(4-HO-EPT/25 mg) - First Time - A Short, Sweet, Powerful, and Novel Experience

[Kaleida]

2C-C is definitely one of the ones I know I've got to take at some point, it seems like pretty much everyone I've ever known to try it has had nothing but good things to say about it. Plus, it's the last of the halogens that I need! (Other than 2C-F....) 2C-E was also one that really stood out to me the most for sure, I figured that if I try only one powerful synthetic phenethylamine it should probably be that. Though I hope to try many more! That along with 2C-P, 2C-iP, 2C-T-7, and 2C-T-4 always interested me the most for those purposes. Those are all actually some of the psychedelics I've just wanted to try the most in general.... My absolute favorite substances have traditionally all been the ones that feel very deep, and those all seemed like they had a lot of potential in that way to me. Luckily I do still have the propyl and isopropyl amphetamines to hold me over for now though, and if DOC was any indication I think those could be pretty satisfying as well.

And that's interesting about the 4-AcO-DMT. I actually do find mushrooms pretty DMT-like myself.... It feels very much like the same realm, but it also has a very visible 4-substituted tryptamine signature that DMT and the other base tryptamine have lacked for me, one that in my experience so far involves a loss of some of the feeling of "life" present in the base molecule but adds in a greater level of personal depth, it's easier to get into those intense classic psychedelic headspaces. It also tends to start with a certain obvious set of visual effects I get that experiences of that kind often do for me, and it does it in such a memorably powerful way that is by a pretty wide margin the most extreme version of it that I've ever had on any drugs, with the only exceptions of 4-AcO-DMT for which it was equally strong, and ETH-LAD recently which was perhaps equally as strong as well but a bit different in style. So that does make it kind of hard for me to differentiate between them as well, especially since it's just such an overwhelming and versatile effect as is.... Maybe I just need to try higher doses though to keep some 4-AcO-DMT floating around! Couldn't hurt. (Except maybe my sanity lol).

 

[Xorkoth]

You should like 2C-E a lot if you like deep psychedelics. It's certainly the deepest and most powerfully psychedelic of the 2Cs for me, in fact it's as psychedelic as anything and moreso than almost everything.

 

[Kaleida]

That is a hell of a recommendation! I'm definitely looking forward to it. :D I'd love to have a bunch of it and push it to see just how deep it goes.... That's one thing that always appealed to me about the 2Cs as well, compared to a lot of phenethylamine derivatives it seems like there is quite a bit of leeway with the doses, lots of extreme doses reported with very few potentially life-threatening reactions occurring. I love when psychedelics have that much wiggle room too, it's fun to try to identify different plateaus in their effects at different doses, things can get truly versatile.

 

[Xorkoth]

2C-E reacts differently in terms of dose-response curve than other 2C-Xs for many people, myself included. For many of them, like 2C-B, 2C-C or 2C-I, adding a few milligrams doesn't make too much difference. But with 2C-E, the difference between, say, 16 and 18mg is very significant. Seems to raise exponentially. My most overwhelming psychedelic experience was this one time on 18mg of 2C-E, 18mg was my usual strong dose, but the second time I did it, it was many times more intense than the other times, I wrote about it, you can find it on Erowid. Really overwhelmingly psychedelic experience. Start relatively low with 2C-E, I'd say you could definitely start at 18mg given your level of experience and ability to handle powerful trips, but don't go jumping up too fast. Some people seem much less sensitive to it... I've heard people say, yeah I like 30 or 40mg. For me I can't even imagine 30mg, and 40mg would surely be many, many times more intense than 30mg. 2C-E for me is a very serious drug, it's not really euphoric, although I've had moments of sublime euphoria on it. Generally it feels pretty neutral in character. It's far more psychological/spiritual than most other phenethylamines. Also extremely visual.

Weirdly, while I find 2C-C and DOC to have some definite similarities, and 2C-P and DOPr also as well as 2C-I and DOI, I found DOET to be almost nothing like 2C-E. It's almost like the opposite... a psychedelic that had very few mental or visual effects except on my emotions, while 2C-E is a full-spectrum psychedelic that makes me feel fairly detached from my emotions.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I can't help but join the discussion. The 2C's hold some of my fondest drug related memories.

