4-FMP and MDMA - both together, which order?

[Mothaman]

Hello,

its my first posting here and i wanna apologize me in advance for my english, i am from Germany. Im taking rarely some partyenhancers (aproxx. once in three months), mainly Mdma.

Next week i have the joy to go to an event :D I have still some 200mg of mdma, but the last time ive took it (same charge, almost 3 months ago), i didnt had that experience like before, dunnow if its cause a bad quality charge or its owning to my stupidness to reload over 12 hours again and again some loads, mostly sniffed (dont know how much in whole, probably something about 250 to 350mg), which endet up in some kind of paranoia and a bad feeling. So my joy is tempered about this night.

I once experienced the artist I want to see (+mdma ~120mg +relaods), and it was one of the most awesome concerts ive ever seen (i love them since they started with psy), and i hope it will be the same experience. So i wanna inform me before and ask for some advice to get again an night in paradise

I bought some 4fmp (120mg pills and powder), after a friend told me he had an awesome experience with it, much more than with mdma (he dont likes madma that much, he sayd he didnt got that euphoric like from 4fmp).
After i red some articels about it i recognized, that the opinion about 4fmp is heavily different. I dont wanna risk that this night getting to low, so i plan to take at the begining 120mg of 4fmp, and if its not taking the effect ive expected, sniff some crystals of mdma more. Is that dangerous, or senseless in some way? Theres no afterparty planed yet, so the party will be over after 6 hours.
One probelm is, that i probably dont get some new mdma, and i will share the remaining 200mg with my girlfriend. So the mdma is limited to 100mg p. p. 120mg of 4fmp is available per person as pill, and much more as powder. What can i do to get out the best of this night? or stay at the 100mg mdma and get loaded with alkohol after 3 hours? 8(

I searched for this in the Forum shortly, but i couldnt find anything worth, and i was scared to read 300pages of the 4fmp topics.

Thank you for any tipps in advance!
many regards

 

[Mothaman]

Hi guys,

probably i wrote too much!? im trying to simplify it:

Had somebody any experience with the following combs or can do some suggestions?
1. First 120mg 4-Fa and bomb 100mg Mdma,
or 2. first mdma and try to made it out with some alkohol after 3 hours...
or 3. kill the comedown from the mdma with 4-fa after the peak. will i feel it?

Thanks!


EDIT: ok, my fail... i went into the bunch of topics, and i found some kind of answers for my question!

 

[jerseybrah]

3 sounds the best to me and im experienced in both substances

 

[Mothaman]

do you mean first mdma, and after peak is reached, fix the comedown with 4-fa`? i have a problem with coming down of mdma while the party is still goin on, and in this case i cant rebomb molly - my doubt is, that the 4-fa wont be strong enough against an premollypeak...

So i decided until yet, precisely cause its my first time with 4-fa, take 4fa, see whats happening and when im feeling its getting less or isnt what i expected make it magic with molly!
(molly?! why this euphemism? sounds warm and secure, in german mollig means kindof snug and chubby...i like it) :D

Another Question: i read about some people who pretesting 4-fa, but seems for me to check an general alergy against that kind of drugs, and mdma is definitely good to us... or should we take an initaldose of 20?

Ill give feedback! cheers

 

[jerseybrah]

Don't expect much on 4-fa I found it a better study drug than recreational. The 4-fa will be best to take after the MDMA peak because the 4-fa itself doesnt have much of a peak. This will prolong comedown so be sure to have something on hand to help you sleep afterward. I recommend a little green, or cannabinoids for that.

 

[Mothaman]

here are my conclusion about taking 4-fa with mdma and methylone.

For some stupid reason i dipped from mdma the day before i planned to take the 4-fa with mdma (minimum dose, but quiet good effect). The next day i startet with an Gintonic, then i ate the 120mg 4fa - Effect was almost zero, it just felt a little bit an placebo euphoria. So we took our remeaing mdma and decided to look for some mdma crystals, and as lucky we are we got some more. we had a really great night, but for the first time i´ve got for the next two days an heavy downfeeling and a great disappointment for 4fa.

Second experiment: Two weeks later for NYE ive took 180mg of 4-fa on a really great nye-party (i guess the setting was also a reason for this great experience).
I had over about 4 hours heavy euphoria with an happiness and love feeling almost similar to mdma, but much more clear in mind and i was dancing all the time. I also had an great tickling all over my body as well, what spent me an chickenskin for the whole night cause this great feeling.
After 4 hours i felt the effects got weaker, so i putted an prepared 140mg Methylone load in my beer. After some minutes i started to feelt an heavy movement in my body, and i started to get scared if it was too much, cause it got minute by minute more and more heavy, and all my view started to move, and i felt something big was coming over me. i lost more and more my control over my movements and i wobbled around like an drunken idiot, but i was able to speak clear with an little confused mindfuck (i couldnt remeber the name of the club, and the blinking lightwall made me feel like im in an horrorroom, but i wasnt not scared about it).
i warned my girlfriend about my state and she took me out from the dancefloor, where i continued dancing in slow movements. After my state stopped to get heavier, i started to enjoy this "trip", and i was really happy again and searched for convesations and stupid thigs to do.

Next day i had almost no hangover, what makes me favorising 4-fa much more than mdma, but first i wanna figure out how 4-fa effects on an normal party. Additionally i drunk over the whole night 4 Club-Mate, which contains pro bottle 100mg Caffein (Mate tea made in germany), what probably increased the effects.

All in all it was an great and hard experience, and i thought about to put booth substanced lower dosed in a capsula with 100mg Caffeine. I know mixing rc´s is not the smartest way, and i also dont remember everything of this cross-consum. indicates that and higher neurotoxicty? Have somebody more experience about this mixture? Would be cool to know more about.

Greetz