RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[Molecular_Man]

Overall a bad candidate and a generally bad idea. It "can" be used in a functional manner but IMO does a far worse job than conventional amphetamine or methamphetamine, most non-serotonergic amphetamine derivatives, or -phenidates.


And meanwhile, as is widely reported, it's rather insidious in its compulsiveness. It's a perfectly good recreational chemical but in my opinion opening yourself up to daily/more-frequent use as functional usage implies is exposing yourself to both greater risk and lesser reward than another stimulant. Really IMO the only stimulants less suited for functional use are the cathinones.

If you do decide to give it a sho anyways, try to keep yourself limited to oral doses of less than 60mg--probably best in the 30-40mg range--and avoid same day redosing (and especially redosing within 1-2 hours, when the compulsiveness is greatest). If you manage this you'll be able to achieve a minimally-disruptive background stimulation. If you fall into the trap of dosing higher or more frequently you'll likely find yourself even less productive than with no stimulant at all.

Most other stimulants have at least some scaleability to their functional effects--meaning that higher doses will at least amplify your task-orienting further, even if the hyperfocus starts to get in the way at some point. But in my opinion 3-fpm is essentially counterproductive to getting work done at any dose that provides greater subjective stimulation than a cup of coffee.

Nice analysis.. Why do you believe this is happening? Maybe because 3-FPM acts more as a dopamine releaser than as a noradrenaline releaser? Perhaps, the 'golden' balance between DA and NA activity, is not here with 3-FPM as it is in 2-FMA or MPA for example?

And yes HyperFocus! 2-FMA and to a lesser extent MPA can give the Hyper-Focus effect. Don't know from experience about methamphetamine but I believe its effect would be similar.

I read somewhere that a cathinone like buphedrone can be "functionalized" by combining a pure noradrenergic agent like DMAA (methylhexanamine, geranamine) or something from the modafinil family.

I would like to hear your opinion on if this is valid and if this combo can be applied to 3-FPM.

If not, then I must question the functionality of 4F-MPH. I hope it is not like 3-FPM.

 

[grue]

Perhaps the flu-like symptoms some people encounter after taking a lot are related to impurities in the material. Has anyone had their stuff analyzed for heavy metal contamination?

 

[InterestingFACT]

Has anyone tried the (nope) product including 3FPM and NM2AI?

Let's stay away from discussing branded products. Also, why would anyone want to try that combination? NM2AI is widely disliked and there's no reason that combining it with another chemical would do anything but being that chemical down.

 

[Ziiirp]

I recently combined 3-FPM with 2-FA and unfortunately it potentiated each other more than I thought. Oddly, only the psycho-stimulating effects increased a lot, while the physical effects remained the same, as if I just took one of them. It seemed to me, that the 2-FA was a lot stronger. Maybe I had a big tolerance only to the 3-FPM, because I did not take amphetamines for several months before.

Doses were ~250mg 2-FA (only orally) and ~150mg 3-FPM (only insufflated) in a 20 hour period. I was awake for 60 (have taken the first dose 7 hours after waking up) hours. Working in the last fifth of this period, loool ... was not planned like that.

The psychological burnout was much more pronounced than the physiological (as usually with 3-FPM solo).

My impression is, that 2-FA is much stronger than 3-FPM, although I estimated, that they have to be about equipotent.

 

[mike.vick]

THis shit has got to be terrible right? Never tried it but has to be worse than coke right? I love/like coke but all other stims suck.


And RC ones leave you mutated

 

[crOOk]

I've been experienced no eurphoria/rush from nasal doses up to 120mg and vaped doses to ~50mg. How much product should I vape when aiming for some euphoria?
200-300? I would be smoking of foil, I am assuming I am wasting product if the 3-fpm starts boiling, right? Will be super careful next time...

//Edit: I should mention that I didn't get a rush from vaped hex-en either (still craving for more), but it looks like there are multiple people with the same issue. Some claimed mixing it with alcohol
would help with that regard but for me it didn't do anything either. I'll probably pop 1mg etiz and then vape a good amount of 3-fpm and report back. Is it possible that my brain
chemistry prevents a rush? I felt no euphoria/rush from coke either (I shared it with some mates who told me it was fire), there is no way I have such a high tolerance to stims that
I can't feel a rush. If the vaping doesn't satisfy me either, I'll probably take a big stim break and give my brain some time to catch up again. It's so weird...

Well some of us find their sweet spot to be around 500mg IV with 250mg producing lackluster results. That being said, I would strongly disadvise you to go down that road. Chasing the rush of stimulants, be it cocaine or 3FP requires very heroic doses that will not only leave you stimulated for an eternity, but is also putting your body under enormous stress, evening the wa for cardiovasular incidents. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am about not keeping any of these substances stashed anymore. It's russian roulette with a needle (same goes for foil I suppose).

 

[iRavage]

Well some of us find their sweet spot to be around 500mg IV with 250mg producing lackluster results. That being said, I would strongly disadvise you to go down that road. Chasing the rush of stimulants, be it cocaine or 3FP requires very heroic doses that will not only leave you stimulated for an eternity, but is also putting your body under enormous stress, evening the wa for cardiovasular incidents. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am about not keeping any of these substances stashed anymore. It's russian roulette with a needle (same goes for foil I suppose).

I am definitely not reordering any 3-fpm or hex-en once I run out, if a-php won't satisfy me I am done with stims... I placed an order for 5g due to the upcoming blanket ban in Germany and won't be able to (legally) buy any good stims once it hits us. It's just so hard to quit a stim habit once you got used to it... I bet you know what I am talking about

 

[mike.vick]

If this was like cocaine, or as good, everyone would buy it right?

