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3-IPM (3-Iodophenmetrazine)

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Has anyone tried this yet or know anyone that has? Just wondering if it should be similar to 3-FPM?

If no one has tried it yet, are there any of you chemistry guys that know if the Iodo part is safe or toxic based on its properties and what chemicals/receptors/etc. it might interact with in the brain?

What does Iodo stand for?

I know some of you have tried 3-CPM and said it was fairly weak compared to 3-FPM. How might 3-IPM compare with the two?

I wanted to experiment with 3-FPM, but here in Canada it seems to be sold out everywhere I can find it. So I thought maybe 3-IPM could be a possible replacement. I can't seem to find much info about it anywhere except the very very basics. So maybe someone here can help out with any information at all they may have about it. Would the Iodo cause it to be more potent than 3-FPM or less potent, or have completely different effects even, or toxic?

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
 
Iodo refers to an iodine substitient, and iodine is basically a larger, more reactive chlorine. Fluorine groups are small (think hydrogen sized) so comparing to chloro substitutions makes more sense (trifluoromethtyl groups are a better approximation for the bigger halogens).

Based on 3-CPM being weaker, I would assume 3-IPM would be even weaker than that.
 
I would also assume that 3-IPM would be more serotonergic than 3-FPM, so again, more in line with 3-CPM.
 
Thanks for the info guys. Not what I was hoping to hear, but definitely helpful.
 
Won't it be an arylating agent?

F&B would know better, but has anyone come across a single medicine with an aryliodide moiety? I've NEVER seen one (which doesn't mean they don't exist) but it will be interesting to see the cancer rates of users over the coming years.
 
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Won't it be an arylating agent?

F&B would know better, but has anyone come across a single medicine with an aryliodide moiety? I've NEVER seen one (which doesn't mean they don't exist) but it will be interesting to see the cancer rates of users over the coming years.
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2C-I or DOI come to mind. Not exactly medicines, but not exactly without a large history of consumption.
 
Good point - and had forgotten that 125I is used for radiolabelling medicines... but I've never seen a medicine with an ML with a bare aryliodine. Maybe it's just because other groups always proved superior.. but NEVER? So I'm quite happy if someone knows of one.

Don't forget, Shulgin was quite happy to tinker with the 2 CT series which surely he knew would have MAOI activity so he carefully worked up the doses... but it hasn't stopped others dying from their usage although to be fair, Sasha just swallowed his creations so can't be blames for people trying to save on material by snorting... which seems to be the route that has resulted in fatalities.
 
it is very weak compared to 3fpm, 3cpm. for someone without stimulant experience it will do its job, but if you are in the 500-1000mg/day range of 3fpm, you even won't feel it.
i can't tell much about serotonin vs dopamine since i could not feel much. still, it was a mild stimulant.
 
Ya, I'm not experienced with amphetamines. I did some crystal meth and coke from time to time in my early twenties, 20 years ago, but none these days.
I just tried 60mg of Vyvanse a few weeks ago and thought that felt really nice. A nice feeling I haven't had in a long time. And now I want to feel it again :)

It felt really "clean" for lack of a better term. It was nice to just take it in a pill form and not have to snort it. Don't like snorting anymore. I will if I have to, but oral or plugged is preferred.
I felt a lot more social, no anxiety or depression, mild euphoria, maybe a bit more than mild haha and it lasted like 14 hours. Very smooth come up too. Kinda reminded me of the first time I tried oxy and just felt great and thought I'm not messed up at all, I could take this every day and go to work and whatever and no one would even know I'm on anything. Mind you that led to a shitshow, as it always does. I'm sure an amphetamine addiction would end up the same way but heh, only live once. The only thing I noticed kind of annoying about it was that my tongue wouldn't stop wiggling around side to side and up and down in my mouth between talking lol Not a big deal though.

Anyways, since I don't have a script for it, my first thought was to look into RC's and see what I can get that might be close.

