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4-fluoro amphetamine + efexor/venlafaxine

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Ive been tempted to aquire some 4-fa/4-mp to be used as an amphetamine (street amp.) substitute. It would be used in recreational doses and also IVed quite often).

Im not too keen on the serotonin releasing properties some sources claim it posesses. Other sources claim its just a straight up DA/NA releasing stimulant like amphetamine. This makes me really confused... :(:|

Should 4-FA used as an amphetamine substitute?

How does i differ from its parent compound (amphetamine)? from the wievpoint of pharmacology and how different does it feel to normal amph.?

Why should a patient on a SNRI med who already has abused amphetamine over decade and will continue to do so should stay away from 4-FA than amphetamine?

thx
-LOV
 
If you really want a substitute for speed try MDPV. Although it's kinda illegal (on the medicine list) where you live.

Buphedrone could also be a reasonable option.
 
4fmp it has most certainly a strong serotonin component and a lack of NE effects, so it doesn't compare to speed in how it feels (it has been dysphoric twice and euphoric twice for me- in a faux mdma way, that was a bit shit when not combined with halucinogens)

buphedrone best option- though still lacking NE push but rush is fun and sex on it is mind blowjobbing. easy to sleep after also
 
dread said:
If you really want a substitute for speed try MDPV. Although it's kinda illegal (on the medicine list) where you live.

Buphedrone could also be a reasonable option.
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4-mp is on the medicine list here as well. MDPV is brilliant but whenever im playing with it i end up in huge binges and (of course) with all the ill side effects. Dont wanna mess around with it anymore. With amphetamine/meth i have at least somekind of control over my usage.

Buphedrone might be worth trying. Ill certainly into that, thx. MDPV is great but amphetamines are what im really into. I was on 90mg ritalin/day (no MPH at the moment) and have already been assured DARI/NARIs are not for me. Dexedrine i cant get coz my history of amp. abuse.

How about 4-FMA (4-fluoromethamphetamine) then? Its not listed here this far.

I got a vendor for 4-FMA but am not sure yet is it dodgy or reliable (untried).
 
Well I guess there's not much more to do to find out what substance mimics speed (amphetamine/meth) the best than to try out myself the options people have suggested. Thank's for that.

A pure stimulant is what is needed. I do not wish to experience serotonin syndrome or anything similar.

AFAIK 4-FMA has just hit the RC-market. It's newish but I really wonder why there isn't almost any information of it's pharmacology, descriptions how does it feel, trip reports etc. It's been available for some time already. I'm too concerned about not knowing anything about it's serotenergic properties to try it out.

Because of all that stated above and MDPV's legal status (where i live) a smallish amount of buphedrone is on it's way here. I can't wait to taste this stim.

Some people have said it's (buphedrone) a nice, mediocre stimulant strengthwise but lacks the euphoria you get with amphetamines. This worries me a bit. I fear it might feel like methylphenidate, which i have plenty of experience with and find dissapointing. Well, in a less than a week I will find out if this is an issue or not.
 
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I maybe going off-topic, but it always wonder me how sensitive about effects of new stuff speed users are, they are talking and talking - what amount of DA-NA-SERT and so on, worriying about side effects, while waiting for new drug to arrive. :)
 
buphedrone lacks an adrenal push- its clear calm chilled (and amazing for sex) whereas ethcathinone is all adrenal push. the two together would be very like amphetamine (personally not that good as separate). plus they have different halflives, you would be coming down from buphedrone while still high on ethcathinone.

both cause me (separately) to have an increased need to move quite a lot, buphedrone during the high, ethcathinone towards the tail end of a binge.

before you decry binge use of these substances they seem to have very mild recovery with short sharp bearable comedowns (used a gram of each during two separate binges) and little aftermath the next day as long as you get sleep. big difference from the 4methyl ephedrine induced extended comedown some people are getting which can leave you sleepless two days after the last of the parent drug has been finished. rough as suck
 
Most believe themselves to prefer vastly either DARIs or DA releasers. A minority enjoy both a great deal. It might be useful for people to give such context with trip reports (as PFH and others have).

I'd be interested in any studies on buphedrone, for receptor affinities, etc. Is it just from bioassays that we suspect DARI with a high selectivity for DA? What's with non-interference with hunger? Isn't DA activity the most potent of single-mechanism anoretic conditions (barring 5ht release, particularly concurrent with other monoamines, a la MDMA)?

I believe myself to reside very deep in the releasers camp (But I've only tried methylphenidate, coke, and MDPV, which all happen to be quite (nor)adrenergic). Comedowns, for me, depend on the duration of the compound and how adrenergic it is, not whether it effects mainly release or reuptake. I hope to report back with personal data. ;)

ebola
 
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i seem to get minor comedowns from cocaine, ritalin, mdpv, and terrible ones from releasers- methylone, amphetamine, 4 fluroamphetamine.

ethcathinone was odd as its a releaser of noradrenaline, and a weak reuptake inhibitor of dopamine (the comedown from this was not that bad initally but my attention span in the week after was low and i feel quite irritable though happy).

i'm a reuptake lover- they seem to give me a lush controllable high and short bearable (though uncomfortable) comedowns
 
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