2nd girl dies after taking mystery drug

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2nd girl dies after taking mystery drug
By CLARA HO, SUN MEDIA
3-25-09
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2009/03/25/8882386.html

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A second girl from Paul Band First Nation has died after she was hospitalized for taking an unknown drug that sickened her on Sunday.

Leah House died this morning at the Stollery Children's Hospital, confirmed band spokesman Dennis Paul.

"I'm just devastated, shocked," Paul said. "It's a very difficult time and I pray for the families."

Last night, 15-year-old Trinity Dawn Bird died. She and House had been in a coma and on life support at the Stollery since Sunday's incident.

A third girl who was hospitalized has since been moved out of intensive care and is doing much better, Paul said.

The three teens were part of a group of up to nine youths who had taken the drug on Sunday. People attending a wedding nearby were alerted after some of the youths got sick, and Stony Plain RCMP were called in before 1 a.m.

Four girls were taken to hospital and one was treated and released shortly after.

Some members of the community said they thought the drugs were ecstasy pills laced with rat poison.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes said police were advised that traces of the street drug ecstasy were found in the teens, but no form of poison was found.

Oakes said investigators hope to speak with anyone who may have information about the case to find out what contributed to the youths' illness and determine if it could pose further risk or harm to others.

Mounties will spend today speaking to students at the community's school to discuss drug prevention, along with a six-member crisis unit who have been travelling to schools within Parkland School District to debrief students and provide counselling.
 
PMA? Sounds like the most likely culprit, they were both young and presumeably both took the same pills.
 
PMA is very very rare you guys have to remember that
It doesnt state any of the symptoms of PMA so i kind of doubt its PMA.

It could be a bad reaction to a piperazine though.
 
But for two girls taking the same pills, at the same time, to simultaneously die from a bad reaction to pipes is a bit of a stretch. I mean how many people die annually from taking pills sold as ecstasy? The chances are pretty astronomical. The only explanation that seems plausable is that there was something really nasty in the pills, and with two simultaneous deaths PMA seems like the most probable culprit.
 
could it have been 2ct2?
I know that's a stretch but it coulda been a 2c related death

But I'm out on a limb here =]
 
I've contacted the hospital with a list of drugs that could cross react with MDMA (they said they tested positive for some MDMA, but it seems that MDMA was not the cause of the deaths).

It was a substantial list, unfortunately, but I did mark the most likely to least likely to cause death. These are some of those I included (not in any order):

These are unscheduled or uncommon drugs sometimes sold as ecstasy and drugs sold online as MDMA replacements; They did not say if they had taken the drug as a pressed pill as most MDMA comes, or if it was a powder- of the sort one could order online.
1. methylenedioxymethcathinone aka bk-MDMA, Methylone, MDMC. (A very popular MDMA analogue available online that would almost certain cause a false positive. Not very likely to cause death though)
2. MBDB / bk-MBDB (MBDB was/is probably the most commonly confiscated MDMA analogue in the US, and bk-MBDB has appeared online. Despite the Wiki entry claims, it was in on the streets long before whatever RC vendor decided to add the 2005 bit; There were more than a dozen seizures of pills containing MBDB from 1995 to 1997)
3. Ketamine (Not very likely to cause death, but if a bunch of middle school kids obtained a bunch of powder, it's definitely be possible; also unlikely to cause a false positive)
4. Dextromethorphan (not likely to cause a false positive, but easy to obtain and has been seen in ecstasy, and also not too terribly unlikely to cause death if the user is small and light and takes too much)
5. Methamphetamine (orally, even very high doses are fairly safe; meth overdoses are relatively uncommon. Somewhat likely to cause a false positive in a urinalysis, but I doubt anything more advanced would be confused by it)
6. para-methoxyamphetamine (4-methoxyamphetamine) / PMA)- Has shown up, but only rarely. Definitely could cause death.
7. para-methoxy-n-methylamphetamine (4-meo-methamphetamine / PMMA): also very uncommon, less likely to cause death, but still dangerous)

These are the drugs I thought would be the most likely to show up in an ecstasy pill or if they had been obtained online I think are most likely to cause a false positive.

Below are the drugs I though would be most likely to cause death.

1. Diphenyl prolinol (doubtful)
2. MDPV --> My personal favorite candidate. It's really potent, it's widely available, and it's close enough to MDMA that I coud see urinalysis giving a false positive if this were in their systems.
3. Desoxypipradol --> Also not very likely, but it is widely available, and very potent- and very more-ish. These three, in the hands of 15 year old girls is a recipe for disaster..
4. BZP / mCPP --> I think these are also pretty unlikely. Since BZP has been made illegal, it doesn't show up nearly as much as it used to. They definitely wouldn't cause a false positive, but have caused some deaths).

If none of those are found, then you have to start looking through
 
Hammilton.. why do you think that whatever they took was not a mixture of MDMA and whatever else was in those pills?

Some members of the community said they thought the drugs were ecstasy pills laced with rat poison.
Click to expand...

I just don't understand why you bothered with that first list?

Also, did I not see a thread title in DiTM saying something to do with australia being flooded with pills laced with rat poison? I didn't read the thread so I don't know how credible the title is.. I've heard that rat poison (this came from an experienced moron) is what is responsible for gurning in pills, which of course, i know not to be true.. so that thread coulda bin full of shit.. jus wonderin..
 
do we thank the government for the unregulated sale of ecstacy or do we blame the children for their ignorance? :(

Sad sad story either way:(

I do think its time for me to finally invest in a test kit :( I usually wait to pop til I read a report or two on preports, I dont think can cut it anymore.
-- Maybe I'll wait til this pokeball era is over.

I do hope they release the actual chemical that did them in.
 
"Some members of the community said they thought the drugs were ecstasy pills laced with rat poison."

hahaha

Sad though, wonder what the pills had in them? Hard to believe MDMA by itself could cause this reaction.
 
yeah I liked that name to, super hippie parents or what?

Sad... but wtf is with them pushing this rat poison myth so much? Chromosome damage anybody?.. *sigh*... Where is this rat poison shit coming from anyway? I mean this case is just repeating hearsay by idiots (in at least three related articles I've seen so far), but where did this start, has anyone seen an actual fact backing that claim?


If the dealer got hit I hope he at least had some of the pills left to be tested.. a better toxicology report.. this will be interesting to follow if it doesn't just drop off the radar.


Definitely wasn't just MDMA though, no way in hell... they had to be fucking with other drugs either directly or through bad pills, if it looked like MDMA was the cause of death they would have had a field day... Maybe all this rat poision nonsense is an indicator that the meadia is having trouble floating the myth that mdma alone is terribly dangerous, they need to use new scare tactics.

You'd think that if they REALLY thought the pills themselves were the sole cause of death that they would desribe what they looked like in the media to get the word out that such a deadly batch was threatening their youth. 'Drugs are bad' mentality or not, they couldn't ignore it if there really was a threat that was knocking off kids in droves, don't you think? There's something they haven't made public yet is my guess..
 
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