Experience profile:
First time with 4-FA.
Fairly inexperienced with straight-up stimulants. The few times I've taken amphetamine it's been with other drugs having been recently in my system, and I've never really gotten a feel for them on their own.
Moderately experienced with MDxx.
Experienced with MXE.
This was written during, anything I've added after are in [[square brackets]]. Given that this is a new substance to me, I decided to start with a small dose.
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t+0:00 - 10:30pm - 50mg 4-FA, plugged
t+0:45 - 11:15 - Gradual sense of buzzy, almost like a headache. But not quite. Pleasant almost. Remembering now to drink lots of water; I hadn't been so far tonight. (My standard procedure for substances.)
t+1:10 - 11:40 - Talkative, friendly. Had been fairly tired after not sleeping much the night before; quite awake now.
t+1:30 - 12:00 - Jaw tension, but urge to clench/grind is manageable. Shivery, but not cold.
t+1:45 - 12:15 - Has definitely had a subtle mood-lifting effect. Not wham in your face, not euphoria, but gentle nice feeling creeping up on you. Had been in a rather poor mood, and now am smiling to myself and feeling quite pleasant. Certainly not overwhelming and really rather natural feeling. (This could partially be attributed to having good talks with some friends, but that would likely have not happened without the 4-FA bumping up my sociability. We'll see now that everyone's gone to bed.) [[Good mood did indeed persist.]]
t+2:10 - 12:40 - Feeling sleepy again.
t+2:20 - 12:50 - Definitely feel like I could sleep. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. There's been no crash however, just a imperceptible glide into "hey, yeah, now it's done." No agitation or left over stimulation. Duration shorter than I'd expected, but this was also a small dose, and possibly close to threshold for me.
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Now, a reasonable person would say it's been a good night and go to bed, but I am apparently not a reasonable person, and I have things I want to do tonight. And so...
t+0:00 - 1:25 - 107mg 4-FA, oral
t+0:10 - 1:35 - 30mg MXE, sublingual
t+0:55 - 2:20 - Feeling the 4-FA buzz again, the slight headrush is familiar now. It is, in fact, pleasant. Also, I still have MXE under my tongue?!? It's gotta be all absorbed by now. It's like holding MXE-spit in my mouth is becoming a fetish, it's just so nice to have there! Joking aside, definitely feeling more of a "come on" than with the lower dose. Still not a one to take for the rush. Writing a letter, and words are flowing nicely. Although I have the desire to keep going back and elaborating on previous points and inserting more into what I had previously written. We shall see how coherent it turns out.
t+1:05 - 2:30 - Jaw's back at it. It's just gotta move. Additionally, I think I'm starting to feel the MXE come up.
t+1:30 - 2:55 - Definitely feeling the MXE, with slightly less coordinated typing and the sensation of distances being much greater than they visually are. There is definitely more euphoria, which tends not to be something I experience strongly from MXE on it's own (but, I tend to take MXE in higher doses primarily to get into dissociated/tripping mental states). Definitely more of the "good feeling for no good reason" than MXE alone, and slightly more manic and excited. Similar to a 5-APB experience that was just meh until I added MXE several hours after the original 5-APB dose. That was a higher dose, designed to bring on a dissociated state. (That trip was fantastic and somewhat out of the usual for my MXE trips, but I was hesitant to attribute the unusual effects to the 5-APB given how variable MXE can be anyways, but this seems to confirm now that those particular effects were from the 5-APB.) This should not be a high enough dose to put me onto significantly altered mental paths. [[4-FA did seem to produce a very similar effect. I was feeling highly creative on the 5APB/MXE combo, which wasn't present here, but I suspect set & setting to be the reason, as I was in an analytical, structured mindset due to needing to write a letter.]]
t+1:45 - 3:10 - Feeling good indeed. Have some upbeat trance playing. Seems to be a stronger euphoria/light mania from the combination than either alone.
t+1:52 - 3:17 - MXE vision is setting in, but not to the point where I need to close an eye yet. My heartbeat feels sort of slow and heavy. [[This didn't worry me. I suspect increased blood pressure, but it wasn't alarming.]]
t+1:55 - 3:20 - 4-FA makes me want to elaborate and explain things in detail. And my letter grows ever longer. But it is becoming harder to focus on it. This was too much MXE for what I wanted, I think. It is, however, still quite pleasant. Music is very immersive, and definitely feeling the desire to sway to it. [[Too much MXE to really focus on doing things, that is, not "oh shit too much" territory. As I said, when taken it's own that would be a lighter dose for me.]]
