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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

I'm looking to attempt a functional dose. I insufflated 10+mg and didn't feel much of anything. Is that weird? Thinking of trying 20mg oral next...
 
"My minds tellin' me no, but my body, my body's telling me.."

Will be a couple days but I'll let you know how it works out
 
adder said:
I suppose the addition of MXP is to even potentiate 3F-phenmetrazine. I once took amphetamine with ephenidine in a 1:5 ratio, the high seemed both more dopaminergic and less focused. Yet methoxphenidine seems a bit different from the rest of the bunch.
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If my memory serves well, dissociatives like ketamine, MXE etc are NMDA antagonists and upregulate dopamine receptors.

Concurrent use means that we are having dopamine system overload with all the effects and side-effects.

Harm reduction and simple pharmacological logic commands dissociatives to be used (if desired) on the off-period from CNS stimulants (NA, DA acting) not together.
 
Of course Molecular Man, I'm just interested in the ratios of a new branded chemical as an IV user i like to avoid the adulterants if possible
 
Molecular_Man said:
If my memory serves well, dissociatives like ketamine, MXE etc are NMDA antagonists and upregulate dopamine receptors.

Concurrent use means that we are having dopamine system overload with all the effects and side-effects.

Harm reduction and simple pharmacological logic commands dissociatives to be used (if desired) on the off-period from CNS stimulants (NA, DA acting) not together.
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NMDA antagonists prevent calcium influx (oops!)--this a mechanism by which tolerance to dopaminergic drugs is acquired.

It's not so much that they reduce tolerance as that they prevent the acquisition of tolerance.

Either way I wouldn't put to much stock in them for this purpose. There's no absolute contraindication, just remember that many dissociatives are stimulating in their own right, AND remember that the stimulating dissociatives (pcp, 3-meo-pcp) tend to be the ones people get into trouble on. Definitely a breeding ground for psychotic breaks in the making.

It's not an inherently dangerous combo as long as you start low and be rational about your limits.
 
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InterestingFACT said:
NMDA antagonists prevent calcium eflux--this a mechanism by which tolerance to dopaminergic drugs is acquired.
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Ca2+ and Na+ influx, K+ efflux. I suppose you know this, but thought I'd mention it in case anyone else reads it.

whitegreen said:
I'm pretty sure crOOk figured it out here in the thread somewhere. Back up a few pages or search for it. I'm not an IV-guy myself so I don't know the terms. But I'm pretty sure it was either crOOk or someone else who figured it out. Should be here somewhere =) Be careful, someone had some tissue damage from using a strong mixture (not sure if that's the correct term but I'm pretty sure you know what I mean :P).
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That was indeed me. Same guy who had to find out that our connective tissue seems to react quite violently to 3F-P. ;)

titan7 said:
The safest concetration was found to be 35-40mg per ml
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Yup, that's correct. 43mg/ml is too much and would cause reactions to extravasate with the inflammations leaving behind subcutaneous fibrosis.

Regarding the question about osmolarity and pH. Osmolarity is not a major issue, at 40mg/ml the solution will be hypoosmolar (unless you use NaCl solution which comes at physiological osmolarity and should be avoided!). You could theoretically use NaCl to adjust osmolarity to 300mOsm/L, scroll back to find the exact amount, I'm not doing the math again. As for pH, the salt will not affect the solutions pH, at least not significantly so. This assumes there aren't any impurities which would have an effect on pH. I have had 3F-P from 3 sources and none of them did contain any though.


God it's been more than a month and I just can't forget about this fucker. I heard someone say the word 'three' today and was immediately overcome by vivid memories of the 3F-P rush. I push the plunger, my heart starts beating harder, faster, blood boiling, breath freezing, heart beating harder yet, boom boom boom, soon overshadowed by a thousand ringing bells and then: Silence. My body freezes, my mind becomes still. Time stops for a moment.
 
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Anyone tried MPA + 3-fpm IV? Dangerous?
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Have combined both, Edgymann,

MPA & 3 - FPM intravenously.

150 mg of MPA & 150 mg of 3-FPM. 70 units of water (using 1 ml barrel). Straight into the femoral vein (right side of groin).

On set of chemical taste at the back of the throat and, then, increased heart rate with warm feeling in the stomach. You feel mild feeling of euphoria with a mild rush but body begins to tremble and shake due to intense stimulation. I find taking 3-FPM on its own is a better experience than combined with MPA. I find MPA to be moorish with dirty clammy feeling with not much of a stimulation to it - (personal experience).

