#3 Heroin vs BTH vs #4 Heroin

[Dr.Hulkster]

I've seen some threads about this. But none that in depth.
There is definitely a price difference between the three types of heroin. Are they that different? I know that #3 being the least potent and #4 being the most potent, does that mean if I had .25 of #4 it would last me as long as .5 of Black Tar? I've always thought heroin is heroin no matter what kind. Assuming you had high quality batches of each which is best in your guys opinions?

 

[flyhighk]

There are two forms of heroin IIRC, a salt and a base. But usually what differs between batches/dealers/locations is purity.

I've always thought heroin is heroin no matter what kind.

Heroin is heroin with a lot of fillers and other stuff.

 

[dankhead88]

according to what I've read in the past, black tar isn't even 3,6-diacetylmorphine but rather a combination of 6-monoacetylmorphine(potent) and 3-monoacetylmorphine(weak), due to using acetic acid instead of acetic anhydride duriung the manufacturing.

Mods: If this is too much info, please let me know.

 

[JohnHenery8]

I only have experience with Powdered #4. NY State.

Purity is Purity tho. Tar is #4 as is ECP. The difference being that ECP is more of a one deminsional high as its extracted much better than tar. Tar is a more full spectrum high as it contains other alkoloides other than just heroin.

Everything I seem to read is similar to Oct vs Heroin...if someone started out on Tar they tend to like tar... Started on East Coast Powder then they favor that. #4 is the drug in SALT form. Manufactured for sniffers/shooters and easily dissolves in water.

Both can be great or garbage.

#3 can be very high purity as well. #3 is the drug in BASE form. It's manufactured for smokers. An acid addition is required for injection.

I have no experience with #3 or tar but both seem to have highs n lows. Believe me I have had #4 ECP that was hardly a drug at all and three bags did shit. I had some yesterday where a half bag was magic.

 

[JohnHenery8]

This. BTH is also typically produced in a more crude, unsterilized environment. It also comes from even more "questionable" sources if that makes sense like #4 doesn't anyway currently). IMO true #4 no longer exists unless you have the funds to purchase extremely large quantities. From personal experience, BTH has been decent or good while genuine #4 is great. GL obtaining it now though...

B_G/Adj.

What do you mean real or genuine #4

 

[Nom de Plume]

Black tar heroin is low-grade Mexican trash—for fuck's sake, the shit looks more like burnt molasses than a drug.

Heroin #3 is apparently a eutectic form of heroin HCL adulterated with any number of diluents. It may be used via inhalational, intranasal, and intravenous ROAs.

However, being from West Bengal—in an area of Asia a part of a much larger geographic region where this grade is very popular and common; and also an area very near the origin of type 3 heroin, owing to having neighbors such as Burma, Thailand, and Bangladesh—type 3 heroin is typically smoked and not usually injected or insufflated.

Heroin #4 is highly-purified heroin HCL and has a higher water solubility than other types of heroin.

For a more in-depth explanation, see subsection #7 entitled "Heroin in brown, black and white" in the following US National Library of Medicine article:
Heroin in Brown, Black and White: Structural Factors and Medical Consequences in the US Heroin Market

 

[Nom de Plume]

"Real" as in standard #4...

"Genuine" as in pure #4, uncut, unadulterated and at least 70%+ purity as unless it's coming from a legit lab (recent NIST meth lab bust for example: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3316246/posts) it's probably adulterated in some shape or form unless you know top connects which do indeed exist, buying large weight, or synth or yourself.

B_G

I just wanted to add that black market heroin from a laboratory is something unheard of, at least in South (S, SW, and SE) Asia. From my experiences, most heroin is produced in secluded locations and manufactured in a similar fashion to American moonshine or Colombian cocaine.

In other words, there is nothing like a laboratory about it ; rather, it is a crude, ad hoc setup without any lab provisions and only makeshift accoutrements like barrels for containing precursors, homemade hydraulic presses, and a simple shack or an encampment made from wooden beams and a plastic or fibrous tarp or metal sheet thrown overhead.

To see one in person you would not have any idea such a shoddy, dilapidated, and hastily constructed setup was anything more than a rundown backwoods campsite rather than a large-scale heroin manufactory.

Methamphetamine is usually synthesized with some amount of actual lab equipment, but this is not the case with many semi-synthetic drugs like heroin because they don't require them. Moreover, heroin is usually manufactured in very impoverished developing nations where most people would find labware inaccessible and unaffordable, unlike in the relatively wealthier nations that are the predominant producers of methamphetamine.

 

[Raki]

Suprising how this keeps getting asked when we have literally years worth of threads on the issue. Here it goes again:

The Heroin numbering system was devised by the DEA. In fact they ignorantly label Prepared Morphine as Heroin#1 so that from the outset do not expect it to make much sense:

Heroin #1: Up until the late-1990s in the Golden Triangle illicitly produced bulk Morphine Hcl was a commodity in and of itself with brandnames like ".999" and "24k" among others. By the end of its run it was only being sold to labs in Northern Malaysia and when the Southern Thai Insurgency put a cramp in that dynamic, Heroin #1 ceased to exist.

Heroin #2: Heroin Freebase, the primary type produced in the Golden Crescent and in the West it is the primary retail form in Western Europe, including the UK. As a freebase it needs an acidic catylyst to adjust the pH for injection, usually citric acid is used.

Heroin #3: Heroin #4 combined with at least 60% caffeine to raise its melting point to make it conducive for smoking. Heroin #4 cannot be effectively smoked because its melting point isnt in synch with its vapourisation point. It melts before it vapourises meaning that it disapears before very much can be smoked. Usually flavouring agents are added as well like strychnine, quinine and vanillin, and sometimes colouring agents as well. However, this type went extinct just after the extinction of Heroin #1.

The primary market, Hong Kong underwent a radical shift towards injection, i.e. Heroin #4. Two producers in Northern Malaysia continued making small quantities until 2004/2005. It is a thing of the past.

Heroin #4: Heroin Hcl, near perfect solubility in warm water, no heating necessary unless adulterated and/or diluted.

As for Tar Heroin, it is none of the above. The DEA used to classify it as #4 because it was made specifically for injection. However, it isnt a hydrochloride, or any salt for that matter. It is Heroin Acetate, an intermediate form that gets its texture from a lack of reflux during acetylation. Ignorant people imagine it is "acetylated opium." If it were it would be limited by the morphine content in opium. You would never find Tar at more than 20% purity, usually around 13%. Of course it isnt opium. The strange MAM content relates to its lack of reflux which allows more moisture to cause hydrolysation, etc.

 

[Boston_George]

I just wanted to add that black market heroin from a laboratory is something unheard of, at least in South (S, SW, and SE) Asia. From my experiences, most heroin is produced in secluded locations and manufactured in a similar fashion to American moonshine or Colombian cocaine.

In other words, there is nothing like a laboratory about it ; rather, it is a crude, ad hoc setup without any lab provisions and only makeshift accoutrements like barrels for containing precursors, homemade hydraulic presses, and a simple shack or an encampment made from wooden beams and a plastic or fibrous tarp or metal sheet thrown overhead.

Thanks for the clarification!!! That's basically what I meant, however, didn't phrase it correctly. Where I'm from you'd be surprised though (enough said).

B_G