Early 30's female, 78kg (The diet is working!)
Moderate psychedelic experience. Most recently dosed MAL.
Yesterday I had an opportunity to sample some 4-HO-MET. I was looking for a relatively short trip, then got a delivery of 4-FA in the afternoon and decided to experiment a little.
Initial dose: 15mg insufflated. The short duration made me curious about redosing, and I just received a sample of 4-AcO-MET so I wasn't concerned about wasting it.
Redose: 25mg insufflated. End result, a trip experience lasting from 12:20 pm to 2:00 am. Much longer than expected. Not sure if I would repeat.
- Pre-trip -
I got up at 6:30am to work from 7:30 to 12:00 pm. (I work from a home office.)
I dosed 10mg 2-FMA orally. I was working until noon that day.
At 10:00 am, dosed ~3mg 2-FMA intranasally as a booster. I didn't want an abrupt crash influencing my 4-HO-MET experience as well, and otherwise wanted to keep it simple.
At 12:00pm, I finished my day and got a little food and measured out 15mg 4-HO-MET on a mirror in a line and prepped my nose with saline solution.
- Initial dose -
12:20pm: Insufflated the line and turned on SNL's 40th anniversary special. I had planned to go to the park nearby, but a heavy thunderstorm put an end to that idea.
I was nervous, so I vaped a bit more than I usually do on my ePen. (2mg/mL, very light custom mix I made.)
12:25: Slight echoing of sounds noted. Mild blurring as well. My skin appeared to be slightly more dusky. (I am pretty pale with a slight olive undertone, it appeared to be a bit moreso.)
12:30: Body begins to feel lighter, starting to notice first onset of mushroom-esque "blurring" visual effects.
12:30: Based on trip reports, I was expecting to be giggly. I was laughing a bit, but it was hard to tell how much of that was the dose and how much was the show. (I was to the Celebrity Jeopardy sketch at this point, if you have seen the special.)
I started to notice I was shivering a bit and change into warmer clothes and get my snuggie.
12:45: Stationary objects seem to be shifting in place. My perception of Pete Davidson and Leslie Jones on the screen was skewed, their heads seemed to be growing and shrinking slightly relative to the size of their bodies. Objects appear to be almost "breathing". I seem to be more aware of the skeletal structure beneath people's faces.
Seems consistent with previous 2-3g mushroom tea doses.
1:00pm: Lying down feels great and relaxing, but I am slightly antsy. I find myself wishing I had a martini to sip on for a while, but we were out of alcohol and I wasn't willing to drive to the store obviously.
1:10: I got an email from a client. Yikes!
I was able to pause and type a response to her, but what would normally take 1-2 minutes took about 5 or 6 because I was second guessing my wordings. Visuals were present and I was coming up rapidly.
I returned to the show.
1:30: A prospect that I had a meeting scheduled with for after the trip called and asked if they could sign up now so they could go to dinner. Damnit.
I stop the show and return to the office. I am still very lucid, but nervous a bit so I use as few words as possible and close the deal. I will finish the paperwork later.
1:45: Concluded the call and returned to the show, definitely tripping at this point.
2:00pm: Laughing a lot.
The show is hysterical and the giggles are setting in too. My partner and sober sitter came out to watch it with me. She said "You're laughing like you've never seen this before and I want to see your reaction!"
2:20pm: I'm going to try magnesium before dosing next time. Definitely some jitteriness, but not nearly as much as my MAL experience last week. I start to want some marijuana to try to calm it, but I only have edibles on hand so I decide not to. No point to if it kicks in on the tail end of the plateau.
2:47: I got to the part where they were remembering lost cast members and crew, and skip it. I cry easily on psychedelics and loved Gilda Radner, John Belushi, Phil Hartman and Andy Kaufman.
I didn't feel tears coming, but I didn't want to risk it.
3:00pm: The show is over. I laughed a lot and feel great. Visuals are starting to reduce, but are definitely still present. It's raining even harder and thunder crashes. I want to go out and dance in the rain, but my partner says she thinks it's a bad idea so I listen to her. My pupils are huge and my hair is a bit messy from laying down and plaything a lot, and I get weirded out by my reflection while tripping so redoing it is out of the question.
