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Stimulants 4-fluoroamphetamine

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Here's Mecke and Mandelin results.

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Still hard to see what I'm dealing with here. I'm starting to suspect sample #2 has methamphetamine in it though, due to the strong blue reacting on Simons.
 
Real 4-FA shows very different test results:

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None of the yellow/orange at marquis, but a sort of pink / salmon that fades completely over time. The texture of the powder is similar, but there are particles that sort of glitter in it, like small crystals.
 
villian said:
who has compared it to PMA? i realize they are structurally similar but it seems everyone who tries this finds it extremely clean.. makes you sick with euphoria anyway ;)
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Well, it's not a beta-ketone either.
So seems like severely etarded has it mixed up with something else, or is indeed severely etarded. :p
 
Old thread, I know, but I am curious if anyone is willing to provide some additional speculation regarding the relative neurotoxicity of 4-fa given what we know about its substantial properties as both a releaser of dopamine and an inhibitor of its reuptake. It's action related to Serotonin (while certainly more significant than that of unsubstituted dextroamphetamine) seems pretty minimal in comparison to that of MDxx drugs and even to other 4th position halo-substituted amphetamines. On a related note, has anyone determined the final metabolic fate of this drug yet?
 
4-fa is what I like to call the Cadillac of stimulants. It is immensely versatile; at lower dosages a great study aid if one is a student and a just all around pick me up and at higher dosages it feels as though it is a stimulant with slight MDMA properties.

Another great thing I have noticed with 4-fa is that I don't feel a huge urge to redose, which is something that I have problems with when it comes to 4-mmc, d-amphetamines, MDPV, etc. which really is a blessing in disguise for me. This material does seem to be slightly addictive though but so comes with the bandwagon that is stimulants.

Also I would like to point that this is my subjective experience with this material, I gave a friend of mine 130 mgs followed by a booster dose of 100 mgs and they said if I had told them I had given them a dose of d-amphetamine they wouldn't have been any wiser.
 
250mg didn't do anything for me of 4fa...is going up to 500 unheard of? it's from a legit source



i normally need like 90mg adderall IR for a euphoria..diff compounds but i'm curious if that raised my tolerance...i stim like once a week
 
alexthealien said:
250mg didn't do anything for me of 4fa...is going up to 500 unheard of? it's from a legit source



i normally need like 90mg adderall IR for a euphoria..diff compounds but i'm curious if that raised my tolerance...i stim like once a week
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yea dont do that much. Theres going to be a cross tolerance obviously. Did you take any adderall when researching it? I dont know why im asking but its pretty pushy for first times. Very smacky at two fifty. ... Especially if all at once. Tbh its probably not real or its cross tolerance idk wdk
 
I am confused by 4fa. I received a free sample the other day and as far as I can tell the reagent tests suggest that it is what it claims to be, however I got no empathy or euphoria from it at 120mg. I did get mood elevation, motivation and a general feeling of well-being but nothing comparable to any of the empathogenic effects of mdma, I just didn't feel any of the serotonin effects I had heard about in other reports. I have to say that the experience was a positive one as I was able to communicate clearly and felt very sociable and alert when I went out that evening. My appetite was also pretty intact and I enjoyed a meal 4 hours after dosing. Could the lack of entactogenic effects be down to taking 4-mec the two nights previously? When I had a bump of 4-mec later on, around 6 hours after the 4fa, I felt the expected serotonin surge.
 
Mr. Fox sir, even the most reliable & brilliant supplier can make a mistake, often these are not fatal but can bring mixed results for what is thought of as the same substance. Your description sounds very similar to my admittedly limited use of 4-FMA. There are definitely suppiers of both compounds around & if there are ANY two that could easilly be mixed up, it's thses two. I have to say, 120mg of 4-FMA would be about double my dose, & I woulda thought to be quite a powerful stimulant effect, so I am in no way certain of my diagnosis.

Anyway, to summerise. 4-FMA appears to bring almost exactly the effects of 4-FA, with much less euphoria & at around half the dose of 4-FMA.

The 4-mec usage definitely could also have been the cause of these limited affects of 4-FA
 
Silverfox said:
I am confused by 4fa. I received a free sample the other day and as far as I can tell the reagent tests suggest that it is what it claims to be, however I got no empathy or euphoria from it at 120mg. I did get mood elevation, motivation and a general feeling of well-being but nothing comparable to any of the empathogenic effects of mdma, I just didn't feel any of the serotonin effects I had heard about in other reports. I have to say that the experience was a positive one as I was able to communicate clearly and felt very sociable and alert when I went out that evening. My appetite was also pretty intact and I enjoyed a meal 4 hours after dosing. Could the lack of entactogenic effects be down to taking 4-mec the two nights previously? When I had a bump of 4-mec later on, around 6 hours after the 4fa, I felt the expected serotonin surge.
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I have also received a free sample of this today and have never tried the stuff before. Im guessing it was from the same place as yours as there cant have been many vendors offering free samples of this recently. I'm pleased to hear that the reagent tests look good - do they match the results on post 82 above ? (Assuming that person was providing reliable info). I'm quite excited by this product due to all the glowing reviews of it and I hope it is the real stuff and not some bunk that others have mentioned..

