From reports on erowid and elsewhere I had the impression that 4-fa was active at 100 to 150 mg orally and that it produced pronounced euphoria in the first couple of hours and then amp-like stimulation for a further four hours. From your experience of the free sample and from mine it seems milder in effect than I would have expected. I sampled again at the weekend with some friends who are experienced in stims and whilst it was well received and certainly produced some empathy it wasn't earth shattering. In fact three hours after ingestion everyone decided that a line of 4-mec was needed as a livener. Can any experienced hands offer any opinions?
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From reports on erowid and elsewhere I had the impression that 4-fa was active at 100 to 150 mg orally and that it produced pronounced euphoria in the first couple of hours and then amp-like stimulation for a further four hours. From your experience of the free sample and from mine it seems milder in effect than I would have expected. I sampled again at the weekend with some friends who are experienced in stims and whilst it was well received and certainly produced some empathy it wasn't earth shattering. In fact three hours after ingestion everyone decided that a line of 4-mec was needed as a livener. Can any experienced hands offer any opinions?
3rd_I_blind
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It does not sound like 4-FA effects at all. I have had personal contact with at least fifty people trying 4-FA for the first time (no dicksizing intended), and most of them experienced exactly what they should at a dosage of 120-150 mg. Only one or two of those people decided to add other chemicals because they felt next to nothing. I would estimate at least half of those people had a positive opinion on 4-FA as a replacement for MDMA or normal amphetamine. And that's from a country where the MDMA is probably better than anywhere else in the world...
Then on another note...what would you expect from a vendor handing out free samples? 4-FA is probably on the market for 15-20 years, why the fuck would a vendor be needing to give out free samples of an 'established' compound? It reeks like bullshit all over, more like a vendor coming up with a new compound - probably amphetamine-like - trying to get a cheap trial run by sending it out as free 4-FA.
Possibly, but it is more usual for vendors to send out their very best samples in order to lure people in to buy and then send out sub-standard products once the freebies have got attention. It seems commercially unsound to send out a dud knowing that it will be the subject of comment on forums.
3rd_I_blind
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I agree. However, it is quite easy to set up another webshop and make a fresh start. Of course this all remains speculative, but I still see no reason in providing free samples of 4-FA. I never had business with vendors sending out free shipments, and I probably would not trust them if they did. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book: Invest a few bucks to gain trust, than scam someone for 100x the initial investment.
mydrugbuddy
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I've still not tried my sample yet, will possibly try it with a few lagers on a night out this coming weekend. I dont think this vendor is a scam operation, they have been around a while, ive never had any problems with them, although i have heard of a few people with some gripes in the past.
It seems to me anyone expecting something to be "earth shattering" is bound to be disapointed. My first dose of mephedrone a couple of years ago was the last time i felt anything like that good off RCs/internet vendors. Found a few interesting or pleasant substances and combinations, and some total crap IME such as 4mec and b2. I'll be judging this 4fa against the amphetamine ive been getting recently.
It seems to me anyone expecting something to be "earth shattering" is bound to be disapointed. My first dose of mephedrone a couple of years ago was the last time i felt anything like that good off RCs/internet vendors. Found a few interesting or pleasant substances and combinations, and some total crap IME such as 4mec and b2. I'll be judging this 4fa against the amphetamine ive been getting recently.
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Hi loulou, you told me "not really" for sex or mdpv combo?... I remember how meph was good for sex, and I would like to make a comparison
If I go to the toilets, it would be better than meph, because at one point I could no longer concentrate on anything else urinating
If I go to the toilets, it would be better than meph, because at one point I could no longer concentrate on anything else urinating
Ohayou
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4FA solubility in propylene glycol or waterl?
The 4FA thread is just too big and I spent hours and couldn't find the answer. I have 1 gram of 4fa and i was to make volumetric doses. Does 4fa fully dissolve into propylene glycol or is it water soluble? An answer would be great, sorry if mods need to merge this.
The 4FA thread is just too big and I spent hours and couldn't find the answer. I have 1 gram of 4fa and i was to make volumetric doses. Does 4fa fully dissolve into propylene glycol or is it water soluble? An answer would be great, sorry if mods need to merge this.
Pretty sure it's water soluble (ok, i am sure) so just create a solution at your desired concentration. I would however probably try to store it as a powder rather than as a solution, in case it makes it deteriorate faster or anything. Maybe it's not completely HR friendly advice, but you can get away with eyeballing 4-FA rather than measuring it with mg scales, it's not "that" strong (for most people).
