already baseline and the Tram starts to come on smoothly,with normal strength.Spent the rest of the evening relaxed on the TV.Sleep was very good that night and the second day my mood was on the happy side which seemed to stay a few days longer!I would say the Tramadol only partially attributed to this,there could be something from the Methedron itself.And 5-HTP never avoided a crash after MDMA,so this can be excluded as well.It surely could have brightened the experience by some degree,as might have Aniracetam-altough chronically administered Racetams usually have not much influence on drug experiences IMHO.
All in all,a successful and wonderful experience for something where the consensus is more on the side of "avoid it like the plague".But I need to say it again,I seem to respond especially good to these PM's,and the nostalgia might have painted it to some degree as well,even though there were some marked differences in comparison to PMMA.Its like what Methylone is to MDMA-a more introspective and calm,meditative cousine!"
