4-AcO-DMT not working, what's wrong with me?

[amazing_shrooms]

Well, not totally true. I tried it few times. The first time I parachuted 25mg, which is a large dose, according to erowid, felt almost nothing. Less than a mild trip, only weak bodily sensations.
I gave it a week break, just in case I have a tolerance built up, taking no substances during that time. Then I repeated the attempt with 40mg (orally, gel capsule again). Felt NOTHING in 2 hours! At that point I redosed, snorting 20 mg. In a few minutes I finally got buzz in my head and after another 20 minutes I had a pretty mild mushroom-like trip. Very pleasant, but it only lasted 40-60 minutes. I snorted another 10mg, but only achieved some weak CEVs and no sleep until 4 am.
So, the total amount I took was 70 mg, 30mg of which was insufflated, which is supposed to be crazy.
I am male, thirties, 210 lbs. I usually need 4-4.5 grams of cubensis for a decent trip, so I understand I have a pretty large tolerance for psilocin, but 70 mg???
Does anybody else have similar experience with 4-AcO-DMT? And yes, I got the stuff from a reputable source -snip-.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I removed the source link from your post, we don't allow source discussion here. Just so you know, I'll be merging this with the main 4-AcO-DMT thread at some point, but being new you have a chance to reply here first

 

[porkstock]

i first tried 25 mg of the fumarate and found it to be pretty weak as well. 33 mg was a noticeable trip, but still on the weaker side, maybe a ++

what salt do you have?
do you take any SSRI's or other medications?
did you have a full stomach when you dosed 40 mg?

 

[asparks206]

I bet you didnt get what you paid for. I just tried some for the first time this weekend with a buddy of mine. I wanted to play it safe as neither of us had experimented with this substance so I dosed out 20mgs & split it into two lines, so I assume we each got 10 mg snooters +/- a mg either way. We both have prior experience with psychedelics & had a general idea of what to expect. Well, first of all, within a minute of insufflation, there was a noticable physiological change in my body, & by 20 minutes there was no denying that this was active, thats about when the major buzzing started. I want to write a trip report so I wont go into detail here, but the for the next fewhours, we both tripped balls. The visuals on this stuff were by far the most intense I've ever encountered & I went through a period of derealization that almost had me lose it completely. I momentarily forgot everything I'd ever learned or how it made sense. I've heard this material can degrade quickly, so maybe you got an old batch. I guess I should also add it was the fumarate. Theres no way you took as much as you did & still claim to be sane if you have legit product

 

[Axed]

^Totally know that amnesic effect where you can't remember anything, including that you've taken drugs. Makes you feel like you're going crazy. Or dying.

But I agree, I think you got bad product. Most people can have at least a +++ off of 25mg, if not more.

 

[IamMe90]

Wrong, asparks. Some people really do react differently. I've been in the scene for a while and have plenty of connections, and I've used confirmed legitimate 4-aco-dmt on more than one occasion to very, very little effect given the dosages. The first time I tried 4-aco-dmt I took 40mg orally and insufflated 60mg about t + 30m into the trip. The trip was reminiscent of 3.5g of average cubensis. The second time, I took 100mg orally and the trip was slightly less intense. I know of several other RC users that have been doing this for a long time as well that report similar idiosyncratic inactivity with 4-aco-dmt. Who knows what it is, but some of us just appear to be hardheaded with this chem.

 

[RobotRipping]

i've had 4-aco-dmt fumarate from several different vendors. Sometimes i would get a shitty product where i had to dose 30-45mg for psychedelic effects and with other orders i found 15mg to be a satisfying trip and 30mg to be overly intense. I definitely think it's a quality control issue more so than hard headedness. If you took 100mg and it wasn't intense then your tolerance is massive or your 4-aco-dmt was shit.

 

[IamMe90]

It's not shit 4-aco-dmt, lol... I can promise you it was from the MAIN legitimate source that everyone got their 4-aco-dmt from last year that gave a lot of people powerful trips off of ~25mg ranges... I'm sure a lot of people know what source that is. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that some people have idiosyncratic resistances of some kind with chems like 4-aco-dmt given the frequency of reports you get on here where mushrooms just didn't affect someone's friend, etc. Weird shit happens, it's psychedelia man.

 

[RobotRipping]

i'm sure it's possible, but did you try multiple vendors? I've received great quality and terrible quality RC's from the same reputable vendors across NA so i think it's a possibility. And the number of times i've had shitty shrooms that didn't work is not funny but every single time where i knew the grower and how they were grown i've always had a strong trip. i seriously doubt there are that many people who don't experience effects from mushrooms that were grown properly.

it's not hard to believe that some people don't experience effects but it's also not hard to believe that RC's sold by any vendor can vary in quality. If you tried different batches from the same vendor or tried different vendors over a period of time then this idiosyncratic resistance would seem more likely.

 

[amazing_shrooms]

Thanks for all your replies!

To clarify some issues:

• that was the fumarate
• I don't take any medications
• my stomach was not full, but it was not totally empty either (2 hours since the last meal)

I also forgot to mention that my wife (130 lbs) dosed 22 mg orally at the same time I took 40 mg and she reported a mild trip (++). She also reported it did not feel like shrooms, but she never tried less than 3.5 g cubensis, so she is probably not aware of what low dose psilocin feels like.
I believe I should try another vendor, like many of you suggested. In my defense I should say the reviews on the vendor's site are very positive about this particular batch, but who really knows.

 

[IamMe90]

i'm sure it's possible, but did you try multiple vendors? I've received great quality and terrible quality RC's from the same reputable vendors across NA so i think it's a possibility. And the number of times i've had shitty shrooms that didn't work is not funny but every single time where i knew the grower and how they were grown i've always had a strong trip. i seriously doubt there are that many people who don't experience effects from mushrooms that were grown properly.

it's not hard to believe that some people don't experience effects but it's also not hard to believe that RC's sold by any vendor can vary in quality. If you tried different batches from the same vendor or tried different vendors over a period of time then this idiosyncratic resistance would seem more likely.

Yes, I have tried multiple vendors, each batch having been confirmed by others as being the correct potency and a friend who personally sampled out of my batch one time and reported normal effects. Like I said, been in the scene long enough to make sure I've had at least one legitimate shot at the chem before writing it off. Dunno what else to say, tho.

 

[amazing_shrooms]

Yes, I have tried multiple vendors, each batch having been confirmed by others as being the correct potency and a friend who personally sampled out of my batch one time and reported normal effects. Like I said, been in the scene long enough to make sure I've had at least one legitimate shot at the chem before writing it off. Dunno what else to say, tho.

This is very interesting, indeed. The intensity of the trip is comparatively very low for you, can you say the same about the length?
Because for me it's like ... the opposite. The trip is very long (8+ hours), which combined with low intensity makes it very annoying (for me low-intensity psilocin trips are usually pretty depressing, the opposite of fun).

This all makes me wonder if it somehow caused by my non-standard metabolism. Could it be that my body converts psilacetin into psilocin at a very low speed, which causes low trip intensity and prolonged trip time? Can somebody with background in chemistry/biochemistry comment on this?

 

[jookie]

Hm. I know quite a few 4-aco-dmt (not specifically) vendors who have sent out samples of it only to find very disappointing results. I recall one individual saying 50mg provided almost nothing and took up to 150mg to get something out of it. This was reported by more than one person for each of these vendors so it's possible it could be impure if you got this 4-aco-dmt around 1-3 months ago.