4-Ho-MET comedown... Heart palpitations :S

[Kishka]

Hey there,

Sorry for this annoying message. Well 7 hours ago I took 20mg of 4-Ho-MET fumarate, now i'm in the comedown phase but I'm experiencing terrible heart-palpitations right now, almost like fainting. I feel a bit schizophrenic too. I'm wondering if I'm the only one on Bluelight who had palpitations on 4-Ho-MET ?

I read some messages here on the big and dandy 4-Ho-MET thread and I saw some members having heart palpitations on the comedown (Elesah, HofmannBlotter, ect...).

Is there a bad batch of 4-Ho-MET circulating ? I do not recall having this kind of palpitations at my first experience.

I took a xanax pill from now but it's still very annoying since I was very calm and the effects felt very clean during the come-up and peak phase (very beautiful visuals)

Then, I felt kind of tired and my heart started to beat the fuck out of my chest :S

Is it due to a bad batch ? It's kind of weird cause the package come from a very reliable vendor (9.88/10 rating on SoS)

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[twelvesevndi]

#1) You should not put much stock in those SoS ratings. I have received a shit batch of 4-aco-dmt from a 9+ rated vendor and an amazing batch from an 8 rated vendor.
and i've been completely scammed by a 9+ rated vendor....

#2) it looks like you have already answered your own question!

I read some messages here on the big and dandy 4-Ho-MET thread and I saw some members having heart palpitations on the comedown (Elesah, HofmannBlotter, ect...).

so you found your own answer! good job! i can't remember who said it but "we take kindly to autodidacts round these parts"

#3) it seems like there is probably a fair amount of poorly made tryptamines floating around out there. I am also concerned about the potential for unwanted side effects from poorly produced chems. However, I have not seen any evidence that there is anything to worry about. and, in fact, there is some anecdotal evidence that there is no perceivable difference between the effects of very pure and mostly pure tryptamines.
so far i have read nothing about a precursor in the production of tryptamines that would have significant effects at a 0.5 mg dose.

I'm interested in this actually as I'm planning on ordering some, and sketchy come-downs are a No-fucking-No in my book...

oh... stay away from mushrooms then i guess... they aren't guaranteed to give me a nasty comedown (like the 2Cs are) but they have given me a couple of awful comedowns...so there you go.
are you now going to avoid mushrooms because of a couple experiences one man had?

 

[Survived Abortion]

No, it's anxiety. It doesn't take much to be able to tell from your writings on Bluelight that you are a pretty anxious person.

I know a few people have mentioned heart "palpitations" (I assume you are referring to short bursts of tachycardia) after 4-HO-MET, but it's not a majority thing and the fact that most people don't experience this shows that it isn't an effect of the drug but one of your own reaction to it. Anxiety can cause heart "palpitations" whether you are on psychedelics or sober - it's to do with the hormonal mechanism which regulates response to stressful situations.

It may be that 4-HO-MET is a particularly stimulating psychedelic - personally I find other psychedelics equally as stimulating on the adrenal system, although all of the 4-substituted tryptamines tend to elicit this effect to a greater degree than others in my experience (shrooms in particular), at least that's what it feels like.

What you need to do is stop popping xanax to deal with your anxiety and learn to breathe properly. Your body is perfectly capable of dealing with stressful situations on it's own. All you need to do is to come out of that thought world which makes you believe you need to rely on drugs to help you resolve anxiety, and instead become your self.

Your heart isn't going to explode. You're not going to die from 4-HO-MET. So just chillax and breathe steady.

 

[foolsgold]

this one uk legal ?

 

[lexaurin]

No, it's anxiety. It doesn't take much to be able to tell from your writings on Bluelight that you are a pretty anxious person.

I know a few people have mentioned heart "palpitations" (I assume you are referring to short bursts of tachycardia) after 4-HO-MET, but it's not a majority thing and the fact that most people don't experience this shows that it isn't an effect of the drug but one of your own reaction to it. Anxiety can cause heart "palpitations" whether you are on psychedelics or sober - it's to do with the hormonal mechanism which regulates response to stressful situations.