t+2:05 - 3:30 - I think I'm going to enjoy where this is taking me for a while. Sitting still and trying to focus on my letter (or even this) ends in staring blank-faced at my screen for minutes on end, so I'm just going to let myself enjoy the music and warm-blanket euphoria for a while.
t+2:10 - 3:35 - Before that could happen I had to go fill my water glass, which I have been not doing - self, if I bitch about headaches day after, this is why. Dehydration is serious business, and I've only myself to blame. [[That was avoided.]]
t+2:15 - 3:40 - This is almost like rolling. I really cannot stop shifting about to the music.
t+2:22 - 3:47 - It's better kept at "almost like rolling." After the previous realization, I decided to squirm around in bed with a blanket, but once I was there realized that it, really, wasn't gonna be a molly roll, and I felt kinda silly. So now I'm back at my computer, still wrapped in a blanket. Middle-ground, I think, is the teaching of the night: I'm having a fantastic time in my computer chair just sort of being wrapped up in a blanket, listening to dance music (Psytrance Euphoria 2 mixed by John '00' Fleming), swaying and moving a bit.
t+2:25 - 4:00 - And this, the second lesson of the night: allow yourself to enjoy "lite" versions of things for what they are, and they will become a unique experience itself. Example! This is lovely. A very molly-lite sort of feeling. Feeling very expressive, body sort of moving a bit on it's own accord to the music, but not so obsessed superfocus onto something as I get on MDMA. I can work on other things, like writing this trip report. There's a certain part of my head that is clear to work on things like this (and the letter to which I shall be getting back), and all the while having a little bit of a roll around the edges that I can dip into and that my body is enjoying while my mind toils away.
[[In retrospect, I may have been over exaggerating this. I rarely do MDMA (although I enjoy the hell out of it when I do), and I wasn't expecting really much euphoria from this at all, after my first dose earlier in the night. So I was rather surprised by the state, and very excited. I was certainly enjoying myself, however, and don't mean to minimize the experience. But it certainly wasn't anything like a real roll. As I said... it was different, and a very nice sort of thing all on it's own. Just lacking a better comparison.]]
t+2:45 - 4:20 - More water! I have a huge shit-eating grin plastered to my face. Incredibly euphoric with minimal being distracted by shiny lights. Okay, I was just about to say something about visualizers (shiny lights), and be all, "watching milkdrop a bit, but it's cool, but not entrancing." Then I stared at it for a bit and actually let myself get absorbed in it for a little while. Then broke right out of it when I wanted to, and have no trouble with it just being on the periphery of my vision. This combo lets you turn that off and on, which is nice.
t+3:05 - 4:40 - It's also just very humorous. Earlier, it definitely had a more analytical bent; now, everything is just amusing.
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Apparently, I forgot to save the rest of the report. Sigh. In short, it was tapering down around that point. Right then around 5:00 the euphoria was suddenly absent, but it still left me in a good, positive mood, not crashing. But the supper giddy, so happy to be happy feelings were gone. After the euphoria lifted, all I could feel of the stimulation effects most report was just a sense of alertness. I went to bed at around 6:00, fell asleep with no problem, and slept for a couple hours until I had to get up. The 4-FA pretty well covered up the MXE "janglies" that I get after the dissociation wears off and keeps me awake when I just want to be sleeping; or, maybe, it just kept me from the grumpy post-MXE wanting to sleep, heh.
The next day was fine. Some residual jaw tension. The first part of my day I was actually rather alert, and tiredness started to hit me around the middle of the day. And while that may have been an effect of the 4-FA, I suspect more the fact that I'd gotten very little sleep the past two days. Seemed like zero real crash. The next few days after have been fine, with no heavy negative mood swing.
Overall, I have really positive impressions of this drug. I should try it on it's own in with, I think, a 150-200mg dose to get a good sense of it, I suppose. However, it felt like the MXE was just giving it a bit of an extra kick, not overriding it. It seems like the smaller doses (50mg-80mg maybe) would be quite good as a mood lifter, without any (immediately apparent) negatives. (As with all RCs, I am NOT saying we have any idea of it used on a long term basis and how safe or unsafe it would be.)
Looking forward to further experimentations with this.
