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TR 4-AcO-MiPT #1
Title: Gray swamp of limbo and no trace of reality
Substance: 4-AcO-MiPT, Methoxetamine
Dosage: 25 mg 4-AcO-MiPT fumarate in capsule oral, 10+20+70 mg Methoxetamine in capsules rectal.
Personal data Male, 85kg, 178 cm, 27 years old , athletic, exercise daily, but some back pains and undiagnosed ADHD and cyclothymic (slightly bipolar)
Medications and addictions: none except vitamins.
Set & Setting: At home with close friend, good mindset
Rating: 7/10
Previous experiences:
* 2C-C (x2)
* 2C-D (x1)
* 4-ACO-DMT (x1)
* 4-HO-MET (x3)
* 5-APB (x1)
* Alprazolam (x2)
* Amphetamine (x1)
* DOC (x3)
* DOI (x1)
* Dichloropane (x2)
* Etizolam (x3)
* Kratom (x4)
* LSD (x1)
* Methoxetamine (x4)
* Methylone (x3)
* Modafinil (1 week)
* Shrooms (x3)
* Salvia (x1)
* Weed and hash (many times)
Substance appearance: yellowish powder (4-AcO-MiPT), very pure white powder (MXE)
Closest previous trip: 30 mg 4-HO-MET + 35mg MXE two weeks before
Tolerance: None
Sensitivity: Low
Addiction potential: Low for 4-AcO-MiPT, average for MXE
Main effects: From 4-AcO-MiPT: music appreciation, clear head
From MXE: disappearance of reality
Side effects: From 4-AcO-MiPT: none.
From MXE: nausea, body too warm and numb, poisonous feeling
After effects: afterglow with very elevated and chatty mood
Shulgin scale: ***
T +00:00
At home in midday, I took 25mg fumarate of 4-AcO-MiPT in capsule. Panda took 10mg+ 5-MeO-MiPT fumarate in capsule.
T +00:40
No visuals, music appreciation increased. Feel hunger and body tremor, despite room being warm. Some slight anxiety problems, not pronounced.
T +01:30
Mental state is very clear, can act almost normal. No visuals, music sounds lovely, is totally ok with just laying on bed and listening. Not much else happens.
T +01:45
Took MXE +10 mg in capsule in hope that visuals will kick in. Please note, this MXE batch seems to be of great quality, very pure and strong. My buddy had dissociation/vertigo even just from 15 mg.
T +01:50
We are looking at fence texture on LCD, and Panda trying to persuade me to see amazing visuals. I don’t see anything and try to explain to him, that I cannot, be he insists for me to just “concentrate” to see them. This is big problem with his opinions and mind: he cannot imagine other that what he feels or thinks can be totally different from reality or other people thoughts, intoxicated or sober. I try to explain this to him like for 100th time, but hardly can.
T +2:10
Still no visuals, took 20 mg Methoxetamine rectally in hope of seeing them.
T +2:40
I’m much dissociated (MXE was of very good quality) and fearless. MXE totally took over 4-AcO-MiPT action. Panda takes 70mg methylone orally. I understood that I’m just standing in the kitchen, but yet I’m much distanced from this world.
T +3:00
Panda saw cat walking in a hole in fence, and describing cat’s life to me: that cannot probably don't feel himself as conscious being and his life is simple. Later, Panda explained to me, that feeling of life under psychedelics feels so complicated, that life in sober state seems very simple in contrast. (Usually he complains life is too complex for him.)
T +3:10
Took 70 MXE rectally, mentally very ready to go into the hole. This was probably bad idea, but I thought: “I wanted to do this anyway, if not now, then when? Fuck it!”. Under MXE I don't experience doubt or fear, and Panda, being such indecisive and frightful person, was of not much help in stopping me. I read that MXE may have dopaminergic action, and this can cause binging (every time I did MXE I did binge a little, no binging at all on all other substances).
Dissociation was very strong, limbo-style again. Everything around me was like gray swamp that eats your feelings and makes you into emotionless machine.
