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4-AcO-DMT - First Time - 4-aco-DMT trainwreck

Nootrope

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31 y/o male. Very experienced tripper. 50+ mushroom trips, many above 10g dry (cubensis). 5 LSD trips. A few DMT vapes. 15ish Salvia 25x.

Very experienced meditator. I know how to keep my shit together.

Ordered 1g of 4-aco-DMT from an online vendor trusted by others. Allergy tested by using a Hayman spatula to take out a tiny amount and eat it. A few hours of slight warping. Just enough to know that it works.

Next day, took out as much as possible from small bag for storage in another container. Used spatula to scrape out every last bit.

Didn't want to waste the residue left in the bag. Couldn't be more than a few mg, surely? Probably not even a psychedelic dose. Only way to recover it is to fill the bag with water and pour it down the hatch. <-- In case it needs to be said, don't ever do this. I'm an idiot.

Dosed at 7:45 pm

t+5: Feeling slight "drunkenness" like the onset of a mushroom trip. Placebo? It's only been 5 min after all.

t+10: Definitely not placebo. Colors brightening, things starting to sway, getting a little hard to walk. Getting excited.

t+15: Decide to go for a walk in the park just outside my apartment. Very powerful visuals. The trees look otherworldly and incredibly beautiful. Similar to mushrooms, but not identical.

t+22: Wife calls. I let her know what's up, but can't seem to remember how to make any sort of conversation, or even how to apologize for being unable to make conversation. Or what conversation is. So I just say "sorry" and she wishes me luck.

t+25: Decide I'm going to complete one loop of the ¼ mile walking path. It's lined with beautiful trees that I've wanted to see while tripping. Feel like I'm on Rainbow fucking Road.
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About 1/10th of the way around, I get the powerful sense that this is a dream. Only dreams are this surreal and visually striking. I know that it's not a dream, but start questioning my ability to keep it that way. Never had such a powerful ramp up from anything.

Decide it's time to make the one minute walk back home while I still can.

t+30: Lie down in my darkened room. Put on my fantastic headphones and load up some Solar Fields for a smooth ride. Sounds delicious. CEVs are out of control. Vision tiled with gorgeous fantastic patterns undergoing rapid and brilliant color cycling. Very lifelike.

t+45: Body load is getting uncomfortable. Hard to describe. Sweating, tear stream, headache, disorientation. Gets bad enough that I have to take off headphones and go fetal.

t+60: Fetal is no longer comfortable. Nothing is comfortable. My mind is in a very strange and unpleasant place* I know from strong previous trips, but nothing I can't handle. My main concern is finding a remotely comfortable position. The thought crosses my mind: when you don't have the fetal position, what do you have?

From there, the discomfort starts skyrocketing. I've never felt anything like this, even on 10g+ mushroom trips. What the hell did I eat?

I realize that I'm in "call an ambulance" territory, but what in the shit am I going to tell them? Ate an unknown amount of 4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine. How much? "One bag lick." Great, asshole, here's some thorazine. Sleep it off.

No thanks. I'd rather die with some dignity. In my underwear in a dark room.

I have Xanax handy, and know it's used to abort trips, but I assume that's for the mental component, which I can handle. How will it interact with this unusual body load?

t+75: Feels like it's been ages, and it's just getting more painful. Check my trip clock. You must be fucking kidding.

"Didn't want to waste any," he said. What. A. Jackass.
Great tombstone: "Licked the bag."

The main concern, again, is that I've never experienced similar symptoms on mushrooms (or anything else), nor have I read any similar reports online. So just where in hell is this going?

From now til t+120 I'm just basically waiting it out. My extensive meditation practice allows me to keep calm even in the midst of the vicious onslaught. My mind is not wandering or panicking. I'm present and alert for the most part, with bouts of merciful zoning out. During this time I'm also texting a few friends to let them know what's up. Flawless spelling and grammar as always. Make sure to communicate what I took and where to find it in my house, should the need arise later. Yeah, morbid.

t+120: Physical effects start to subside. I realize I've passed the worst of it. At this point there's no interest in psychedelia… if there even is any. Like with mushroom trips, while I may be strongly under the influence, the feeling is one of perfect clearheadedness. No visual effects as far as I can tell. Just happy to be alive.

t+120 - t+240: Just relaxing and appreciating being alive.

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* I might as well describe this "strange place". There's a threshold of mental psychedelia which, once crossed, is like Vegas: what happens there stays there. I can opt to not enter that depth, or choose to enter... but if I enter, "the trip" makes me swear on blood oath (or sanity oath?) that what happens in there will never be communicated to a mortal (myself included).

And indeed, all that I'm able to remember upon coming out is, "that's fucking impossible." Any attempts to bring stuff back with me are met with swift and dire consequences, the way a bouncer might do. No photos inside this place. Maybe even "if you want to touch, you have to pay." I've learned the hard way (on an acid trip) to know my place.
 