2cb was lovely and it was the first one I ever took more than a threshold dose of. I remember there were times it almost resembled a lighter, more visually psychedelic version of mdma. It was yummy good visually fun stuff.

2c-i was similar to 2cb... A little harder on the mind, less mdma like and way more stimulating. Not my favorite but I wouldn't sneeze at it.

2cc was lovely lovely stuff. Very serene and toned down but could still be plenty immersive if dosed high enough. I seem to remember lots of blue and green colors associated with the visuals.. but that likely was just me.

2cd was my favorite mostly due to the duration. If dosed too high, the uncomfortable part of the trip would pass quickly. I took 2cd many times at concerts. I would dose in the parking lot, start coming up in my seat, trip during the concert and be back down by end of the concert so that I was able to drive myself home. I have very fond memories of 2cd I found it was generally underrated by most.

2cp was another one I enjoyed but due to the long duration, I never got the chance to try it at high enough of a dose to truly get a sense of it. The few times I did take it, I took small doses and just enjoyed the subtle enhancement to my day. Once I took it while deep cleaning my apartment. The stimulation helped, the slight psychedelia was distracting in a pleasant way. Another time I took it while out on a very long hike. That was an incredibly beautiful day.

Sorry this is way OT from the original post. You guys just got me reminiscencing.

 

[Kaleida]

2C-E reacts differently in terms of dose-response curve than other 2C-Xs for many people, myself included. For many of them, like 2C-B, 2C-C or 2C-I, adding a few milligrams doesn't make too much difference. But with 2C-E, the difference between, say, 16 and 18mg is very significant. Seems to raise exponentially. My most overwhelming psychedelic experience was this one time on 18mg of 2C-E, 18mg was my usual strong dose, but the second time I did it, it was many times more intense than the other times, I wrote about it, you can find it on Erowid. Really overwhelmingly psychedelic experience. Start relatively low with 2C-E, I'd say you could definitely start at 18mg given your level of experience and ability to handle powerful trips, but don't go jumping up too fast. Some people seem much less sensitive to it... I've heard people say, yeah I like 30 or 40mg. For me I can't even imagine 30mg, and 40mg would surely be many, many times more intense than 30mg. 2C-E for me is a very serious drug, it's not really euphoric, although I've had moments of sublime euphoria on it. Generally it feels pretty neutral in character. It's far more psychological/spiritual than most other phenethylamines. Also extremely visual.

Weirdly, while I find 2C-C and DOC to have some definite similarities, and 2C-P and DOPr also as well as 2C-I and DOI, I found DOET to be almost nothing like 2C-E. It's almost like the opposite... a psychedelic that had very few mental or visual effects except on my emotions, while 2C-E is a full-spectrum psychedelic that makes me feel fairly detached from my emotions.

It definitely sounds pretty intense, I'll have to be careful with it! Yeah, like I've said the only one I really have any significant experience with it 2C-I, and that one is extremely forgiving on the doses for me, probably at least in part just because it is in general, even huge doses cause no significant mindfuck or anything. That was part of my problem with it though, even though the plateaus I mentioned were there; doses in the range of 10-50 mg generally gave me lots of energy with electric neon visuals with lots of distortion and movement but not much patterning and colors generally in the area of yellow, dark blue, green, and hot pink, whereas going above that, especially 75+ mg, actually caused a very tranquilizing trip where I spent almost the whole thing in bed, and the distortions were replaced by large patterns covering surfaces with lots of light reds, greens, and blues. I found those larger doses the most interesting definitely, but at the same time since they were so hollow and also sedating they were kind of boring. So, that's where my desire to push boundaries with them comes from, even with something like 2C-E, I feel like if I can handle it it could be pretty fascinating to keep searching for deeper levels like this.... But yeah, I definitely will start low and go slow. I've read your report before so I'm well aware of just how intense it can be! I'll probably start with around 10-15 mg, if I have that much leeway with it whenever I get the chance to try it.