It may be that 4-HO-MET is a particularly stimulating psychedelic - personally I find other psychedelics equally as stimulating on the adrenal system, although all of the 4-substituted tryptamines tend to elicit this effect to a greater degree than others in my experience (shrooms in particular), at least that's what it feels like.

What you need to do is stop popping xanax to deal with your anxiety and learn to breathe properly. Your body is perfectly capable of dealing with stressful situations on it's own. All you need to do is to come out of that thought world which makes you believe you need to rely on drugs to help you resolve anxiety, and instead become your self.

Your heart isn't going to explode. You're not going to die from 4-HO-MET. So just chillax and breathe steady.

+1000
I don t understand you really. You take huge amounts of alprazolam in combination with psychedelics, which for most people would dull the trip , but you have anxiety problems many times. What does that tell you?
It s time to take a long break from all drugs, especially from psychedelics and deal with your problems sober.
You could try meditation or CBT.
Or you continue with your Irresponsible use of drugs which will only worsen your anxiety.
I hope you know, that daily high dose benzo use is the highway to hell in the longterm.
I have a friend who was addicted to alprazolam for years. He is now tapering down with horrible rebound symptoms.
He said he wouldn t wish his worst enemy the pain he is going through.

 

[freaktech]

Seems more likely to occur the bad comedowns on metocin than other triptamines, this trip report from erowid shows almost the same feelings on comedown:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=92502

palpitations and fainting...

 

[Kishka]

Guys... I told you that I was very fine during the come-up and the peak phase.. I don't know why I would have these palpitations (which are not the same palpitations I've got from my real anxiety).

Also, they are at least 9 members on Bluelight, 4 on Shroomery who reported bad comedown with this substance.

Also, for the Alprazolam, I can't quit it like it... I'm prescribed Alprazolam by the doctor since I'm young. If I quit, I will die from withdrawal symptoms.

 

[TheAppleCore]

My doctor tried to prescribe me alprazolam as well, before he even mentioned a therapist. I had to specifically request that he recommend a therapist. I actually found it rather insulting that he was seemingly cavalier about throwing me into one of the worst imaginable addictions. Here, just take these pills and shut up. I am now dealing with my anxiety effectively without dangerous pharmaceuticals.

Moral of the story being, you should critically evaluate whether or not you really need to take alprazolam, because these doctors are really full of shit. (I would only recommend it to someone who experiences anxiety to the point of being literally incapable of functioning at school or work, or other important areas of life.)

 

[Limitbreaker]

I wish we had some of such doctors here in Poland then. We can do an exchange if you want I wish I didn't have to buy benzos on black market that I use as expedients.

Also, as for 4homet comedown, I'm sorry if you had bad experience with it. For me and many others it is very, very benign substance, hard to get a bad trip on, beautiful afterglow, no sleep problems etc. Normally i'd say you have shite batch, but then, I recall I know a couple of people who had bad experience with 4homet. For some reason. Not heart palpitations, though...

 

[SONN]

Kishka I can totally relate to exactly what you were experiencing. Randomly my heart started beating really loud and fast and my mind was racing and I was having these delusions of grandeur accompanied by the general feeling tha something bad was about to happen.

I got a slightly similar but way less bad comedown from 4-aco-DMT months before that experience too.

I haven't really taken a tryptamine that hasn't given me a tough comedown since (besides smoking DMT/plugging 5-meo-DMT), but I also haven't taken a tryptamine in a long time. Next time I take one I'll PM you to let you know if I get the same comedown symptoms.

 

[freaktech]

Kishka I can totally relate to exactly what you were experiencing. Randomly my heart started beating really loud and fast and my mind was racing and I was having these delusions of grandeur accompanied by the general feeling tha something bad was about to happen.

I got a slightly similar but way less bad comedown from 4-aco-DMT months before that experience too.

I haven't really taken a tryptamine that hasn't given me a tough comedown since (besides smoking DMT/plugging 5-meo-DMT), but I also haven't taken a tryptamine in a long time. Next time I take one I'll PM you to let you know if I get the same comedown symptoms.