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I'm moving this to Trip Reports. Thanks for sharing. Sounds uncomfortable. I've had my share of trips where I thought I needed to call the ambulance, I have even thought for a time that the appropriate course of action was to kill myself so my soul would survive (fortunately I did not think this fully). Sometimes trip are really intense.
 
Eat some of the Xanax and it'll relax your worries away. It'll be fine with the BL as long as you do enough not to care!;) Seriously though, it won't do any harm. Well, look at it this way, you learned your first lesson with RCs. Never assume anything. First of get a scale(it's unclear if you have one...), you'll never eyeball these chemicals safely. At best you reach the other side safely, at worst..... Bags can be tricky because looking at it, you'll think, "Comparitively it looks like there can't be that much powder in there!", but if you think of it in mathematical terms, a few inch bag that contained one gram of a sticky substance could easily have a hundred mgs or more stuck to it.

The best you can do is have some Xanax, or some drinks, and ride it out. You'll be fine though, 4-AcO-DMT seems really pretty safe. I've personally dosed up to one hundred mgs of it before and know someone who dosed even more by accident. Crazy trips but both ended up fine.
 
Excellent trip report.
Could elaborate on what this "strange place" is?

I can try, but I'm not sure I'll capture it. Even worse, it may be (and I hope it is) unique to me, and I don't want to plant too many scary seeds.

When the trip gets deep enough, I have the choice to basically accept completely losing contact with the "real world," with no guarantees that it will remain just as I left it. Of course, everyone knows that you always come back, but on what basis can you identify whether the world you came back to is the one you left? Memory and reasoning certainly aren't going to cut it.

That said, if I do accept the invitation to go where sanity cannot enter -- to fully enter "the trip" -- an overwhelming world opens up that may best be described as "forbidden pleasure."

The "strange place" is when I remember that this is how it works. That "the trip" isn't just a strange modification of mind as I know it, but something that should be entirely impossible. I know I'm far from the first psychonaut to notice this, but for whatever reason I have no intention of being the guy with "that gleam" in his eye for the rest of my life.

As for Xanax: I assume it's mostly to ease the mind of its worries or discomfort. I wasn't having a "bad trip" in the classic sense, but what I felt was a genuine worry for my health. I know tryptamines are safe, but who knows what's in the bag?
 
Also, follow up: I waited three days and then took 25mg of the same batch. It was a fairly mild trip, like I might get off of 1/8th of cubensis. Much less body load, but still unpleasant. This may not be the substance for me.
 
I realize that I'm in "call an ambulance" territory, but what in the shit am I going to tell them? Ate an unknown amount of 4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine. How much? "One bag lick." Great, asshole, here's some thorazine. Sleep it off.

No thanks. I'd rather die with some dignity. In my underwear in a dark room.

Wow ... !! I like your style. Write a novel and I'll buy it =D
 
I can try, but I'm not sure I'll capture it. Even worse, it may be (and I hope it is) unique to me, and I don't want to plant too many scary seeds.

When the trip gets deep enough, I have the choice to basically accept completely losing contact with the "real world," with no guarantees that it will remain just as I left it. Of course, everyone knows that you always come back, but on what basis can you identify whether the world you came back to is the one you left? Memory and reasoning certainly aren't going to cut it.

That said, if I do accept the invitation to go where sanity cannot enter -- to fully enter "the trip" -- an overwhelming world opens up that may best be described as "forbidden pleasure."

The "strange place" is when I remember that this is how it works. That "the trip" isn't just a strange modification of mind as I know it, but something that should be entirely impossible. I know I'm far from the first psychonaut to notice this, but for whatever reason I have no intention of being the guy with "that gleam" in his eye for the rest of my life.

As for Xanax: I assume it's mostly to ease the mind of its worries or discomfort. I wasn't having a "bad trip" in the classic sense, but what I felt was a genuine worry for my health. I know tryptamines are safe, but who knows what's in the bag?

I know that place you are talking about.. I reached it once and it was wierd cuz it was my 1st experiance with psychedelics and a unusually high dose of 25B-NBOMe (1.25mg normal dosage is 0.25-0.5mg) the guy just dosed as for a 25I-NBOME INTENSE. Getting there makes you learn alot about reality and what consciousness is all about; perception.

As for the Xanax it could have eased the physical discomfort since it is a muscle relaxer too, altho clona would be better for that. As a trip ender I suggest ATARAX (Hydroxyzine) great to get to sleep and calm the mind, it also blocks the receptor that stimulates you and makes you hallucinate.

Also if you want to know what you have in the bag buy an ehrlich test which detects indole structures.
 
Incredibly fascinating. I literally LOLed at your humor.

lessons learned, huh?
 
Nice report :)

Next time your cut the bag open with some scissors, and scrape the insides with a razor or a credit card. You´ll be surprised how much can stick to the inside.
 
"when you dont have the fetal position what do you have?" sooooo true for tripping hahaha

always keep in mind puking
 
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