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Opioids 2Mg Dilaudid question

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Hey, everyone, how's it going? Picked up 16 2mg Dilaudid's (M2's), small little pills. I've gotten these in the past (ate them, naive I know), and they hardly did anything. I have a moderate opiate tolerance, 40-50mg hydrocodone is my sweet spot for a fun night, or 30mg ir oxy (oral), I'm not really too much into snorting pills.

Anyways, I read online that the best way for hydromorphone is anything but eating, so about 20 minutes ago I snorted 4mg. I feel it a bit, but maybe these just aren't my thing? I'm not into IVing, so no need to suggest that.

Should this 4mg be in full force about right now, or should I wait about to do another 4mg?

Thanks for the advice everyone. Have a nice day :)


Edit: Maybe I didn't snort this correctly, since I'm a novice, 99% of the times I just pop my pills. I just powdered it up real fine in a pestle/mortar and laid it out on a piece of paper. My right nostril is a little bit clogged up, but was able to breathe out of it fine. Cleared my nose then snorted it all. Felt the drip and everything.

I read somewhere that you can increase the surface area by putting it in an oral syringe and slowly dripped it in your nostril. Would that be a more effective route of administration, because I hardly feel anything and it's been 34 minutes.

Once again, thanks :)
 
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I think the syringe route would be more effective because it is already dissolved in water so its easier for your nasal membrane to absorb. I've heard rectal admin is good with dilaudid, never tried it but if nasal isn't suiting you it might be worth it to give it a whirl. from what I've heard dilaudid is dissapointing via any route besides i.v., so maybe you should stick to other opiates.
 
Blow your nose, clear your sinuses, and rinse with saline spray prior to administering the crushed tablets in solution with saline (if you use water it will burn... just warning ya...) and administering it in the smallest volume of water possible using a 1mL needle-less/oral syringe.
 
It's best to not even mention using that ROA especially since the OP said they aren't interested in it.
 
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You might have sniffed too hard. The drip is the drug going down into your stomach which is what you don't want. You want to keep it against the membranes in your nose for as long as possible.

Plugging (rectal administration) is another viable option. Fast onset, high BA, low risk. And don't let anyone tell you they're useless except IVed change your mind about the needle, you don't want to go down that road.

Good luck and be careful :)
 
Dilaudid is better than any drug I've experienced, but only when IV'd. If you snort them, the bio-availability is cut down to half, meaning the drug is a lot weaker. First time IV'ing is not worth ruining your life for a good high like I did. Just snort a little more and you'll be golden. I'd say about 8 milligrams.



I am also interested to find out if these can be dissolved and squirted under your tongue to be absorbed sublingually, if that would add to the bio-availability, it would be interesting.
 
I have taken dilaudid intranasally and found 8mg to be equal to 30mg of oxycodone or so. When you sniff it you should do tiny lines at a time, and wait a few minutes before sniffing some more.

Dilaudid doesn't last as long as oxycodone, and even at its peak I don't find it to be as euphoric as oxycodone. Even when IV'd I still didn't find it to be as euphoric as oxycodone, and after the rush it feels even more disappointing than if I had just sniffed it. That's just my experience with it, but I know that I'm not alone in finding oxycodone to be one of, if not the most euphoric opioid.
 
dilaudid is useless, especially with a tolerance, unless you bang it. im not telling you to go out and experiment with the needle but from now on you know its pretty much a useless narcotic outside of that ROA.
 
Tommyboy said:
I have taken dilaudid intranasally and found 8mg to be equal to 30mg of oxycodone or so. When you sniff it you should do tiny lines at a time, and wait a few minutes before sniffing some more.

Dilaudid doesn't last as long as oxycodone, and even at its peak I don't find it to be as euphoric as oxycodone. Even when IV'd I still didn't find it to be as euphoric as oxycodone, and after the rush it feels even more disappointing than if I had just sniffed it. That's just my experience with it, but I know that I'm not alone in finding oxycodone to be one of, if not the most euphoric opioid.
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8mg=30mg?



i think you're being awfully generous
 
I wouldn't even mess with Dilaudid if you aren't IV'ing it.. and definitely DO NOT IV.. it is not worth it. I used the needle for about 5 months and am now using a little suboxone to try to get off of it.. I have scars on my arms from being no good at IV'ing.. and am dealing with the worst few days of my life right now.. from what I understand if I didn't have this Suboxone I wouldn't even be able to sit here and type this.. that is how bad it is.

If you are a "recreational" Opiate user then you should stop all together while you still can.. if you use it too much for even a week or so you will find yourself in a world of hurt when you can't get anymore for any amount of time. If you can stop now without withdrawals then do it.. Opiates will ruin your life..
 