I decide to stay inside and turn on Season 34 of SNL.
3:20: Definitely coming down gradually, but I am still in an elated mood. I think I would like a drink again, but visuals are still present and my partner doesn't know how to drive a manual transmission.
No big deal, it would be nice but it's not necessary.
4:00pm: My partner decides she would like a drink too, so she walks to the liquor store down the hill. (~5 minutes away)
4:15: Visuals are nearly gone, I feel nearly back to baseline. She returns and I have half a shot of vodka, and mix a drink of 1 oz Vodka, diet tonic water and lemon. It's nice, I still feel altered and it makes it very pleasant.
- Re-dose Madness -
The mail came with my recent order of 1g 4-FA from a trusted vendor with good reviews from Reddit. While this is bad form, I trusted the compound to be what was advertised because of past experience with him. The sample matched the MSDS and had physical properties consistent with what I was expecting.
I decide to try insufflating 50mg 4-FA. This is my first time, I am hoping for a return of a little visual effects or an extension of the trip a little. I feel like it was too short and want to keep it going.
4:30: Dosed 50mg 4-FA. Very bad burn, I am never doing that again. Yikes! I continue to sip my drink as the next episode comes on.
4:45: I notice I feel pretty euphoric, definitely as strong as molly but it's definitely a "up" state stronger than 2-FA or 2-FMA. Visuals are gone, lingering tripping headspace still present.
5:00pm: I decide to do something a little crazy. After a few searches and seeing conflicting information about redose potential of 4-HO. I am aware this generally does not work for psychedelics, but the 4-HO sample is old and seems a bit degraded so I go for it.
I insufflate 25mg 4-HO-MET.
I get my "oh s*** kit" out, containing anticonvulsants, antipsychotics and eitzolam. My partner knows how to and which to administer for which symptoms.
5:10: Visuals return, and stronger than before. My lab notes: "Visuals return with a vengeance!"
5:30: I am laughing hysterically to the point of tears, the show is great! Very enjoyable!
I look outside and the clouds are starting to break. Sunlight peeks through the clouds and I exclaimed "Holy s***! Outside is beautiful!"
I notice rainbow-colored light refraction around the edges of objects outside. I spend a little time out on the porch watching water drip from the roofs of the apartments nearby and all the people down the hill. It feels intense and significant.
**At this point, my notes start getting less descriptive because I am having a had time putting words to how I felt.**
5:53: Tripping HARD. I come inside. I feel hyper-focused on grooming, brushing my hair as we watch another SNL episode for about 20 minutes. I end up putting my hair in side ponytail so I can lay back and enjoy the show.
6:10pm: I am laughing hysterically to the point of tears.
I note that I seem to be responding more strongly to physical comedy and silly facial expressions. Normally these kinds of things make me smile but not laugh. I tend to laugh harder at things like Weekend Update's political humor.
This seems significant to me enough to write it down. [I wish I could repeat the experiment and have an fMRI or SPECT scan during the peak. I am curious, it seems to me that I am responding to humor in a more childlike fashion.]
6:17: Visuals very strong, some restlessness noted. My legs are cold and arms are not. Getting a blanket helped. Air temperature is about 64 F according to accuweather. There is a draft, it may not be the compound.
6:34: Still laughing a lot. Strong visuals, still pretty lucid. Talking with my partner is easy and she says I am very coherent. I feel like I am still tripping very hard. I would compare it to 5-6g dose of mushroom tea. Dehydration noted from the alcohol and 4-FA. I drink water.
6:48: I feel nervous about how I handled work today. This is common while tripping lately, I have only been managing for a little over a year and second guess my decisions when I trip sometimes.
7:15pm: I start to feel like I am done tripping. Notes say "When can I get off this ride?"
7:25: Still tripping. Visual shifting, rainbow halos around objects. Still intense, but starting to subside a bit.
7:45: Muscle tension noticed, visuals reducing. Still laughing a lot, having a good time but I would like to return to baseline.