That's very interesting about the DOET as well! I've always wondered how much equivalence a lot of the phenethylamines and their corresponding amphetamines have, so that is cool to read. I wonder what makes the DOET so different too? Maybe it just needs to be pushed, but given the chemical class I probably wouldn't want to be the first to do so.... That definitely makes me even more excited to try DOPR and DOiP though too! I really need to get around to those one of these days.

I can't help but join the discussion. The 2C's hold some of my fondest drug related memories.

2cb was lovely and it was the first one I ever took more than a threshold dose of. I remember there were times it almost resembled a lighter, more visually psychedelic version of mdma. It was yummy good visually fun stuff.

2c-i was similar to 2cb... A little harder on the mind, less mdma like and way more stimulating. Not my favorite but I wouldn't sneeze at it.

2cc was lovely lovely stuff. Very serene and toned down but could still be plenty immersive if dosed high enough. I seem to remember lots of blue and green colors associated with the visuals.. but that likely was just me.

2cd was my favorite mostly due to the duration. If dosed too high, the uncomfortable part of the trip would pass quickly. I took 2cd many times at concerts. I would dose in the parking lot, start coming up in my seat, trip during the concert and be back down by end of the concert so that I was able to drive myself home. I have very fond memories of 2cd I found it was generally underrated by most.

2cp was another one I enjoyed but due to the long duration, I never got the chance to try it at high enough of a dose to truly get a sense of it. The few times I did take it, I took small doses and just enjoyed the subtle enhancement to my day. Once I took it while deep cleaning my apartment. The stimulation helped, the slight psychedelia was distracting in a pleasant way. Another time I took it while out on a very long hike. That was an incredibly beautiful day.

Sorry this is way OT from the original post. You guys just got me reminiscencing.

Thanks for sharing, I'm always interested in reading more about the 2C family. I've used 2C-B twice, but only at 10 mg each, and it was barely psychedelic at that point, only very minor visual effects and some light euphoria. It definitely felt like a good one though. 2C-I I've used much more, but I grew tired of it.... I'd be much more interested in exploring with the others now. This just makes me even more anxious to get my hands on them!

 

[Mushwood]

Really great trip report.

I'd like to try more of these type of tryptamines and found your account most interesting. So thanks!


...2C-i and 2C-b I found very enjoyable. I have access to 2C-t-4 but am a little scared to take it coz it lasts so long..

 

[Kaleida]

I've tried B/C/D/I - E is next on my list, I've had some for a few years but have always been putting it off seeing it as way more powerful than most - despite countless LSD/DMT experiences, there's something about it, perhaps the exponential dose curve that keeps me on my toes.

Isn't it funny how that works? You'd think that surely after so many experiences on other intense psychedelics you'd feel ready to jump into anything, but it really doesn't do anything to make the ones with big powerhouse reputations any less daunting. Of course, that might come directly out of said experiences as well, since they show you just how much substances like this should be respected. Plus, the knowledge that no matter how many other psychedelics you've tried, a brand new one is still going to be different from anything you've ever experienced before!

Really great trip report.

I'd like to try more of these type of tryptamines and found your account most interesting. So thanks!


...2C-i and 2C-b I found very enjoyable. I have access to 2C-t-4 but am a little scared to take it coz it lasts so long..

Thanks so much, I'm glad you found it so interesting! :D And you're very welcome as well, I'm always willing to contribute to the collective knowledge and safe use of these chemicals. I definitely believe that tryptamines are one of the most interesting and worthwhile classes of drugs to explore as well, so I'm happy to help others learn more about them! I'm pretty excited about these novel molecules that are just starting to appear too, I'm expecting to be reading (and writing) many trip reports about them in the near future.

And I am now fuming with jealousy about your access to 2C-T-4 as well! I really cannot express how much I want to take it, 2C-E has been my biggest interest for the ones I actually think I'll be able to get and that have a lot written about them, but 2C-T-4 always sounded like the single most interesting of all the 2Cs to me (granted that my reasons may differ from the more casual reader). You should definitely write about your experience when you do it. But I totally get the fear of a long duration! I'm sitting on DOPR right now and have yet to take it for the same reason, despite the fact that it sounds absolutely fascinating. Twenty or more hours is a long ass time to commit to a trip, especially when you don't even know yet whether you'll enjoy it or not....

 

[Mushwood]

^ Looking forward to your upcoming reports!