Do people think there's any chance that dogs trained to smell amphetamine would be able to smell 4-FA? I'm thinking this is unlikely, but i don't know much about chemistry etc, so just thought i'd ask!
Do people think there's any chance that dogs trained to smell amphetamine would be able to smell 4-FA? I'm thinking this is unlikely, but i don't know much about chemistry etc, so just thought i'd ask!
Ohayou
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^Thanks riklet, I'm going to go pick it up before class and I have 1 gram of it so what do you think of just eyeballing a dose the size of say...enoguh to smear on a pinky? I'd like to do about 50-80mg, what should i use to guess near this amount?
Did you weigh it yourself? Don't rely on your vendor. What if they eyeballed 1.7 grams in your bag?
Are you speaking of your pinky finger?
If you have to eyeball the substance (and know how much it is), divide the pile by two and repeat. Don't do this with substances where say 20 or 30 mg would do a big difference.
Are you speaking of your pinky finger?
If you have to eyeball the substance (and know how much it is), divide the pile by two and repeat. Don't do this with substances where say 20 or 30 mg would do a big difference.
Actually I find 4-fa makes me the most horniest of all drugs I have ever tried and gives me the best/most orgasms. I turn into some sex freak when i take it sometimes :/ which isnt my usual self. I say if you got the real stuff it will make your very horny if you let it. i think its way better for sex then meph.
Also on another forum there is a thread about 4-fa and how it increases libido. i think most stimulants do though.
hgwells
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over the last week I consumed 5g of 4fa from my favorite and only vendor. Thre is almost no comedown for me. I recently did a bit of a-pvp, and went into psychosis for almost a full 24 hours. I had to drink a lot to come off of it, so I was initially worried about the effects 4FA (someone told me they were alike)
Anyways
I feel great and I can sleep on it if I want, but if I don't want to, I can stay up and drone out looking at porn, or reading, or typing on this wonderful
website.
Highly recommended substance. Made me very horney. There were some pains and aches after the first two days, but it didn't bother me. Helps me with my thoughts at times, possible study aid. Heart rate slightly up, warmth in limbs. Did make me very cold on the fifth day. Complete loss of appetite,
might help me get even skinnier ( I know, gay boys.)
Snorting it hurts like a motherfucker but does the trick QUICK. I like eating it best. Plugging worked very well, less nausea. It's all gone, but I'm not scratching at my face waiting for more (even though I just bought a whole new shipment)
can't wait until it comes.
If you have specific questions, I would be happy to reply, just send me a note.
:D
Anyways
I feel great and I can sleep on it if I want, but if I don't want to, I can stay up and drone out looking at porn, or reading, or typing on this wonderful
website.
Highly recommended substance. Made me very horney. There were some pains and aches after the first two days, but it didn't bother me. Helps me with my thoughts at times, possible study aid. Heart rate slightly up, warmth in limbs. Did make me very cold on the fifth day. Complete loss of appetite,
might help me get even skinnier ( I know, gay boys.)
Snorting it hurts like a motherfucker but does the trick QUICK. I like eating it best. Plugging worked very well, less nausea. It's all gone, but I'm not scratching at my face waiting for more (even though I just bought a whole new shipment)
can't wait until it comes.
If you have specific questions, I would be happy to reply, just send me a note.
:D
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dkalnz
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In my experience, the highest quality 4-FA I've had dissolves in water very well and very fast. Some different vendors' 4-FA sometimes has little white "flakes" that take a little bit to dissolve. Not sure if it was impurities, a different synthesis route or otherwise. Overall I'd recommend a suspension in a small amount of water (~1oz) administered orally. In my group of friends we call these "Flux shots". Iced tea does the best job of masking the taste. Ive tried insufflating, and it works but I certainly am not capable of taking key bump after another nasally, it's just too much searing pain. Plugging is also a fantastic option with this chemical, but I think I'm predisposed to that ROA for stims because of my experience plugging Addy IR's. What I would not recommend is just dumping the powder on your tongue (too concentrated) or trying it sublingually. I got some pretty nasty burns from this chem on my gums one night.
Burnt the fuck out of my throat trying to chase it off foil. Won't be attempting that ROA again any time soon. Tiny little bump up the nose, feeling slightly stimulated. Will try out weighed oral dose tonight. (nose bump was what would fit on the end of a knife, looked to be about 10 - 20 mg)
Jesus, this stuff is MUCh stronger than I thought. I see people dosing 100+ mgs and that tiny little bump + the small ammount I smoked has me feeling reallyyyy good. Totally vibing these tunes... feels like everything in the world is okay.
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