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3-FPM weak junk? - 2 different suppliers/batches (same lacklustre results)

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3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM) is a popular RC Stimulant that I always hear/read about ….so I ordered a G each from two different vendors, which were different batches (I’m guessing, purchased years apart). Same general appearance, glittery/shiny crystalline moist ish powder (not dry and crumbly or dull white powder like flour)

I snorted one with no feeling, the other had a relatively painful discomfort/burning stinging sensation which disappeared in 10 sec. Both samples never have me any type of amphetamine type dopaminergic style euphoric mood-boosting effects.

I’ve read a lot of positive reviews of it however so I’m confused. The amount I snort is not too big however…..like thin like width of 2 toothpicks same length, one in each nostril. Prior I use a wet Q-Tip and gently insert into nostril and swab around so it’s wet and may aid/increase absorption into bloodstream

Prior to this, I have legit scripts of Vyvanse (12mg d-amph) & Ritalin 40-60mg IR. Also have been using Cocaine very often. Always grab 2G which last 2-3 days max as I use therapeutically when my Ritalin runs out, and for recreational purposes at night when taking my oral Brompton Cocktail (Opioid/Stimulant/Benzo/Lyrica/Jin) and blast a biker rail every Jin cocktail I make before having a cigarette on the outside patio. (I haven’t taken Cocaine in over a week due to financial reasons)

I have Bupropion 150mg XR which I take in morning, and also have Isopropylphenidate & 4F-MPH which I mix 50/50 and snort little lines few hours after Bupropion. IPH & 4F-MPH do have noticeable effects, especially 4F-MPH. Closest to Ritalin & Cocaine MOA perhaps

Then I’d blast decent lines of 3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine and perhaps I feel a decent subtle dopaminergic stimulating effect, combined with Jin cocktail. But just solo…It’s nothing special. I even vaped it, nothing.

Ritalin / Dexedrine / Cocaine are REAL dopaminergic stimulants with profound euphoric effects

I have 4-MMC which I haven’t tried yet….

Most of these RC Stims are trash….except a select few I guess. If I ever came across extremely pure d-Methamphetamine I’d grab a few grams and just make 5mg capsules filled with excipients MCC-101 to fill the jel capsules. Take one in morning, another at 12/1pm ish

Just disappointed in 3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine after reading all the good reviews. Wish I had 500 grams pure powder of the real deal Phenmetrazine hcl
 
Legit 3FPM should have quite noticeable when vaped. Sounds like what you got was bunk.

And, some RC stimulants are just as strong/recreational as more well known stimulants like cocaine, methamphetamine, etc. Take for instance n-ethylhexedrone. That said, n-ethylhexedrone is now a schedule I controlled substance. Once something is scheduled as a C-I controlled substance I don't really consider it an "RC" anymore (in the colloquial sense), because in my mind an "RC" (again, in the colloquial sense of the moniker) is an unscheduled substance.

This really isn't a thread for the NPD subforum though.
 
3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM) is a popular RC Stimulant that I always hear/read about ….so I ordered a G each from two different vendors, which were different batches (I’m guessing, purchased years apart). Same general appearance, glittery/shiny crystalline moist ish powder (not dry and crumbly or dull white powder like flour)

I snorted one with no feeling, the other had a relatively painful discomfort/burning stinging sensation which disappeared in 10 sec. Both samples never have me any type of amphetamine type dopaminergic style euphoric mood-boosting effects.

I’ve read a lot of positive reviews of it however so I’m confused. The amount I snort is not too big however…..like thin like width of 2 toothpicks same length, one in each nostril. Prior I use a wet Q-Tip and gently insert into nostril and swab around so it’s wet and may aid/increase absorption into bloodstream

Prior to this, I have legit scripts of Vyvanse (12mg d-amph) & Ritalin 40-60mg IR. Also have been using Cocaine very often. Always grab 2G which last 2-3 days max as I use therapeutically when my Ritalin runs out, and for recreational purposes at night when taking my oral Brompton Cocktail (Opioid/Stimulant/Benzo/Lyrica/Jin) and blast a biker rail every Jin cocktail I make before having a cigarette on the outside patio. (I haven’t taken Cocaine in over a week due to financial reasons)

I have Bupropion 150mg XR which I take in morning, and also have Isopropylphenidate & 4F-MPH which I mix 50/50 and snort little lines few hours after Bupropion. IPH & 4F-MPH do have noticeable effects, especially 4F-MPH. Closest to Ritalin & Cocaine MOA perhaps

Then I’d blast decent lines of 3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine and perhaps I feel a decent subtle dopaminergic stimulating effect, combined with Jin cocktail. But just solo…It’s nothing special. I even vaped it, nothing.

Ritalin / Dexedrine / Cocaine are REAL dopaminergic stimulants with profound euphoric effects

I have 4-MMC which I haven’t tried yet….

Most of these RC Stims are trash….except a select few I guess. If I ever came across extremely pure d-Methamphetamine I’d grab a few grams and just make 5mg capsules filled with excipients MCC-101 to fill the jel capsules. Take one in morning, another at 12/1pm ish

Just disappointed in 3-Fluoro-Phenmetrazine after reading all the good reviews. Wish I had 500 grams pure powder of the real deal Phenmetrazine hcl
There is a Levo and a Devo version just like with amphetamine. It the Devo you want. Most people even some suppliers, most actually are not aware of this.

I am an old hat 3fpm user and yes Levo is bunk compared to the Devo, which is the holy grail of stims...bar none.
 
There is a Levo and a Devo version just like with amphetamine. It the Devo you want. Most people even some suppliers, most actually are not aware of this.

I am an old hat 3fpm user and yes Levo is bunk compared to the Devo, which is the holy grail of stims...bar none.

Actually their are two stereocenters so their are 4 enantiomers. I THINK the synthesis might only produce the trans pair because the cis pair is referred to as 'pseudophenmetrazine'.


Although the original patent is for the racemate.

The above report suggests that a route might be utilized that produces an excess of the trans pair, but maybe they resolve it? I couldn't find a paper or patent that describes a chiral synthesis, BUT I did find this:


Of course, the person who would know is fast&bulbous. He mentioned on BL that for his thesis, he synthesized a whole bunch of phenmetrazine isomers and if I recall his words correctly 'the rats loved it'.
 
> a Devo version
devo.jpg


It's "dextro" and "laevo", sillies.

I think the most likely explanation is you are already habituated to using large doses of other sstimulants, so of course a few milligrams of 3-FPM will seem disappointing. Consider that the dosages are 50-150mg for recreational use.
 
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