Yeah I guess maybe I could do one if I'm ever brave enough to do the 2c-t-4, but it will pale in inferioty to yours for sure. I don't think I could be anywhere near as detailed or articulate.

I doubt I will try it though, usually when I'm tripping I've had enough after a few hours or so , even if I'm really enjoying myself that's plenty, I find it can be quite exhausting. 20 hour long trips just don't appeal to me! .....but I dunno ..maybe one day ...a small dose!!

 

[Kaleida]

I just posted my next one. It's here:

(4-HO-EPT/40 mg) - Second Time - Finding the Complexities

Haha, I just can't help myself but be very descriptive when I talk about these things. Regardless of whether or not you have the right vocabulary or how talkative you are though, your perspective on these substances is always worth something, especially when they're less explored like these ones.... I'd be happy to have your report on 2C-T-4 if you did ever get around to trying it.

Of course, if you really don't think you will you can always just send my way and I'll write a report instead. Haha.

 

[Xorkoth]

It definitely sounds pretty intense, I'll have to be careful with it! Yeah, like I've said the only one I really have any significant experience with it 2C-I, and that one is extremely forgiving on the doses for me, probably at least in part just because it is in general, even huge doses cause no significant mindfuck or anything. That was part of my problem with it though, even though the plateaus I mentioned were there; doses in the range of 10-50 mg generally gave me lots of energy with electric neon visuals with lots of distortion and movement but not much patterning and colors generally in the area of yellow, dark blue, green, and hot pink, whereas going above that, especially 75+ mg, actually caused a very tranquilizing trip where I spent almost the whole thing in bed, and the distortions were replaced by large patterns covering surfaces with lots of light reds, greens, and blues. I found those larger doses the most interesting definitely, but at the same time since they were so hollow and also sedating they were kind of boring. So, that's where my desire to push boundaries with them comes from, even with something like 2C-E, I feel like if I can handle it it could be pretty fascinating to keep searching for deeper levels like this.... But yeah, I definitely will start low and go slow. I've read your report before so I'm well aware of just how intense it can be! I'll probably start with around 10-15 mg, if I have that much leeway with it whenever I get the chance to try it.

Wow, those are inconceivable dosages of 2C-I to me, I feel like I'd worry about my health at 50mg, let alone 75mg. I have taken it up to 22mg, which I found quite overwhelming but not very deep at all, I had mindfuck but it was like I felt insane and couldn't order my thoughts. It was also extremely visual with aztec-style patterning.

It may be that you won't be really sensitive to 2C-E either, but I'd still start low. Some people find it quite gentle, euphoric, and forgiving in dosage, while others, like me, find it hard, analytical and neutral, but powerfully psychedelic.

 

[Kaleida]

Haha, I could see that kind of mindset with 2C-I, but it just was never that out of it for me. It got up to the point of feeling almost a little bit deliriously speedy at more normal doses, but always in a pleasant and not overly pushy way, I really enjoyed talking to friends on it when it was like that. At the higher doses it was surprisingly different though, it was basically like euphoric to the point that I just didn't feel like moving or worrying about anything at all, because to do so would take too much effort. It was a lot like what I've imagined a full dose of mescaline to be like from what I've heard about it.... It was shockingly comfortable, I've had some body load from lower doses but my strongest trips on it had none at all, total relaxation. The patterns I described at that point also did have some of the cubist perspective distortion I've always heard about from mescaline as well. At the lower doses I have had some strong visuals as well but nothing too strongly defined like the patterning you mention, but I could see how it would occasion that as well, it's pretty versatile. I did once also see a few faces on the walls on it, the beginnings of something a bit deeper.

It could definitely be that I'm just insensitive to phenethylamines too, it's hard to say since I don't really have much experience for comparison. I'll definitely start low though, I probably would prefer to go with 10 mg, which is the same dose of 2C-I I started with anyway, and actually 2C-B now that I think about.... Seems like it could become a tradition just like 25 mg for my 4-substituted tryptamines. I am quite interested to see how 2C-E will be for me though if it is that versatile.... I can't say I don't hope it will be euphoric, but either way I just hope to see some cool new depths of psychedelia!