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4-HO-MIPT - Building awareness of my PTSD

3jane

Ex-Bluelighter
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Its been about a month since this trip, so I'll recount the details as best as I can recall. It affected me deeply.

I went over to my boyfriend's apartment. I say boyfriend, but he was sleeping with other women and didn't want a commitment with me. I enjoyed being with him and was holding out hope that we would get more serious. His roommate was out for the night, a rare occasion, so we had the place to ourselves to do as we pleased. At this stage in our relationship, we pretty much always got high in some form or another whenever we hung out. We had been experimenting with various RC's for a few months- he was pretty fearless, I was game, but much more apprehensive than him (I've had plenty of unpleasant drug experiences in my life, and I don't care to repeat the same mistakes if I can help it)

Anyway, we started off with some 5-MAPB, insufflated. I honestly don't remember how much I did, as using it had become so regular at the time, I just kind of did it without much thought. If I had to guess, I would say about 50 mg or so. We were just chilling on the couch, and suddenly, I had an urge to smoke weed, which is extremely odd for me- weed consistently makes me anxious as hell, and I avoid it like the plague these days…but in that moment, it seemed like a great idea. I told him that I wanted to take a hit, and how strange it was that I was craving weed without any fear. I took a couple hits, and I felt good- no anxiety. I remarked to him about how surprised I was at my lack of anxiety, and he said "Maybe you're just really comfortable with me." We sat there for a little while doing nothing.

Seeing as how peaceful I was feeling, I decided it was the right time to take a proper dose of 4-HO-MIPT. I'd been too afraid to try an active dose before this- I'd never done more that 9 or 10 mg at a time, which gave me a little extra energy and maybe some mild visuals. I asked him if he would weigh out 15 mg for me. He weighed out 30 mg, dissolved it in vodka, and we each drank half.

I'm not sure how much time passed (30 min?), but the drug began to take effect, and I was getting the most beautiful visuals I have ever seen…rainbows, everywhere, persian carpet patterns, everything looked like liquid. Objects were morphing into 3D shapes, rotating, melting into themselves. I was amazed, and telling him about what I was seeing. He said he wasn't really tripping, and he seemed somewhat annoyed with me. I was enjoying myself so much that I didn't really care, and after about an hour, I asked him to weigh out another 15 mg for me. I'd smoked a few more hits of weed during this time. I drank the next dose and let the drug take effect. The visuals were getting more intense and beautiful. I was having a grand ole time. At one point, we went went outside for a smoke. Everything looked so cool! I looked at a tree, and the leaves looked like giant butterflies. I told him what I saw, and he said "Uh, yeah…I guess I can see how it would look like that." He was stone cold sober.

So, I can't remember exactly when this part started, but we were on the couch, and he started groping me- hands on my breasts, legs, rubbing between my legs. I was tripping really hard and had no interest in sex at all. I didn't respond to his touch. I also didn't tell him to stop because I was afraid it would upset him. I hoped my unresponsiveness would make him stop, but it didn't. He kept playing with me, squeezing, rubbing. I felt nothing. I went deeper into my mind, searching for a safe retreat. I looked at him, and his appearance changed. he was wearing a light pink and white striped shirt with a bow tie, and I was transported back to puberty. We were on a date, and he was trying to get me in bed. I was a prude- no fun at all. My brain was mocking me. He kept at it, and I just sat there. I said nothing, I did nothing. I had no voice. Again, I retreated into my mind.

I was transported to a beautiful, peaceful place. I was surrounded by people and love. We were all joined in consciousness, and staring at the divine. It was a huge structure, morphing into different shapes, different forms. We were in awe of its beauty and power. The people there were hugging me and crying for me. They wept for my sadness. They wept because I had never experienced the love that I was feeling from them. We all wept and held each other. I came back to the couch. He appeared to be weeping too, holding me. I know that he was not, but it was much more pleasant for me to believe that he loved me too, in that moment. I consciously created a wall between us, so that I could enjoy my trip without him interfering. It was sort of like lucid dreaming.

At some point, he led me into the bedroom. He immediately stripped off his clothes, and I remember his excited face. I couldn't let him down, but I really didn't want to do anything sexual. I wasn't the least bit interested. He took off my clothes and began having sex with me. I was in and out of reality. I imagine it was like fucking a corpse. When I would come back to reality, in bed, the whole experience was just so sad. He was inside me, trying to get off. I wasn't moving. We were completely disconnected. The room was dark and quiet. I didn't know how to handle the situation, so I just let it happen.

At some point, I asked him for some etizolam so I could sleep. 1 mg knocked me right out. The next day, I felt completely refreshed. I focused on the beautiful parts of the trip, which were absolutely mind-blowing.

It's taken me all this time to reflect on what occurred that night, and come to terms with it. I know that I have sexual trauma in my history, and now I see how I continue to re-traumatize myself. I don't have any resolution right now, but more awareness….more awareness...
 
