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3rd_I_blind said:
No real problem here, as long as people realize they are cousins and not identical twins. ;)

It would also be strange if the RCs were marketed without a reference to an established substance; no one would know what to expect. BTW, is MDAI really marketed as an MDMA-analogue? If I'm not mistaken, around here it was more linked to MDA than to MDMA. However, I never really dug deep into the MDAI; MDMA hardly interests me, let alone some lower-potency RC MDMA-analogue.
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Im not sure. it was marketed as legal mdma when it first cam out in the UK and from experience i would say it is more mdma like than mda like. no visuals. its actually kind shit on its own, its nice with another stimulant tho.

What kind of dosages are you using for 4-fa? have you tried the methylone combo?
 
fluffybudzz said:
it was marketed as legal mdma when it first cam out in the UK
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No offense and not intended as an argument to discredit your story, but UK vendors are usually the 'fullest of shit' when it comes to RCs. It is possibly one of the reasons a lot of very shitty RCs are used in great quantities in the UK, but find almost no niche on the mainland.

What kind of dosages are you using for 4-fa? have you tried the methylone combo?
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I am hardly using 4-FMP by itself anymore, and since I am not really fond of stimulants in general my dosage seems to be on the low end of the scale. I always liked dosing 4-FMP at 60-80 mg, sometimes 25-40 mg when working on my thesis (= study aid); I already noticed increased appreciation for music at 30+ mg. The 4-FMP + MDMC combo has been tried a few times in the past, it is nice but only if you like a lot of stimulation. If you would like to try, I suggest you go for your normal dose of 4-FMP (100-120 mg seems perfect) and take some 150-250 mg MDMC about 2 hours after the coming-up (= approximately 2.5-3 hours after initial dosing). Just keep yourself from compulsive redosing, might be tricky with MDMC in the equation...

My personal favorite use of 4-FMP is in combination with the intermediate length 2Cs. 2C-I takes the cake, but 2C-E and 2C-T-2 are also very nice. My favorite combination was any two of 2C-I/2C-E/LSD with an inital dose of 50-65 mg of 4-FMP; supplement of 30-40 mg 4-FMP 6 hours in, sometimes with an odd 6-8 mgs of 2C-E/I. Super colourful and sophisticated CEVs (dancing Barbie army consisting of 10,000+ Barbies LOL), clearheadedness when needed but trippy if you let it. Hardly any fatigue, no excessive stimulation, just a somewhat 'natural' energetic feeling. Of course this combination will not have the same effects for everyone, but all my friend are also liking it a lot. :)
 
3rd_I_blind said:
No offense and not intended as an argument to discredit your story, but UK vendors are usually the 'fullest of shit' when it comes to RCs. It is possibly one of the reasons a lot of very shitty RCs are used in great quantities in the UK, but find almost no niche on the mainland.


I am hardly using 4-FMP by itself anymore, and since I am not really fond of stimulants in general my dosage seems to be on the low end of the scale. I always liked dosing 4-FMP at 60-80 mg, sometimes 25-40 mg when working on my thesis (= study aid); I already noticed increased appreciation for music at 30+ mg. The 4-FMP + MDMC combo has been tried a few times in the past, it is nice but only if you like a lot of stimulation. If you would like to try, I suggest you go for your normal dose of 4-FMP (100-120 mg seems perfect) and take some 150-250 mg MDMC about 2 hours after the coming-up (= approximately 2.5-3 hours after initial dosing). Just keep yourself from compulsive redosing, might be tricky with MDMC in the equation...

My personal favorite use of 4-FMP is in combination with the intermediate length 2Cs. 2C-I takes the cake, but 2C-E and 2C-T-2 are also very nice. My favorite combination was any two of 2C-I/2C-E/LSD with an inital dose of 50-65 mg of 4-FMP; supplement of 30-40 mg 4-FMP 6 hours in, sometimes with an odd 6-8 mgs of 2C-E/I. Super colourful and sophisticated CEVs (dancing Barbie army consisting of 10,000+ Barbies LOL), clearheadedness when needed but trippy if you let it. Hardly any fatigue, no excessive stimulation, just a somewhat 'natural' energetic feeling. Of course this combination will not have the same effects for everyone, but all my friend are also liking it a lot. :)
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ha no offense taken my friend. there are a lot of shitty vendors in the uk. most of my rc's are from china and mainland Europe tho anyways.

Fascinating that you say 4-fmp was a good combo with 2c's, i would have thought there would be too much stimulation. Haha dancing barbies thats some funny shit man. tho, i really didn't find 4-fmp very present when i took it. do you think the 2c's ehnhance the euphoria in the 4-fmp (which i did not expereince but would like too). I have 2c-e and 2c-i to play with haven't tried the 2c-i before but have a gram. does the 4-fmp do any thing for the nausea? i hate the 2c nausea :(
 
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been a while since i did this, but im very careful with stims, and hate stims that make my heart pound, i remember when i last did this i felt calm, europhic, speedyness started after the initial serotony effects wore off, but wasnt unpleasent, compared to mephedrone etc, this stuff seems far less cardiotoxic than that does it not?