AlsoTapered - where does the cancer link fit into this? The iodine part only? This is why I asked in the original post about potential toxicity also that anybody might know anything about.
Any other info is again, greatly appreciated.
 
mmm just had 40 mg vyvanse... blissss.. 60mg would have been better, but actually this is just fiiinneee :) It takes about 2 and a half hours to fully kick in it seems and its just a slow steady climb like I don't even realize its working till I realize I cant stop talking to myself and my tongue is going crazy moving around in my mouth lolol and then the warmth and perfect body buzz is suddenly there. Well second perfect to oxy, but I cant take that anymore unfortunately, though for the better I guess. Sorry this post doesn't add anything, but I'm alone, and just talkin to myself is kinda making me feel like an insane person now, so this is me being social haha Gonna go listen to some trance records.. classics from 1999-2001. Memories of raves in Toronto, watching Mark EG go crazy on stage, rollin my face off hehe Those were such fun times!

Actually can anyone tell me from experience with different types of stimulants, amphetamines like vyvanse and phenmetrazine and it analogues, if they are even similar in how they feel?

Like coke and meth felt way more of a rush but also a lot more sketchy or something or more of a body load feeling (for lack of a better term) compared to this vyvanse (dextroamphetamine) in my opinion. That's why I say how this feel so "clean". There's no initial rush really, but more just a smooth subtle pure feeling. Best way I can describe it. Could also be part of it is that I take it orally and not snorted so I don't have an irritated nose during the experience and obviously don't have to keep redosing nasally. But just in general they have a different feeling, which I'm just realizing now is very hard to describe in words lol

Does 3-FPM have more of a meth feeling or coke or amphetamine/dexamphetamine feeling, as I've described. Or a mix of all, or something totally unique and different all its own? If its totally different, would you say you enjoy it more than the ones I've mentioned?
 
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In the UK we just get SKF 5s (aka 'French Blues') which are simply 5mg IR dexamphetamine which is way different to racemic (street) amphetamine. 2 or maybe 3 is enough for me.
 
xor said:
mmm just had 40 mg vyvanse... blissss.. 60mg would have been better, but actually this is just fiiinneee :) It takes about 2 and a half hours to fully kick in it seems and its just a slow steady climb like I don't even realize its working till I realize I cant stop talking to myself and my tongue is going crazy moving around in my mouth lolol and then the warmth and perfect body buzz is suddenly there. Well second perfect to oxy, but I cant take that anymore unfortunately, though for the better I guess. Sorry this post doesn't add anything, but I'm alone, and just talkin to myself is kinda making me feel like an insane person now, so this is me being social haha Gonna go listen to some trance records.. classics from 1999-2001. Memories of raves in Toronto, watching Mark EG go crazy on stage, rollin my face off hehe Those were such fun times!

Actually can anyone tell me from experience with different types of stimulants, amphetamines like vyvanse and phenmetrazine and it analogues, if they are even similar in how they feel?

Like coke and meth felt way more of a rush but also a lot more sketchy or something or more of a body load feeling (for lack of a better term) compared to this vyvanse (dextroamphetamine) in my opinion. That's why I say how this feel so "clean". There's no initial rush really, but more just a smooth subtle pure feeling. Best way I can describe it. Could also be part of it is that I take it orally and not snorted so I don't have an irritated nose during the experience and obviously don't have to keep redosing nasally. But just in general they have a different feeling, which I'm just realizing now is very hard to describe in words lol

Does 3-FPM have more of a meth feeling or coke or amphetamine/dexamphetamine feeling, as I've described. Or a mix of all, or something totally unique and different all its own? If its totally different, would you say you enjoy it more than the ones I've mentioned?
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It is very subtle unless you smoke it. Another way is to binge on high doses for days, than it will be a bliss compared to methamphetamine.

The serotonin part is missing to compare it to coke or meth, but the dopamine is incredible and almost no stress on the hearth. The sexual component is stronger than meth in high doses. While some people complain about vasoconstriction, with tolerance it is mild. Even no cold hands. Amphetamine is nasty in high doses, more vasoconstriction and more adrenaline. With 60mg vyvanse you have a low dose, you can get a prescription for 60mg + 20mg Dexedrine per day. Not recommended in any way... and a nasty crash every day.

I do not have too much meth experience, mostly since it causes bad depression after binges. But lots of dextroamphetamine use over years, and the experience gets worse and worse. At least you do not crash that bad on amphetamine or 3fpm, and the aftermath is short.

Well, I cannot recommend 3fpm either. It can get a nasty habit like meth and you will need a lot of it. Avoid smoking it...
 