Very well written report... but you know, you really shouldn't let people push you around like that. :/ Not trying to direct your life or anything, but that "boyfriend" seems like fucking poison.... Especially if you already have a past history of trauma you should get far far FAR away from a guy like that and never look back. Hell, I would've kicked him in the nuts, punched him a few times in the face, and walked out while stealing his drugs if he had tried to do any of that to me. What the hell is he going to do about? "Yeah, I'd like to report an assault and theft, this crazy girl beat me up and stole my illegal drugs while I was trying to rape her...." Don't see that going over very well. And that's exactly what it is you know... I mean I know you know... but you can pretend the love is there all you want, but it doesn't make it not rape. By a guy who doesn't even want to be with you enough to not sleep with other women, but still tries to pull you in with bullshit lines like about your anxiety.... God I'm getting all aggravated just thinking about it!! :X Unfortunately some of my best friends in the world have had some pretty traumatizing sexual encounters similar to this as well, so I don't mean to throw all this emotion at you either, but this is touching close to home for me....

...Anyway... the actual psychedelic effects you experienced sounded fantastic. You're lucky to get such effects from 4-HO-MiPT, I would really like to some day. Everyone told me going in that 4-HO-MiPT was probably going to be one of the most visual drugs I've tried... but after taking it at equipotent doses with every other tryptamine I've ever tasted, I actually found it to be one of the least visual. Different strokes, right? My experiences with it certainly aren't lacking at all, I just find it to be almost like tryptamine MDMA, barely any visual or mental distortion, but lots of love and relaxing energy.... I've never taken it above 30 mg though; maybe 45 mg would be more intense like your experience was! Funny enough, one of the same people who told me that 4-HO-MiPT was one of their favorite drugs also told me that they found 4-HO-MET to be almost worthless, and that for me turned out to be by far the most visual, and also extremely euphoric and therapeutic. Psychedelics are quite interesting, aren't they?
 
I have since left him, and my life has gotten much easier as a result.

That's the thing about sexual trauma. It becomes a repeated pattern. I did not welcome what was happening to me, but in those situations (and I have had many over the years), I become frozen…unable to speak up for myself. And I attract these types of men into my life…I think it's just familiar, and so I naturally gravitate towards them…and them to me. Predators seek out their prey, and they know how to attack. It's a damaging cycle, to say the least. If anyone knows women who were victims of sexual abuse, they will find that these women are usually victims of it many times over throughout their lives. You want to shake them, and say "Stop putting yourself in those situations!" But it just happens that way. It usually takes years of therapy to break the cycle.

Isn't it SO interesting how differently people can react to psychedelics? That guy took 30 mg of 4-HO-MiPT with me and experienced no visuals. A few days later, he took 90 mg and only got mild visuals. He told me he suspected I have an underlying psychotic disorder because my visuals were so strong. Wtf?! I took a hallucinogen, and I hallucinated..that's what's supposed to happen! Anyway, if I were still talking to that sociopath, I would tell him to try 4-HO-MET. But I'm not.
 
Stop blaming yourself. You were raped. Your rapist is to blame.

I hope you heal.
 
Thanks. It helps to put it out there. I hadn't told anyone before this.
 
I'm glad to hear that things have gotten easier for you! Everything you said makes sense... and indeed my friends who have been abused have been there multiple times. It is frustrating to me, but of course not in a sense that I think they're to blame, but just because I can't really wrap my head around the freezing aspect of it. But I'm probably like the polar opposite of the typical victim mindset.... I'm a totally non-confrontational person normally but I've got a lot of cautious and righteous aggression wrapped up in me; if I truly felt threatened sexually by anyone I think they'd be lucky to come out of it with their genitals functional or even in one piece, because I sure would focus all of my energy on making sure they don't. >_>

Wow, mild visuals from 90 mg of 4-HO-MiPT is ridiculous! I have no doubt that even I would be getting major visuals by that point. And ha.... If you have an underlying psychotic disorder than I really need to be careful, because I've gotten stronger hallucinations than this lol. Personally I think most people are just prudes. ;) When I read a high dose trip report and people rave about how hard they were tripping because of their colorful spirals and melting walls, my first thought is generally "What a waste of a trip!" If someone can take a huge dose of something and only get fractals, there's something a lot more repressed about them than anyone who is getting full-on hallucinations, because you should be able to open your mind up to such things even at low doses if you're really willing to. But yeah, the differences are nuts.... I was just reading 4-HO-DET reports this morning and was shocked at how many people describe it as "like psilocybin but without the dark side". For me it was by far the darkest psychedelic I've ever taken! The mind is just a wonderfully fascinating thing....
 
I've got a lot of cautious and righteous aggression wrapped up in me; if I truly felt threatened sexually by anyone I think they'd be lucky to come out of it with their genitals functional or even in one piece, because I sure would focus all of my energy on making sure they don't. >_>
If you could channel some of that energy in my direction, I would really appreciate it! =D I could use some of that. And if experiencing universal consciousness on psychedelics means I have a psychotic disorder, then bring on the crazy!
 
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