May try some of it out again tommorow :)
 
bignbrown said:
been a while since i did this, but im very careful with stims, and hate stims that make my heart pound, i remember when i last did this i felt calm, europhic, speedyness started after the initial serotony effects wore off, but wasnt unpleasent, compared to mephedrone etc, this stuff seems far less cardiotoxic than that does it not?
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Seems a pretty benign compound, & works comfortably with mxe if both are used ins mall doses, in my experience. Go easy if you dont like the old pounding heart thing, coz both seem to stimulate the cardiovascular area.

The afterglow on 4fa is much less anxiety-inducing than meph & 4fa is generally calmer, longer-lasting & pleasant feeling. It does not have the push of meph but I get too much push from meph, so I love this stuff.

I'm considering mixing 4-fa with substituted trypts, anyone tried this?
 
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PhyllipThylamine said:
I'm considering mixing 4-fa with substituted trypts, anyone tried this?
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Tried with 4-AcO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT. 4-AcO-DiPT was utterly insane, was truly a crazy party (but I have to be honest, the setting was absolutely superb). 5-MeO-MiPT was less profoundly positive, had the impression there was more cardiovascular stimulation in this one. Dosage wise, 4-AcO-DiPT probably was 16-18 mg, 5-MeO-MiPT was ~10 mg; 4-FMP must have been ~65 mg in both instances. Any further questions feel free to drop me a line. :)
 
3rd_I_blind said:
Tried with 4-AcO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT. 4-AcO-DiPT was utterly insane, was truly a crazy party (but I have to be honest, the setting was absolutely superb). 5-MeO-MiPT was less profoundly positive, had the impression there was more cardiovascular stimulation in this one. Dosage wise, 4-AcO-DiPT probably was 16-18 mg, 5-MeO-MiPT was ~10 mg; 4-FMP must have been ~65 mg in both instances. Any further questions feel free to drop me a line. :)
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Wouldn't mind a trip report for this. ;) ;) ;)
=D
 
FlippingTop said:
Wouldn't mind a trip report for this. ;) ;) ;)
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Yeah well, it's been a while since I took these combinations, so my report would undoubtedly be biased towars the positive aspects of the trip. Which might be uncalled for, since it is usually the negative possibilities one should be aware of when trying new combinations in a club-setting...
 
i know its tuesday afternoon, but i just done about 130mg 4-fa hehe, with a 80mg top up lined up.

slowly kicking in, feels nothing like speed, more like mellow mdma.

May snort the 80mg when its kicked in to intensify the effects as 130mg wont be all that strong (yes i know snorting hurts but i dont care :p)
 
bignbrown said:
i know its tuesday afternoon, but i just done about 130mg 4-fa hehe, with a 80mg top up lined up.

slowly kicking in, feels nothing like speed, more like mellow mdma.

May snort the 80mg when its kicked in to intensify the effects as 130mg wont be all that strong (yes i know snorting hurts but i dont care :p)
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I like this sort of Tuesday :)
Let us know how you get on
 
feeling good so far, nearly every other stim i get paranoid about heart rate, breathing etc, but this just calms me down.

Most people say one dose lasts about 4-6 hours, but i usually find 2-3, i think its fast metabolism or something (as empty stomach or food in stomach makes no difference for me in come up time), not sure really.

but yeah feeling nice. The only thing i dont get on this is mad music appreciation alot of people report. I COULD top up with 50-60mg dab of mdma, but not sure if thats a good idea. I dont want to redose 4fa and jstu get the speedy effects.

Any tips on improving the europhia/length of effects welcome, would love this to last 6 hours like most people report!
 
If you alter the PH value of your stomach to more alkaline this will increase the effects.

Acid in the stomach breaks down the compound more rapidly.

Dont know if it will change duration but certainly more bang for buck.

Info from another ADD board.
 
Sorry for bumping my post (done alot today, sorry!), as the 4-fa is past its peak i have 3 options, just chill with benzos for the rest of the night, redose another bomb of 4-fa, then benzos later, orrrr try a small amount of mdma into the mix?

Suggestions?
 
Havent tried 4-FA, not usually into stims due to anxiety issues, but fine with MDMA
Whats this stuff like for that feeling wired ?
 
complete opposite, i hate stims normally, but this stuff calms me down, almost like my racing heart from anxiety dissapears, well worth trying. (im usually extremely anxious), this stuff is so peaceful :p
 
bignbrown said:
complete opposite, i hate stims normally, but this stuff calms me down, almost like my racing heart from anxiety dissapears, well worth trying. (im usually extremely anxious), this stuff is so peaceful :p
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Good stuff, I might give it a try indeed
How long did the peak last for you ?
 
only 2-3 hours maybe, but for most its more like a 4-6 hour duration, i have an unusually fast metabolism and i come up and down off drugs quick when dosed orally.
 
I have the same problem & I weigh very little, so I'm usually hit stronger & longer than others. I also feel it first, even before girls.

I've noticed 4-fa comes on slower with a full stomach, that tolerance rises fast & that longer sessions get more "speedy". As such I have not yet, nor do I intend to go higher than 200mg in one session. I do seem to get about 6 hours outta 180mg. I neck 80, followed by 60mg an hour later followed by 40 an hour later. Maybe sacrifice a quicker come-up by reducing the initial dose a little, then topping up with 2, progressively smaller hits???
 
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