I tried to explain this to Panda, how I smile and laugh, yet don’t feel emotions. I understand that I’m just standing in the kitchen, but yet I’m very distanced from this world. I tell him he looks like bug under microscope for me, and this is true to some extent. gthe floor with , I will not be able to stand on my feet soon.
T +4:20
I felt like very long time passed, laying on the floor dissociated. Tried to speak with Panda, but mostly couldn't. Most of my comments are similar to “I can’t understand anything, Where is my smartphone? How to use it? What is smartphone anyway?”.
During this time, time slowed down, and things like: “normal life”, “I took some substance” lost their meanings. I was not able to understand that states different from current exists. I felt slight kidney pain for a little, but it quickly passed. I vaguely remembered I had different life and some things in it, but it all felt irrelevant and meaningless.
I tried to understand if I overdosed, but was not able to remember, how much I took and if this is a lot. I was not able to grasp, what is “a lot” for this substance. I freaked a little, it was pretty dark and sad, maybe scary, but not totally terrible. I calmed myself with thought that when I dosed, I still understood something, and people probably have taken a lot more of MXE and survived.
I did not see any hallucinations, only darkness and absence of anything. Music played in the background, and it gradually faded away till only one sound was heard (track playing was of minimalistic kind). I think this was M-HOLE that lasted for a while, but without hallucinations, unfortunately. I felt like everything ceased to exist, except this one sound that becomes very lengthy and slow. This was very strong experience by any means, but I would not call it enjoyable or enlightening.
T +5:30
A bit less of dissociation, able to walk and speak, but still barely. Strong nausea and light sensitivity appeared, was barely able to speak, felt really bad. I felt left and right parts of my body differently, and this caused anxiety, because I had illness when this is relevant some time ago. I freaked I'm hurting myself using substance that causes all this nausea, kidney pain and body numbness.
It was very good my friend Panda was with me at this time, this reminded me that another, normal world still exists and was reassuring. Too bad, Panda was in later stage of methylone/5-MeO-MiPT experience, and was too busy listening to the music. When I tried to speak with him, it was easier to handle current “poisoned” state.
T +8:30
Went to shower, it was hard to do this, but manageable. Body was numb and it was hard to understand if water is cold or hot. Cold water felt actually better, I think. Ate some light meat and veggies, this helped me to return to “world of living”, although process of eating/drinking itself was a little painful.
T +9:30
Feeling normal, some physical disturbances like slight nausea, but mood is improving with every minute, becoming great at later stages. We watched some documentary about Scandinavian nature and had nice and fulfilling discussion about life, people, emotions and psychedelics. We were tired, but still spoke a lot. For me, MXE definitely have very enjoyable afterglow, and side effects disappear at this stage. (But this time, it could have been also 4-AcO-MiPT influence).
T +14:30
I went to sleep without problems.
Summary
Not much to say about 4-AcO-MiPT. This is pretty light and enjoyable tryptamine, not visual for me, as always (I need heroic dosages for visuals), but with nice music appreciation, similar to 5-MeO-MiPT for me. Headspace is very clear (for tryptamine), there were no deep feeling or emotions at all. I will certainly try this again in higher dosage, looks like a nice substance.
About MXE . I probably understand now how Ketamine fans feel, and what Hole/Holing is. This is certainly not for me. I appreciate small dosages of MXE for social interaction, but holing seems to be against my idea how people should live: interacting with others and not escaping from the world. I can't say I haven't learned anything in this experience, but this was pretty dark and heavy trip, not something I can recommend to anyone.
Next day my mood, awareness and surroundings appreciation was great, but in day after tomorrow, I experienced something like mild serotonin syndrome: high body temperature, body load, almost nausea etc. I later found similar cases reported online.
So, I think large quantities of MXE are toxic, at least subjectively. I, personally, doubt I will take hole dosage of MXE again, and I will space apart even small dosages. But afterglow is really nice, no doubt here.