8:07: Mild visuals still present. Post-trip jitters are stronger than before, my partner recommends I take some eitzolam.
~ 2/3 mL of 1mg/mL Eitzolam in PG solution taken orally.
8:30: I notice faces are still shifting strangely, but jitters are reduced.
9:00pm: Feeling strange. Confused and disoriented. I report this to my partner who asks what she can do to help. I returned to the couch to lie down. She brings me half a piece of leftover pizza, my stomach feels weird too.
**I stopped taking notes until midnight. 1 tsp of melted high CBD cannabutter taken orally. Antipsychotics were considered, but we decided it was too drastic. 1/3 mL eitzolam solution was also administered and I rested.**
12:00am: Mostly feeling comfortable again, but still feeling lingering psychedelic "headspace". Some lingering hints of visuals still present.
I was able to complete the paperwork for the account I closed on at 1:30pm, and managed to remember all the details. I had written them on envelopes in the office. It was disorganized but all there.
12:45am: Left the office and returned to the living room. Still very awake, I watched some more SNL with my partner as I returned to baseline. Visuals are gone, still feeling a bit trippy, probably due to the cannabutter. I hadn't had any in about a week so my tolerance was down and I took a dose that was pretty strong for me. (Normally 1/2 - 3/4 tsp is my dose.)
2:30am: Finally feel normal, but still stimulated. I took 2 Valerian extract capsules.
~ 6am I woke up on the couch and went to bed. I slept a few more hours and woke up groggy, but that seems pretty normal considering the eitzolam and valerian extract.
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Would I do it again? Maybe at a smaller redose. 25mg overshot my target. In retrospect a 15mg redose might have been better.
It seemed that 4-HO-MET may have some lingering effects or a window after coming down where a redose extends the length significantly.
It was fun for most of the time though. Hope you enjoyed the read!
Moderate psychedelic experience. Most recently dosed MAL.
Yesterday I had an opportunity to sample some 4-HO-MET. I was looking for a relatively short trip, then got a delivery of 4-FA in the afternoon and decided to experiment a little.
Initial dose: 15mg insufflated. The short duration made me curious about redosing, and I just received a sample of 4-AcO-MET so I wasn't concerned about wasting it.
Redose: 25mg insufflated. End result, a trip experience lasting from 12:20 pm to 2:00 am. Much longer than expected. Not sure if I would repeat.
- Pre-trip -
I got up at 6:30am to work from 7:30 to 12:00 pm. (I work from a home office.)
I dosed 10mg 2-FMA orally. I was working until noon that day.
At 10:00 am, dosed ~3mg 2-FMA intranasally as a booster. I didn't want an abrupt crash influencing my 4-HO-MET experience as well, and otherwise wanted to keep it simple.
At 12:00pm, I finished my day and got a little food and measured out 15mg 4-HO-MET on a mirror in a line and prepped my nose with saline solution.
- Initial dose -
12:20pm: Insufflated the line and turned on SNL's 40th anniversary special. I had planned to go to the park nearby, but a heavy thunderstorm put an end to that idea.
I was nervous, so I vaped a bit more than I usually do on my ePen. (2mg/mL, very light custom mix I made.)
12:25: Slight echoing of sounds noted. Mild blurring as well. My skin appeared to be slightly more dusky. (I am pretty pale with a slight olive undertone, it appeared to be a bit moreso.)
12:30: Body begins to feel lighter, starting to notice first onset of mushroom-esque "blurring" visual effects.
12:30: Based on trip reports, I was expecting to be giggly. I was laughing a bit, but it was hard to tell how much of that was the dose and how much was the show. (I was to the Celebrity Jeopardy sketch at this point, if you have seen the special.)
I started to notice I was shivering a bit and change into warmer clothes and get my snuggie.
12:45: Stationary objects seem to be shifting in place. My perception of Pete Davidson and Leslie Jones on the screen was skewed, their heads seemed to be growing and shrinking slightly relative to the size of their bodies. Objects appear to be almost "breathing". I seem to be more aware of the skeletal structure beneath people's faces.