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Be careful with ANY drug that pushes all of your buttons. I liked the SKFs but more specifically, it gave me the energy to dance all night, to feel really positive and responsive to the other people in the clubs. In short, it was to enhance a pre-planned activity

If the plan is just 'take the drug' then be careful. With some people it's coke, with others it's H and some it's meth. I rank SKFs highly but they sat on my shelf for a month before we went to that night. Because for some people (a minority, I accept), dexamphetamine or even street amphetamine is 'their thing'.

In the UK their are 4 injecting speed users for every injecting H user. I also had friends who went off the deep end with speed. Every single one of them ended up on a psych unit. Most moved on to H, but for most, speed came first... then injecting temazepam to SLOW DOWN and because temzepam got tricky to get, H.

I'm not saying you will, I'm just saying my experience of amphetamine users never ended well.
BTW amphetamine and methamphetamine are transported differently (I would have to look it up) so I'm sure their are people who love speed but aren't too keen on meth.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Be careful with ANY drug that pushes all of your buttons. I liked the SKFs but more specifically, it gave me the energy to dance all night, to feel really positive and responsive to the other people in the clubs. In short, it was to enhance a pre-planned activity

If the plan is just 'take the drug' then be careful. With some people it's coke, with others it's H and some it's meth. I rank SKFs highly but they sat on my shelf for a month before we went to that night. Because for some people (a minority, I accept), dexamphetamine or even street amphetamine is 'their thing'.

In the UK their are 4 injecting speed users for every injecting H user. I also had friends who went off the deep end with speed. Every single one of them ended up on a psych unit. Most moved on to H, but for most, speed came first... then injecting temazepam to SLOW DOWN and because temzepam got tricky to get, H.

I'm not saying you will, I'm just saying my experience of amphetamine users never ended well.
BTW amphetamine and methamphetamine are transported differently (I would have to look it up) so I'm sure their are people who love speed but aren't too keen on meth.
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(dextro)amphetamine seems accepted as ADHD drug but does so much damage low dose; depression, paranoia, delusions, anxiety disorders, OCD and psychosis.

Meth and 3fpm seem to be ok, but once you binge it is over. I cannot imagine to binge on amphetamine, more cardiovascular issues than alpha pvp. Anxiety is probably equal. Same as coke... Everybody is different.

Saying once you binge does not mean one time, my binge was more like 4-5 years. I ran out of desoxypripadol and looked for an alternative, but 3fpm/meth is not. Have fun with psychosis...
 
Desoxypipradrol? I helped trial that about 15 years ago (someone I know came up with it). After the third day it was no fun AT ALL. I got MDPV at the same time and was advised 'oh, it works best when your dopamine is a bit depleted'... oh how we laughed as I floored him with a right hook,

Revolting.

Methylphenidate and phenmetrazine are both OK.

We are indeed all different,
 
AlsoTapered said:
Desoxypipradrol? I helped trial that about 15 years ago (someone I know came up with it). After the third day it was no fun AT ALL. I got MDPV at the same time and was advised 'oh, it works best when your dopamine is a bit depleted'... oh how we laughed as I floored him with a right hook,

Revolting.

Methylphenidate and phenmetrazine are both OK.

We are indeed all different,
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Yes, it was about 4-5 year ago. My usually day was 200 hours without decay. Stopped by the cops, no impairment visible. After 10-14 days awake I was pretty much baked and had to sleep for 30-60minutes. That went on for months, about 9 in total. Sudden cold withdrawal was mild. No crash at all.

The problem was I got narcolepsy without it. Falling alseep everythere all the time.

My daily dose was 20-50mg, sometimes more with etizolam. Narcolepsy disappeared in time (less than a year) and there was no real crash.
 
3-Benzhydrylmorpholine was smoother and some of the ring-substituted derivatives were really good. One was very MDMA-like and only lasted 8 hours.
 
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Yes, it was about 4-5 year ago. My usually day was 200 hours without decay. Stopped by the cops, no impairment visible. After 10-14 days awake I was pretty much baked and had to sleep for 30-60minutes. That went on for months, about 9 in total. Sudden cold withdrawal was mild. No crash at all.

The problem was I got narcolepsy without it. Falling alseep everythere all the time.

My daily dose was 20-50mg, sometimes more with etizolam. Narcolepsy disappeared in time (less than a year) and there was no real crash.
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my other drugs during that time was just dextroamphetamine 20-100mg/day, rarly ritalin up to 800mg/day
 
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