Title: Gray swamp of limbo and no trace of reality
Substance: 4-AcO-MiPT, Methoxetamine
Dosage: 25 mg 4-AcO-MiPT fumarate in capsule oral, 10+20+70 mg Methoxetamine in capsules rectal.
Personal data Male, 85kg, 178 cm, 27 years old , athletic, exercise daily, but some back pains and undiagnosed ADHD and cyclothymic (slightly bipolar)
Medications and addictions: none except vitamins.
Set & Setting: At home with close friend, good mindset
Rating: 7/10
Previous experiences:
* 2C-C (x2)
* 2C-D (x1)
* 4-ACO-DMT (x1)
* 4-HO-MET (x3)
* 5-APB (x1)
* Alprazolam (x2)
* Amphetamine (x1)
* DOC (x3)
* DOI (x1)
* Dichloropane (x2)
* Etizolam (x3)
* Kratom (x4)
* LSD (x1)
* Methoxetamine (x4)
* Methylone (x3)
* Modafinil (1 week)
* Shrooms (x3)
* Salvia (x1)
* Weed and hash (many times)
Substance appearance: yellowish powder (4-AcO-MiPT), very pure white powder (MXE)
Closest previous trip: 30 mg 4-HO-MET + 35mg MXE two weeks before
Tolerance: None
Sensitivity: Low
Addiction potential: Low for 4-AcO-MiPT, average for MXE
Main effects: From 4-AcO-MiPT: music appreciation, clear head
From MXE: disappearance of reality
Side effects: From 4-AcO-MiPT: none.
From MXE: nausea, body too warm and numb, poisonous feeling
After effects: afterglow with very elevated and chatty mood
Shulgin scale: ***
T +00:00
At home in midday, I took 25mg fumarate of 4-AcO-MiPT in capsule. Panda took 10mg+ 5-MeO-MiPT fumarate in capsule.
T +00:40
No visuals, music appreciation increased. Feel hunger and body tremor, despite room being warm. Some slight anxiety problems, not pronounced.
T +01:30
Mental state is very clear, can act almost normal. No visuals, music sounds lovely, is totally ok with just laying on bed and listening. Not much else happens.
T +01:45
Took MXE +10 mg in capsule in hope that visuals will kick in. Please note, this MXE batch seems to be of great quality, very pure and strong. My buddy had dissociation/vertigo even just from 15 mg.
T +01:50
We are looking at fence texture on LCD, and Panda trying to persuade me to see amazing visuals. I don’t see anything and try to explain to him, that I cannot, be he insists for me to just “concentrate” to see them. This is big problem with his opinions and mind: he cannot imagine other that what he feels or thinks can be totally different from reality or other people thoughts, intoxicated or sober. I try to explain this to him like for 100th time, but hardly can.
T +2:10
Still no visuals, took 20 mg Methoxetamine rectally in hope of seeing them.
T +2:40
I’m much dissociated (MXE was of very good quality) and fearless. MXE totally took over 4-AcO-MiPT action. Panda takes 70mg methylone orally. I understood that I’m just standing in the kitchen, but yet I’m much distanced from this world.
T +3:00
Panda saw cat walking in a hole in fence, and describing cat’s life to me: that cannot probably don't feel himself as conscious being and his life is simple. Later, Panda explained to me, that feeling of life under psychedelics feels so complicated, that life in sober state seems very simple in contrast. (Usually he complains life is too complex for him.)
T +3:10
Took 70 MXE rectally, mentally very ready to go into the hole. This was probably bad idea, but I thought: “I wanted to do this anyway, if not now, then when? Fuck it!”. Under MXE I don't experience doubt or fear, and Panda, being such indecisive and frightful person, was of not much help in stopping me. I read that MXE may have dopaminergic action, and this can cause binging (every time I did MXE I did binge a little, no binging at all on all other substances).
Dissociation was very strong, limbo-style again. Everything around me was like gray swamp that eats your feelings and makes you into emotionless machine.