From what i have gathered this stuff does nothing for serotonin and acts purely on dopamine. I will have to try to lay off the PV for a while during my free time though in order to give the 4fa a fair trial, as i supect my dopamine levels wouldnt be in the best of states otherwise.

After rushing in to claim my free sample, i then remembered all the warnings about the 4 halogenated amphetamines. I think 4fa is one of these but i havent a clue what this means TBH, but i do understand some of them are suspected to be highly neurotoxic. Fortunately i have not seen any warnings about 4fa itself, with some saying it seems quite safe. The real dangerous one seems to be Brephedrone. So we have to trust that no vendor is selling Brephedrone under a different name, now word has got around about how dangerous the stuff may be.
 
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Thanks for all of your helpful replies, I'll have a week laying off the 4-mec and test it again this weekend. @mydrugbuddy - I almost certainly got my freebie from the same source (it was nicely overweight too) and I do understand your reservations about the neurotoxicity of 4-halo substituted amps and cathionines but the 4-fluoro compounds seems to lack this.
 
I began researching 4-fa exclusively this past summer because of my inability to obtain 4-mmc. The first 3 or 4 times that I used it, it felt very close to an mdma experience. I was incredibly stimulated and I experienced a plethora of empathy and euphoria and this lasted for a noticeably long time. I thought that this was great, and that I had found my new chemical of choice. But the high began to change.

Every experience after the first few left me feeling just very dumb and disoriented; very fucked up. No euphoria, no empathy, just stimulation that would keep me awake for whole nights. It felt purely like a stimulant. I guess the logical conclusion to formulate would be that I don't have that much serotonin and it's due to tolerance. But I used 4mmc last year way more than 3 or 4 times and always at 250 mg or less doses. I used 4mmc maybe 20-25 times last year, I used 4-fa maybe 10 times this summer.

My conclusions about 4-fa: It's an extremely long-lasting stimulant, I subjectively experienced a loss of magic on it after a few uses, it's less intense than 4-mmc, also agree that it is a good study aid and I lost quite a bit of weight, and it can be disorienting on high doses.

I usually dosed 100 to 350 mg. Didn't usually redose.
 
@Simona19 Interesting. Up until the ban, and for six months after (until my stash ran out) I used 4-mmc three or four times a week, usually up to 250mg but never more than 500mg at a time. I had six months off 4-mmc and 4-mec and then started weekly 4-mec up to now. The thing is, I still get the euphoric hit from 4-mec so I don't think that my serotonin levels are too bad (and my mood is stable) so as I'm getting stimulation without euphoria, maybe I don't have 4-fa after all?
 
i got my free sample of 4-fa in the mail two days ago as well. got a 100mg sample of mxe from a different vendor that same day. boy was i happy when i opened the mailbox lol.

anyway, i took the mxe that night at like 11pm (all of it... i have a huge tolerance to nmda antagonists. didn't really feel a whole lot at that dose. meh. good thing i'm taking a break, just tried that sample because he was a new vendor, he needed reviews, and it was free =p).

then the next morning while still awake at 9am i snorted 60mg of 4-fa. effects were pretty immediate... it hurt like hell but for less than a minute. also i swallowed another 60mg at the same time. a few hours later i swallowed another 200mg. this time i weighed the powder on my scale, licked my finger, picked up the powder with my finger and then licked my finger. this 4-fa felt sorta like pop rocks on my tongue and tasted realllly strange. not bad necessarily (though the pop rocks burning did feel caustic), just a verrry strange taste. this kept me going until 9am.

nothing to do today and i'm bored, so i took another 250mg of 4-fa orally, and plan on taking another 250mg later (the sample was marked as 500mg but was really closer to 750mg.) oral dosages seem like they're maybe half as strong as snorted, though the mxe that was still in my system for that one snorted dose might've had something to do with it.

oh yeah, and one other thing... by the end of the day yesterday, having been up for like 36 hours, smoked a LOT of JWH-122 and AM-2201, did MXE the night previous, and was on like 300mg of 4-fa... i started getting light 2c-like visuals. you know, the aztec looking stuff. they would just come intermittently and never stuck around for long.

this stuff isn't as potent as a stimulant as amphetamine is at a mg per mg basis, but it has the potential. there is definitely something serotonergic going on here that doesn't happen with unsubstituted amphetamine.
 
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