Buzzy out of my head at the moment with 3 - FPM, 250mgs diluted with 50 units of water and into the femoral (nice feeling)
 
My local headship started selling 3fpm 70% mixed with a numbing agent

1.5g for 25 quid not bad

Doing 500mg tonight

Really nice again, so easy to do in the gogaine mix limited burn in the nose.

Did MPA last week hated it thought it was so shit compared to this.

Hopefully be able to sleep tonight
 
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Have combined both, Edgymann,

MPA & 3 - FPM intravenously.

150 mg of MPA & 150 mg of 3-FPM. 70 units of water (using 1 ml barrel). Straight into the femoral vein (right side of groin).

On set of chemical taste at the back of the throat and, then, increased heart rate with warm feeling in the stomach. You feel mild feeling of euphoria with a mild rush but body begins to tremble and shake due to intense stimulation. I find taking 3-FPM on its own is a better experience than combined with MPA. I find MPA to be moorish with dirty clammy feeling with not much of a stimulation to it - (personal experience).

Buzzy out of my head at the moment with 3 - FPM, 250mgs diluted with 50 units of water and into the femoral (nice feeling)
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Yeah I ended up trying it as well, 150 MPA 80 3fpm in 2ml water. You're crazy dude that shit burns nasty unless properly diluted!


I think I prefer MPA over 3fpm but I'm not entirely sure I keep switching vendors trying to find a reasonably priced / high quality one and I keep feeling let down some how so I wouldn't really like to say which one I definitely prefer they're both great in their own way, and when you blend them right I'm sure it'll be a cracker.. More tests to follow ?
 
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Got hold of some high grade 3-FPM, enough for a week binge at 1g/day.
Got rid of half and have spent the last 6 hours partying with two friends - both stated they'd choose it over Coke...
75mg chased was enough for a bellringer for one!
300mg still gets me there! =D <3
 
@Guinea_Pig2
300mg in .7ml of water? Better enjoy the time you have left with that leg. That's an osmolarity north of 1 Osm/L if I am not mistaken. Make sure you inject extremely slowly and do not miss the tiniest drop of liquid or inflammation and fibrosis is sure to follow.

75mg inhaled for a bellringer?!?! That's so weird, I need almost half a gram IV for that. Feels like Russian Roulette every single time. I gotta remove myself from this thread, this is some serious triggering. Shit.
 
I can see why people say it's so pheneish! Not quite the same experience as ethyl in terms of high wearing off very quickly and urge to redose, where as ethyl seems to allow you to be able to get things done productively for hours without needing to redose, but eventually you crash into a jittering mess... 3f-ph is a lot more clean, smooth and not psychical
 
Hello guys I'm about to do my first dose of this substance.

I weighed out 80mg because I want some recreational effects... will this do? I havent done any stimulants in about 4 - 5 years and I'm gonna snort this
 
I'd say that would do, but not all at once, it takes a little longer than most things to kick in fully anyways
 
So small doses? In my research I have read that doing small doses only gives a functional stimulating effect.
I was thinking about railing this 80 mg and maybe not even redose after, just to see if its strong enough for me.
 
MrK9 said:
So small doses? In my research I have read that doing small doses only gives a functional stimulating effect.
I was thinking about railing this 80 mg and maybe not even redose after, just to see if its strong enough for me.
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Good look not redosing!! Lol
 
80mg is gonna be a relatively strong dose for someone who is pretty much naive to stimulants. You'd be best off to try 5mg and then redose 75mg 2h later. Just to make sure there aren't any adverse reactions.

@bootie
3F-P is by far the dirtiest stimulant I have ever tried. Not sure what constitutes "clean" for you, but for me that means not turning delusional, not turning compulsive, not experiencing amnesia, maintaining the ability to focus on a given task, maintaining some appetite, not experiencing other somatic side effects... 3F-P checks none of these in my experience. It is however the stimulant with the highest abuse potential I have tried, at least for me it has said potential, others might prefer cocaine or methamphetamine.

I expect a clean/functional stimulant to allow me to get shit done without making me feel intoxicated, just like amphetamine does. This is the exact opposite of such a 'clean stimulant' in my experience of which I've had quite a bit.
 
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