Seems consistent with previous 2-3g mushroom tea doses.
1:00pm: Lying down feels great and relaxing, but I am slightly antsy. I find myself wishing I had a martini to sip on for a while, but we were out of alcohol and I wasn't willing to drive to the store obviously.
1:10: I got an email from a client. Yikes!
I was able to pause and type a response to her, but what would normally take 1-2 minutes took about 5 or 6 because I was second guessing my wordings. Visuals were present and I was coming up rapidly.
I returned to the show.
1:30: A prospect that I had a meeting scheduled with for after the trip called and asked if they could sign up now so they could go to dinner. Damnit.
I stop the show and return to the office. I am still very lucid, but nervous a bit so I use as few words as possible and close the deal. I will finish the paperwork later.
1:45: Concluded the call and returned to the show, definitely tripping at this point.
2:00pm: Laughing a lot.
The show is hysterical and the giggles are setting in too. My partner and sober sitter came out to watch it with me. She said "You're laughing like you've never seen this before and I want to see your reaction!" 2:20pm: I'm going to try magnesium before dosing next time. Definitely some jitteriness, but not nearly as much as my MAL experience last week. I start to want some marijuana to try to calm it, but I only have edibles on hand so I decide not to. No point to if it kicks in on the tail end of the plateau.
2:47: I got to the part where they were remembering lost cast members and crew, and skip it. I cry easily on psychedelics and loved Gilda Radner, John Belushi, Phil Hartman and Andy Kaufman.
I didn't feel tears coming, but I didn't want to risk it.
3:00pm: The show is over. I laughed a lot and feel great. Visuals are starting to reduce, but are definitely still present. It's raining even harder and thunder crashes. I want to go out and dance in the rain, but my partner says she thinks it's a bad idea so I listen to her. My pupils are huge and my hair is a bit messy from laying down and plaything a lot, and I get weirded out by my reflection while tripping so redoing it is out of the question.
I decide to stay inside and turn on Season 34 of SNL.
3:20: Definitely coming down gradually, but I am still in an elated mood. I think I would like a drink again, but visuals are still present and my partner doesn't know how to drive a manual transmission.
No big deal, it would be nice but it's not necessary.
4:00pm: My partner decides she would like a drink too, so she walks to the liquor store down the hill. (~5 minutes away)
4:15: Visuals are nearly gone, I feel nearly back to baseline. She returns and I have half a shot of vodka, and mix a drink of 1 oz Vodka, diet tonic water and lemon. It's nice, I still feel altered and it makes it very pleasant.
- Re-dose Madness -
The mail came with my recent order of 1g 4-FA from a trusted vendor with good reviews from Reddit. While this is bad form, I trusted the compound to be what was advertised because of past experience with him. The sample matched the MSDS and had physical properties consistent with what I was expecting.
I decide to try insufflating 50mg 4-FA. This is my first time, I am hoping for a return of a little visual effects or an extension of the trip a little. I feel like it was too short and want to keep it going.
4:30: Dosed 50mg 4-FA. Very bad burn, I am never doing that again. Yikes! I continue to sip my drink as the next episode comes on.
4:45: I notice I feel pretty euphoric, definitely as strong as molly but it's definitely a "up" state stronger than 2-FA or 2-FMA. Visuals are gone, lingering tripping headspace still present.
5:00pm: I decide to do something a little crazy. After a few searches and seeing conflicting information about redose potential of 4-HO. I am aware this generally does not work for psychedelics, but the 4-HO sample is old and seems a bit degraded so I go for it.
I insufflate 25mg 4-HO-MET.
I get my "oh s*** kit" out, containing anticonvulsants, antipsychotics and eitzolam. My partner knows how to and which to administer for which symptoms.
5:10: Visuals return, and stronger than before.
My lab notes: "Visuals return with a vengeance!"5:30: I am laughing hysterically to the point of tears, the show is great! Very enjoyable!
I look outside and the clouds are starting to break. Sunlight peeks through the clouds and I exclaimed "Holy s***! Outside is beautiful!"