I tried to explain this to Panda, how I smile and laugh, yet don’t feel emotions. I understand that I’m just standing in the kitchen, but yet I’m very distanced from this world. I tell him he looks like bug under microscope for me, and this is true to some extent. gthe floor with , I will not be able to stand on my feet soon.
T +4:20
I felt like very long time passed, laying on the floor dissociated. Tried to speak with Panda, but mostly couldn't. Most of my comments are similar to “I can’t understand anything, Where is my smartphone? How to use it? What is smartphone anyway?”.
During this time, time slowed down, and things like: “normal life”, “I took some substance” lost their meanings. I was not able to understand that states different from current exists. I felt slight kidney pain for a little, but it quickly passed. I vaguely remembered I had different life and some things in it, but it all felt irrelevant and meaningless.
I tried to understand if I overdosed, but was not able to remember, how much I took and if this is a lot. I was not able to grasp, what is “a lot” for this substance. I freaked a little, it was pretty dark and sad, maybe scary, but not totally terrible. I calmed myself with thought that when I dosed, I still understood something, and people probably have taken a lot more of MXE and survived.
I did not see any hallucinations, only darkness and absence of anything. Music played in the background, and it gradually faded away till only one sound was heard (track playing was of minimalistic kind). I think this was M-HOLE that lasted for a while, but without hallucinations, unfortunately. I felt like everything ceased to exist, except this one sound that becomes very lengthy and slow. This was very strong experience by any means, but I would not call it enjoyable or enlightening.
T +5:30
A bit less of dissociation, able to walk and speak, but still barely. Strong nausea and light sensitivity appeared, was barely able to speak, felt really bad. I felt left and right parts of my body differently, and this caused anxiety, because I had illness when this is relevant some time ago. I freaked I'm hurting myself using substance that causes all this nausea, kidney pain and body numbness.
It was very good my friend Panda was with me at this time, this reminded me that another, normal world still exists and was reassuring. Too bad, Panda was in later stage of methylone/5-MeO-MiPT experience, and was too busy listening to the music. When I tried to speak with him, it was easier to handle current “poisoned” state.
T +8:30
Went to shower, it was hard to do this, but manageable. Body was numb and it was hard to understand if water is cold or hot. Cold water felt actually better, I think. Ate some light meat and veggies, this helped me to return to “world of living”, although process of eating/drinking itself was a little painful.
T +9:30
Feeling normal, some physical disturbances like slight nausea, but mood is improving with every minute, becoming great at later stages. We watched some documentary about Scandinavian nature and had nice and fulfilling discussion about life, people, emotions and psychedelics. We were tired, but still spoke a lot. For me, MXE definitely have very enjoyable afterglow, and side effects disappear at this stage. (But this time, it could have been also 4-AcO-MiPT influence).
T +14:30
I went to sleep without problems.
Summary
Not much to say about 4-AcO-MiPT. This is pretty light and enjoyable tryptamine, not visual for me, as always (I need heroic dosages for visuals), but with nice music appreciation, similar to 5-MeO-MiPT for me. Headspace is very clear (for tryptamine), there were no deep feeling or emotions at all. I will certainly try this again in higher dosage, looks like a nice substance.
About MXE . I probably understand now how Ketamine fans feel, and what Hole/Holing is. This is certainly not for me. I appreciate small dosages of MXE for social interaction, but holing seems to be against my idea how people should live: interacting with others and not escaping from the world. I can't say I haven't learned anything in this experience, but this was pretty dark and heavy trip, not something I can recommend to anyone.
Next day my mood, awareness and surroundings appreciation was great, but in day after tomorrow, I experienced something like mild serotonin syndrome: high body temperature, body load, almost nausea etc. I later found similar cases reported online.
So, I think large quantities of MXE are toxic, at least subjectively. I, personally, doubt I will take hole dosage of MXE again, and I will space apart even small dosages. But afterglow is really nice, no doubt here.