Do you get the bad comedown with mushrooms, for example? I didin't tried metocin yet, but I never found psychedelics to have bad comedown (that includes a low dose of 4-aco-dmt), almost the opposite, but shrooms specially can have a very bad come up for me. 2C-B is a little rough on come up too (less than shrooms).

 

[Survived Abortion]

I don't know why I would have these palpitations (which are not the same palpitations I've got from my real anxiety).

So you're on alprazolam, daily, for years, and you still get anxiety-induced palpitations. Don't you think your body is screaming to tell you something? Obviously if you are still feeling anxiety then the alprazolam is not helping you, and is in fact making things worse the longer you stay on it.

Also, for the Alprazolam, I can't quit it like it... I'm prescribed Alprazolam by the doctor since I'm young. If I quit, I will die from withdrawal symptoms.

No you will not die. There are always options. Many people - including myself - have come off of benzos cold-turkey and have survived just fine. However, I am not ignorant enough to purport that this is the only way, because I am well aware that in some rare cases people have suffered fatal seizures from coming off of high-dose short-acting benzo habits. Therefore, I suggest you ask your doctor to put you on a reduction plan involving a longer acting benzo. You can do this, and you can do it whilst surviving too %)

If your doctor is not willing to do this because he is one of those idiots who tells you that you should stay on your medication, then you need to seek help elsewhere. The important thing is that you switch to a long acting benzo for about a month or two, and then you can cold-turkey off that. Go to your nearest drug addiction social service if need be - here in the UK we have Addaction and others. They are there to support you when you want to be free of drug dependency, and they can help you with things such as getting doctors to switch you on to a taper program etc.

But if you are not willing to do this, who are you gonna blame when the shit really hits the fan? One thing's for certain, the dependence - and the pain you will have to go through in withdrawal - will only get worse the longer you stay on them. The sensible solution is to come off them as soon as possible.

But I know this is like talking to a brick wall, because I was once like it too, never wanting to listen and face up to reality. I always thought I could hide in benzo land and ride it out till death, but it just is not like this (and this is no way to live). I am not trying to lecture you for any other reason than I feel empathy for you, because I have been through it all myself.

I hope you know, that daily high dose benzo use is the highway to hell in the longterm.

Quoted for truth.

Seriously Kishka, get off the alprazolam. (If you want to be a happy human being). It really is your greatest problem at the moment, even though you may not know it. No, it's not going to be easy, it's going to be bloody hard work, but it WILL eventually end and you WILL be a stronger and more contented person for it. I promise you this with all my being.

 

[pr0d1gy]

I think it is pretty fucking ignorant how people are roasting the OP for benzodiazapine use. The OP clearly understands the risks of long term benzo use. If the OP is prescribed benzos then it isn't the place of anyone on this forum to second guess the doctor who prescribed them. It is entirely possible the OP has problems that legitimately require this sort of drug.

Additionally, no one can say with any certainty that the cardiovascular effects were a result of anxiety.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Woah man be careful saying that, people DO die from benzo withdrawals. That being said, you have a point with the taper plan. I did it and it was tough going but well worth it. I also agree, Kishka you do need to re-evaluate how you deal with stress.

Did you miss the next sentence where I clearly stated that I am well aware that people have (in rare cases) died from coming off of high doses of short-acting benzos? And that therefore he should go to the doctor for a taper plan?

I wondered when someone was gonna pick me up on that very sentence.

I think it is pretty fucking ignorant how people are roasting the OP for benzodiazapine use. The OP clearly understands the risks of long term benzo use. If the OP is prescribed benzos then it isn't the place of anyone on this forum to second guess the doctor who prescribed them. It is entirely possible the OP has problems that legitimately require this sort of drug.

Additionally, no one can say with any certainty that the cardiovascular effects were a result of anxiety.

Nobody's roasting anybody. I'm providing a perspective on the situation which may easily have been overlooked by the OP due to the classic effects of benzo addiction (such as denial and the inability to see where your emotional problems are coming from). I should know, I have been through the hell of a 10 year high-dose benzo addiction and cold-turkey withdrawal. So I kinda know what I'm talking about here, if you don't mind.

Also, just because a doctor is prescribing you drugs, doesn't in any way, shape, or form, indicate that such usage is safe. Please understand this.