First time with 4-FA.
Fairly inexperienced with straight-up stimulants. The few times I've taken amphetamine it's been with other drugs having been recently in my system, and I've never really gotten a feel for them on their own.
Moderately experienced with MDxx.
Experienced with MXE.
This was written during, anything I've added after are in [[square brackets]]. Given that this is a new substance to me, I decided to start with a small dose.
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t+0:00 - 10:30pm - 50mg 4-FA, plugged
t+0:45 - 11:15 - Gradual sense of buzzy, almost like a headache. But not quite. Pleasant almost. Remembering now to drink lots of water; I hadn't been so far tonight. (My standard procedure for substances.)
t+1:10 - 11:40 - Talkative, friendly. Had been fairly tired after not sleeping much the night before; quite awake now.
t+1:30 - 12:00 - Jaw tension, but urge to clench/grind is manageable. Shivery, but not cold.
t+1:45 - 12:15 - Has definitely had a subtle mood-lifting effect. Not wham in your face, not euphoria, but gentle nice feeling creeping up on you. Had been in a rather poor mood, and now am smiling to myself and feeling quite pleasant. Certainly not overwhelming and really rather natural feeling. (This could partially be attributed to having good talks with some friends, but that would likely have not happened without the 4-FA bumping up my sociability. We'll see now that everyone's gone to bed.) [[Good mood did indeed persist.]]
t+2:10 - 12:40 - Feeling sleepy again.
t+2:20 - 12:50 - Definitely feel like I could sleep. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. There's been no crash however, just a imperceptible glide into "hey, yeah, now it's done." No agitation or left over stimulation. Duration shorter than I'd expected, but this was also a small dose, and possibly close to threshold for me.
-----
Now, a reasonable person would say it's been a good night and go to bed, but I am apparently not a reasonable person, and I have things I want to do tonight. And so...
t+0:00 - 1:25 - 107mg 4-FA, oral
t+0:10 - 1:35 - 30mg MXE, sublingual
t+0:55 - 2:20 - Feeling the 4-FA buzz again, the slight headrush is familiar now. It is, in fact, pleasant. Also, I still have MXE under my tongue?!? It's gotta be all absorbed by now. It's like holding MXE-spit in my mouth is becoming a fetish, it's just so nice to have there! Joking aside, definitely feeling more of a "come on" than with the lower dose. Still not a one to take for the rush. Writing a letter, and words are flowing nicely. Although I have the desire to keep going back and elaborating on previous points and inserting more into what I had previously written. We shall see how coherent it turns out.
t+1:05 - 2:30 - Jaw's back at it. It's just gotta move. Additionally, I think I'm starting to feel the MXE come up.
t+1:30 - 2:55 - Definitely feeling the MXE, with slightly less coordinated typing and the sensation of distances being much greater than they visually are. There is definitely more euphoria, which tends not to be something I experience strongly from MXE on it's own (but, I tend to take MXE in higher doses primarily to get into dissociated/tripping mental states). Definitely more of the "good feeling for no good reason" than MXE alone, and slightly more manic and excited. Similar to a 5-APB experience that was just meh until I added MXE several hours after the original 5-APB dose. That was a higher dose, designed to bring on a dissociated state. (That trip was fantastic and somewhat out of the usual for my MXE trips, but I was hesitant to attribute the unusual effects to the 5-APB given how variable MXE can be anyways, but this seems to confirm now that those particular effects were from the 5-APB.) This should not be a high enough dose to put me onto significantly altered mental paths. [[4-FA did seem to produce a very similar effect. I was feeling highly creative on the 5APB/MXE combo, which wasn't present here, but I suspect set & setting to be the reason, as I was in an analytical, structured mindset due to needing to write a letter.]]
t+1:45 - 3:10 - Feeling good indeed. Have some upbeat trance playing. Seems to be a stronger euphoria/light mania from the combination than either alone.
t+1:52 - 3:17 - MXE vision is setting in, but not to the point where I need to close an eye yet. My heartbeat feels sort of slow and heavy. [[This didn't worry me. I suspect increased blood pressure, but it wasn't alarming.]]
t+1:55 - 3:20 - 4-FA makes me want to elaborate and explain things in detail. And my letter grows ever longer. But it is becoming harder to focus on it. This was too much MXE for what I wanted, I think. It is, however, still quite pleasant. Music is very immersive, and definitely feeling the desire to sway to it. [[Too much MXE to really focus on doing things, that is, not "oh shit too much" territory. As I said, when taken it's own that would be a lighter dose for me.]]
