4-FA can't be vaporized, can it?

[IamMe90]

I just read a trip report for 4-FA in which someone apparently vaped it and claimed it was to good effect.

I know nothing about pharmacology so i really have no idea, but this doesn't make any sense to me on its face, i don't see anyone vaping a ton of analogous compounds. i just assumed they were experiencing head rush that any smoke will get you and placebo. am i wrong?

 

[Solipsis]

Actually I have no real info on this other than that I am tempted to assume that 4-FA works pretty much the same as amphetamine in those respects only the doses are higher.

from another forum:

[...] amphetamine freebase as methamphetamine freebase is a liquid volantile oil, which will simply evaporate rather quickly about standing on air. It will crystallize (the little what does not evaporate) to form the carbonate (with the CO2 in air) which is even less smokeable then the sulfate.

It is possible though to keep the freebase in a closed bottle (preferably in the fridge) for some time until it decomposes. The freebase can be inhaled, just put a drop into a lightbulb, warm slightly and inhale the vapor.

The mush which is sold as "freebase" or "Paste" is probably either amphetamine.HCl which sucks water from the air for being hygroscopic or badly crystallized meth.HCl - almost oiled out.
[...]

Speed paste is not necessarily the HCl at all, it is apparently sometimes wet when it is freshly made but can dry out well. The paste is so wet, that doesn't happen from leaving it exposed to humid air, it's much too wet for that to be the case and I don't believe it.

Smoking amphetamine salts probably results in a lot of charring and not that great effects. The freebase might very well be caustic and damaging to your lungs. The effects might also be more crack-like in that the peak is fast and perhaps more short-lived and the addiction potential bigger.

From everything I can tell, I just wouldn't. With any amphetamine.

 

[IamMe90]

that's what I figured.

and yeah, I have no desire to smoke a stimulant, ever. I was just curious if this trip was full of shit or not haha.

 

[Solipsis]

I guess it's plausible as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TheAzo]

I'd be very surprised if it didn't work. 4-FA is stable enough that you don't have to worry much about decomposition. It doesn't have anything on it less stable than on amphetamine (that flourine sure isn't going anywhere), and amphetamine HCl works fine vaped.

Not that smoking stimulants is a good idea, but i'd expect it to be fully effective.

 

[Solipsis]

about it working fine vaped as the salt: amphetamine sulphate and carbonate not so much though IIRC. By that I mean
somewhat less for the sulphate and worse with the carbonate I think I read.

 

[Maelstrom Devnal]

I successfully vaporized 4-fa on few occasions.. It does melt, rolls and smokes just like amphetamine or methamphetamine hcl, the problem is it only works for about 60 minutes,
after which one has crazy desire to redose. If one would want to feel effects of redosing, the boost dose should be double of what previous one was.

-from 100mg vaporized through methpipe, adrenaline rush starts about 3 minutes after vaping..
during first 30 minutes i felt very delirious and uncomfortable, nodding out like i haven`t slept in days even though night before i slept for 8 hours, when i closed my eyes i was in wierd imaginary dream state yet still fully awake, but not really functional to go out.
drymouth and heavy bruxism lasted few hours, so did an occasional tunnel vision.
some strong euphoria, dopamine feeling of well being started to kick in right after unpleasant delirious half hour and lasted for approximately 20 minutes.
I got up from the couch to put some music on, hands felt shaky like after few cups of coffee,
i was flailing while trying to set up playlist, music sounded amazing though!! It felt like i wanted to hear 100 tunes in few minutes,
next thing i feel is my face and head is overheating, so i went to bathroom to splash some cold water on my face and head, my pupils were dilated, they looked like 2 black holes, my face also looked very flushed.after one hour effects started to wear off, urge to redose is crazy, i was pretty much tweaking for another dose.
Even though i didnt like the effects of it, i still wanted to redose...
Conclusion: Vaping 4-fa has much more negative effects than positive ones,
4-fa works better when one takes 150-200 mg oral does or 50mg IV. When its vaped there is no mdma like magick feeling, it feels more like speed, but with very short lived effects.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

As the B&D 4-FA thread is in OD, PD->OD.

Yes, Enactogen RCs are discussed here, but I'd count this one as a stim even if it has some serotonin action.

 

[Ralt]

I've vaped a LOT of 4-FA and 4-FMA. Shit sure gets your meth pipe disgusting though.

 

[Maelstrom Devnal]

I've vaped a LOT of 4-FA and 4-FMA. Shit sure gets your meth pipe disgusting though.

Vapor residue in the pipes stem was meth-like, except it was much less of it, residue in bowl after fa was vaporized was nasty grey/black.
and yes it did stink like pipe was in the hands of a dead man for awhile
although, i wouldn`t recommend vaping 4-fa, but if you decide to keep vaping it and you want to get rid of the nasty smell and ugly residue in bowl after vaporization,
just recrystallize(purify) your batch.
One could use same solvents and technique that one would use for meth recrystallization.
I dont know what vendors cut their shit with these days, but i never got pure 4-fa, and i tried maaaany vendors.
After DIY Purification, your shit gonna melt and burn with no residue or harsh smell.
I prefer to IV my recrystallized 4-FA.

 

[rm2x]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways wanted ti try sulphat/base, but in the early in AUSTRALIA THERE WAS A BIT SULPHATE AROUND