I've only taken drugs nasally this way, other than tooting a crushed clonazepam tablet twice and tooting lyrica 100mg capsule powder (lol) twice.

The only drug I've "snorted" with a syringe is bupe, other than clonazepam a few times. I regularly use sublingual bupe from a non-filtered solution I made with from suboxone strips, bupe 0.8mg/mL in an ampule. I use that same unfiltered solution to take it intranasally when I need a breakthrough dose on top of my daily 0.8-1mg sublingual bupe solution, usually 120-320mcg bupe which comes out to 15-40units.

I lay down on my bed, backwards, with my head hanging down the foot of my bed, then, plugging my nostril with one finger, I slowly insert 3-5 units in to the other nostril, lightly inhale, wait a bit, then switch hands and nostrils. I like using 29g 0.5mL insulin syringes for snorting bupe, with the needle broken off carefully using the syringe cap.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
It's a little over twice as strong as oxy.

That being said, I know a lot of people who still prefer oxy (intranasally. Hydromorph is still king when ROA is IV).
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Well hydromorphone is advertised as being up to 8x as potent as morphine! So this would make it 4x more potent as oxycodone (assuming this is via the parenteral route), and I believe the figure for 8x morphine's potency may have been in reference to the oral ROA, which would just make it even more impressive.

I'm currently in the process of possibly switching to hydromorphone from roxicodone (but for chronic pain not recreational abuse) and I respectfully disagree that dilaudid only works great via the IV ROA. YES, I would support Scagnatties claim that it is KING, but so many people are quick to dismiss hydromorphone's potential via the oral, intranasal, intrarectal, etc routes of administration just because it requires taking usually 3-4x what your IV dose would be, but we all know how short-lived the benefits of IVing dilaudid are...

Within weeks to months, most people's tolerance have skyrocketted to the point where they don't get relief via other ROA's, and in this case it is the addict to blame. Not the ROA. It's not that dilaudid must be IV'd to be enjoyed, it's that most addicts assume so and find them self in a sticky situation....
 
tricomb said:
Well hydromorphone is advertised as being up to 8x as potent as morphine! So this would make it 4x more potent as oxycodone (assuming this is via the parenteral route), and I believe the figure for 8x morphine's potency may have been in reference to the oral ROA, which would just make it even more impressive.

I'm currently in the process of possibly switching to hydromorphone from roxicodone (but for chronic pain not recreational abuse) and I respectfully disagree that dilaudid only works great via the IV ROA. YES, I would support Scagnatties claim that it is KING, but so many people are quick to dismiss hydromorphone's potential via the oral, intranasal, intrarectal, etc routes of administration just because it requires taking usually 3-4x what your IV dose would be, but we all know how short-lived the benefits of IVing dilaudid are...

Within weeks to months, most people's tolerance have skyrocketted to the point where they don't get relief via other ROA's, and in this case it is the addict to blame. Not the ROA. It's not that dilaudid must be IV'd to be enjoyed, it's that most addicts assume so and find them self in a sticky situation....
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It's been shown to be 8x as strong in some studies, which are the figures the companies use who sell it, but a lot of other stats show it only being 4x as potent as oral morphine.

Stanford Opioid Equivalency Table
 
Why am I not surprised!? :)

Thanks for pointing that out! Good to know. So by that logic, orally it is 2x as potent as oxycodone? since oxycodone is 2x potent as morphine?
 
That chart is a little screwy...it has hydro/oxycodone listed as being equianalgesic mg/mg and hydrocodone as being 1.5x the potency of morphine (I agree with oxycodone, but definitely not morphine). Perhaps this is just low dosing though as morphine's oral BA goes up with frequency of use and dose.
 
Yes, hydromorphone is beastly when IV'd, but you can get something out of it via insufflation, although it does take rather a lot of it. The 'high' when you do so is subjectively like hydrocodone when you do so, in my opinion. I can't guess on a starting dose for you, but I can say I don't think 4mg would have got me much of anywhere either, even when my tolerance was much lower.
 
Jktm said:
That chart is a little screwy...it has hydro/oxycodone listed as being equianalgesic mg/mg and hydrocodone as being 1.5x the potency of morphine (I agree with oxycodone, but definitely not morphine). Perhaps this is just low dosing though as morphine's oral BA goes up with frequency of use and dose.
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Hydrocodone and morphine taken orally are pretty much equipotent mg by mg by my standard, and oxycodone is 2x morphine. Hydrocodone just is a helluva lot better absorbed via the oral route compared to morphine.
 
^ The Bluelight Opioid Conversion Chart lists oral oxycodone being 1.5x stronger than oral morphine/oral hydro, not 2x stronger, so... 20mg oral oxycodone = 30mg oral morphine = 30mg oral hydrocodone.

Agree with your post, though, just a little correction according to the conversion chart.
 
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