t+2:05 - 3:30 - I think I'm going to enjoy where this is taking me for a while. Sitting still and trying to focus on my letter (or even this) ends in staring blank-faced at my screen for minutes on end, so I'm just going to let myself enjoy the music and warm-blanket euphoria for a while.
t+2:10 - 3:35 - Before that could happen I had to go fill my water glass, which I have been not doing - self, if I bitch about headaches day after, this is why. Dehydration is serious business, and I've only myself to blame. [[That was avoided.]]
t+2:15 - 3:40 - This is almost like rolling. I really cannot stop shifting about to the music.
t+2:22 - 3:47 - It's better kept at "almost like rolling." After the previous realization, I decided to squirm around in bed with a blanket, but once I was there realized that it, really, wasn't gonna be a molly roll, and I felt kinda silly. So now I'm back at my computer, still wrapped in a blanket. Middle-ground, I think, is the teaching of the night: I'm having a fantastic time in my computer chair just sort of being wrapped up in a blanket, listening to dance music (Psytrance Euphoria 2 mixed by John '00' Fleming), swaying and moving a bit.
t+2:25 - 4:00 - And this, the second lesson of the night: allow yourself to enjoy "lite" versions of things for what they are, and they will become a unique experience itself. Example! This is lovely. A very molly-lite sort of feeling. Feeling very expressive, body sort of moving a bit on it's own accord to the music, but not so obsessed superfocus onto something as I get on MDMA. I can work on other things, like writing this trip report. There's a certain part of my head that is clear to work on things like this (and the letter to which I shall be getting back), and all the while having a little bit of a roll around the edges that I can dip into and that my body is enjoying while my mind toils away.
[[In retrospect, I may have been over exaggerating this. I rarely do MDMA (although I enjoy the hell out of it when I do), and I wasn't expecting really much euphoria from this at all, after my first dose earlier in the night. So I was rather surprised by the state, and very excited. I was certainly enjoying myself, however, and don't mean to minimize the experience. But it certainly wasn't anything like a real roll. As I said... it was different, and a very nice sort of thing all on it's own. Just lacking a better comparison.]]
t+2:45 - 4:20 - More water! I have a huge shit-eating grin plastered to my face. Incredibly euphoric with minimal being distracted by shiny lights. Okay, I was just about to say something about visualizers (shiny lights), and be all, "watching milkdrop a bit, but it's cool, but not entrancing." Then I stared at it for a bit and actually let myself get absorbed in it for a little while. Then broke right out of it when I wanted to, and have no trouble with it just being on the periphery of my vision. This combo lets you turn that off and on, which is nice.
t+3:05 - 4:40 - It's also just very humorous. Earlier, it definitely had a more analytical bent; now, everything is just amusing.
----
Apparently, I forgot to save the rest of the report. Sigh. In short, it was tapering down around that point. Right then around 5:00 the euphoria was suddenly absent, but it still left me in a good, positive mood, not crashing. But the supper giddy, so happy to be happy feelings were gone. After the euphoria lifted, all I could feel of the stimulation effects most report was just a sense of alertness. I went to bed at around 6:00, fell asleep with no problem, and slept for a couple hours until I had to get up. The 4-FA pretty well covered up the MXE "janglies" that I get after the dissociation wears off and keeps me awake when I just want to be sleeping; or, maybe, it just kept me from the grumpy post-MXE wanting to sleep, heh.
The next day was fine. Some residual jaw tension. The first part of my day I was actually rather alert, and tiredness started to hit me around the middle of the day. And while that may have been an effect of the 4-FA, I suspect more the fact that I'd gotten very little sleep the past two days. Seemed like zero real crash. The next few days after have been fine, with no heavy negative mood swing.
Overall, I have really positive impressions of this drug. I should try it on it's own in with, I think, a 150-200mg dose to get a good sense of it, I suppose. However, it felt like the MXE was just giving it a bit of an extra kick, not overriding it. It seems like the smaller doses (50mg-80mg maybe) would be quite good as a mood lifter, without any (immediately apparent) negatives. (As with all RCs, I am NOT saying we have any idea of it used on a long term basis and how safe or unsafe it would be.)
Looking forward to further experimentations with this.