I notice rainbow-colored light refraction around the edges of objects outside. I spend a little time out on the porch watching water drip from the roofs of the apartments nearby and all the people down the hill. It feels intense and significant.
**At this point, my notes start getting less descriptive because I am having a had time putting words to how I felt.**
5:53: Tripping HARD. I come inside. I feel hyper-focused on grooming, brushing my hair as we watch another SNL episode for about 20 minutes. I end up putting my hair in side ponytail so I can lay back and enjoy the show.
6:10pm: I am laughing hysterically to the point of tears.
I note that I seem to be responding more strongly to physical comedy and silly facial expressions. Normally these kinds of things make me smile but not laugh. I tend to laugh harder at things like Weekend Update's political humor.
This seems significant to me enough to write it down. [I wish I could repeat the experiment and have an fMRI or SPECT scan during the peak. I am curious, it seems to me that I am responding to humor in a more childlike fashion.]
6:17: Visuals very strong, some restlessness noted. My legs are cold and arms are not. Getting a blanket helped. Air temperature is about 64 F according to accuweather. There is a draft, it may not be the compound.
6:34: Still laughing a lot. Strong visuals, still pretty lucid. Talking with my partner is easy and she says I am very coherent. I feel like I am still tripping very hard. I would compare it to 5-6g dose of mushroom tea. Dehydration noted from the alcohol and 4-FA. I drink water.
6:48: I feel nervous about how I handled work today. This is common while tripping lately, I have only been managing for a little over a year and second guess my decisions when I trip sometimes.
7:15pm: I start to feel like I am done tripping. Notes say "When can I get off this ride?"
7:25: Still tripping. Visual shifting, rainbow halos around objects. Still intense, but starting to subside a bit.
7:45: Muscle tension noticed, visuals reducing. Still laughing a lot, having a good time but I would like to return to baseline.
8:07: Mild visuals still present. Post-trip jitters are stronger than before, my partner recommends I take some eitzolam.
~ 2/3 mL of 1mg/mL Eitzolam in PG solution taken orally.
8:30: I notice faces are still shifting strangely, but jitters are reduced.
9:00pm: Feeling strange. Confused and disoriented. I report this to my partner who asks what she can do to help. I returned to the couch to lie down. She brings me half a piece of leftover pizza, my stomach feels weird too.
**I stopped taking notes until midnight. 1 tsp of melted high CBD cannabutter taken orally. Antipsychotics were considered, but we decided it was too drastic. 1/3 mL eitzolam solution was also administered and I rested.**
12:00am: Mostly feeling comfortable again, but still feeling lingering psychedelic "headspace". Some lingering hints of visuals still present.
I was able to complete the paperwork for the account I closed on at 1:30pm, and managed to remember all the details. I had written them on envelopes in the office. It was disorganized but all there.
12:45am: Left the office and returned to the living room. Still very awake, I watched some more SNL with my partner as I returned to baseline. Visuals are gone, still feeling a bit trippy, probably due to the cannabutter. I hadn't had any in about a week so my tolerance was down and I took a dose that was pretty strong for me. (Normally 1/2 - 3/4 tsp is my dose.)
2:30am: Finally feel normal, but still stimulated. I took 2 Valerian extract capsules.
~ 6am I woke up on the couch and went to bed. I slept a few more hours and woke up groggy, but that seems pretty normal considering the eitzolam and valerian extract.
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Would I do it again? Maybe at a smaller redose. 25mg overshot my target. In retrospect a 15mg redose might have been better.
It seemed that 4-HO-MET may have some lingering effects or a window after coming down where a redose extends the length significantly.
It was fun for most of the time though.
Hope you enjoyed the read!
Not my smartest move though. I definitely felt what I call "psychedelic confusion" around 9, it's when you have taken too much of a psychedelic to process tasks like making food, taking a shower, etc. Someone please correct me if there's an actual term for it. It's not fun, but at least it's easier to handle than a high-dose LSD experience. (6 hits is the biggest I've done before, waaaaay too much!)