 

[Ziiirp]

This one is not even on par with pure racemic amphetamine. But for me it is better than any synthetic DRI.

It has few side effects while on it, but HORRIBLE after effects. When it is gone, nobody will miss it.

 

[mike.vick]

This one is not even on par with pure racemic amphetamine. But for me it is better than any synthetic DRI.

It has few side effects while on it, but HORRIBLE after effects. When it is gone, nobody will miss it.

Why do people do this? speed is cheap af

 

[InterestingFACT]

Why do people do this? speed is cheap af

I don't know what he's talking about, but I know quite a few people that prefer this drug to speed, coke, AND meth. I know people who don't even like doing stimulants but will do this all night if given the chance.

It's simply false to say that it's not well-liked. It's "very" well-liked.

Which doesn't mean it doesn't have side effects or consequences of use.

 

[mike.vick]

I don't know what he's talking about, but I know quite a few people that prefer this drug to speed, coke, AND meth. I know people who don't even like doing stimulants but will do this all night if given the chance.

It's simply false to say that it's not well-liked. It's "very" well-liked.

Which doesn't mean it doesn't have side effects or consequences of use.

So tell me, better than coke? How similar? Could I have theoretically bought a bag of this and, if someone told me it was coke, not know the difference?

 

[Ziiirp]

I don't know what he's talking about, but I know quite a few people that prefer this drug to speed, coke, AND meth. I know people who don't even like doing stimulants but will do this all night if given the chance.

It's simply false to say that it's not well-liked. It's "very" well-liked.

Which doesn't mean it doesn't have side effects or consequences of use.

Best post ever.

 

[Ziiirp]

Why do people do this? speed is cheap af

Because it is very overhyped and side effect free during the experience. But it causes vasculitis (like phenmetrazine itself) accompanied by flu-like symptoms as after effects and is hardly a stimulant. It is more an euphoriant in ultra high doses.

If you get hurting feet, legs, hands and numb arms + insidious headaches (more like brain zaps) ~48h after the last dose, you know, you were sold 3-FPM instead of your stimulant of choice.

 

[InterestingFACT]

So tell me, better than coke? How similar? Could I have theoretically bought a bag of this and, if someone told me it was coke, not know the difference?

It's not very similar to coke. It's pretty unique, as far as stimulants go.

You'd probably like it--most people do--but you don't get very "speedy" on it.

And it's virtually side effect and comedown free during the experience, but has a "long term comedown" people notice with flu-like symptoms possibly caused by vasculitis or an immune response, as Ziirp noted. Of course these things get worse among injection users or smokers. Best just to take large oral bolus doses or snort it.

Big problem is it's so expensive compared to other stimulants, and meanwhile is useless functionally and too compulsive to keep around without rapidly using it all up.

 

[Ziiirp]

On point description by InterestingFACT imho.

But I thought it would be similar to Coke in effects. Is Coke more or less stimulating than 3-FPM ?

 

[Molecular_Man]

Personal Report: 20 mg 3-FPM + 200 mg of L-theanine (all per os) seems to work ok for functional reasons. Less anxiety and better focus. Not hyper-focus but ok.

 

[mike.vick]

IMO coke is more stimulating (but the stimulation has less "legs") and more "ego-boosting" but similarly prosocial. That's the main similarity, In my experience, they're both very good social lubricants. Basically, they're about the best stimulants to just redose every periodically with a group of friends while just chatting the night away.
Coke requires more frequent redoses, though, IMO, so is slightly more "distracting" from conversation. This is probably part of why some of my friends prefer 3-fpm--they just see it as the best stimulant to do in social situations, which is the only circumstance they really use stimulants.

I'm getting half a gram of coke in a couple days - psyched. Iv always disliked research chems except bkmdma over mdma

 

[crOOk]

I am definitely not reordering any 3-fpm or hex-en once I run out, if a-php won't satisfy me I am done with stims... I placed an order for 5g due to the upcoming blanket ban in Germany and won't be able to (legally) buy any good stims once it hits us. It's just so hard to quit a stim habit once you got used to it... I bet you know what I am talking about

Could you please supply a link about the new BtmG changes? That's devastating. Would explain why customs has been keeping my 3F-PM for 4 weeks now. Fuck them. Will it apply to dissociatives too?? Shit fuck cock ass piss cunt.

EDIT: Ok it seems all stimulants will be outlawed on June 17th. That's fucked. I couldn't find info cause it's not the 32nd addition to the BtmG. At least it won't apply to dissociatives. Let's see if customs decides to send me my 3FPM in the next two weeks - unlikely I suppose. Here's the document for all Germans among us: http://www.bmg.bund.de/fileadmin/da...e_und_Verordnungen/GuV/N/GE_NpSG_Kabinett.pdf

 

[mike.vick]

Could you please supply a link about the new BtmG changes? That's devastating. Would explain why customs has been keeping my 3F-PM for 4 weeks now. Fuck them. Will it apply to dissociatives too?? Shit fuck cock ass piss cunt.

EDIT: Ok it seems all stimulants will be outlawed on June 17th. That's fucked. I couldn't find info cause it's not the 32nd addition to the BtmG. At least it won't apply to dissociatives. Let's see if customs decides to send me my 3FPM in the next two weeks - unlikely I suppose. Here's the document for all Germans among us: http://www.bmg.bund.de/fileadmin/da...e_und_Verordnungen/GuV/N/GE_NpSG_Kabinett.pdf

They keep germany controlled as fuck now after wwii