2cx - DOX

[Apollo Matta]

il start,
dob - 2cb
doc - 2cc
doi - 2ci,

now for one i do not know,
dom - 2cd ??
what about doet doef>

what is the 2c-e and 2c-p equivalent of dox
what about the 2ct-7 dox...

 

[allium]

dom - 2cd ??

Right.

DOET is alpha-methylated 2C-E(i.e. DOx equivalent of 2C-E).
DOEF is alpha-methylated 2C-EF.
DOPR is alpha-methylated 2C-P.

alpha-methylated version of 2C-T-7 is ALEPH-7.

 

[Apollo Matta]

dopr would scare me considering 2cp is already like a dox.
are there any trip reports for aleph - 7

 

[allium]

I have yet to try DOx(they are really long-lasting, so I have my DOI sample lying around for a while), so based on experience of other people, and on my own experience with 2C-P, I can say that 2С-P trip feels like other 2C trips and not like DOx trips. If you was speaking about potency and duration of 2C-P, then you're right, but DOPR potency&duration isn't way higher comparing to other DOx.

So if you aren't scared by other DOx, you should be scared by DOPR.

are there any trip reports for aleph - 7

I can't find any outside of PiHKAL entry.
But there is the trip report for ALEPH-2, if you're interested.

 

[Solipsis]

Don't forget
mescaline <-> TMA
2C-N <-> DON
2C-B-Fly <-> DOB-Dragonfly/Bromo-Dragonfly
2C-TFM <-> DOTFM
2C-G <-> Ganesha

 

[clubberdude]

It would be interesting to see how the effects of the different 2C-x compounds (given the massive range of effects experienced with this class of drugs) compare to say their DOx equivalents.

The DOx compounds look interesting, particularly DOM and DOC.

 

[Solipsis]

Well this is what I gather:
part of the alpha-methylation causes a more or less consistent change in effect: an amphetamine-like stimulation, longer duration, the stimulation usually also increases lucidity but also tendencies towards manic behavior, increase of rational or analytical thought patterns and other effects associated with amphetamines.
But there is also a certain change in character, many people say that 2C-C is not really like DOC, 2C-I different than DOI and so forth. Apparently the alpha-methyl does not only change pharmacokinetics and stimulant-like pharmacology but also different psychedelic pharmacological action.
On the other hand, from what I can tell DOM is distinctly different from DOI/DOC/DOB in ways just like 2C-D, 2C-E and 2C-P are different from the halogenated 2C's.

So the DOX class certainly has things in common like the 2C's have compared with each other, but it is complex to try and translate the change made by alpha-methylation. A similar message seems to be sent by people who have tried NBOMe's. A mixed message that is.

 

[clubberdude]

Yeah I've been wondering how similar 2C-E and 2C-P are to say DOM in particular. The effects profiles seem similar-ish. That said, of the above i've only taken 2C-P once (but it was a really nice experience).

Not sure whether i'll ever get the chance to try DOM (don't think its available online - UN Schedule I) and appears to be very rare in the UK, which is a shame, as it is one of the substances i'm most interested in.

 

[Apollo Matta]

i was just going to ask the question clubber dude said,
and solipsis just answered my question,
so the dox's arnt just amped up 2c's so to speak,
they are there own unique compounds.
sounds obvious,
but it really isnt,
so 2cc isnt really like doc,
hmm,
i only have access to doi blotter because it is still legal in canada
the only one that is haha,
is doi blotter worth getting?
ive heard it is rather boring and stimulating with no psychadelic effects,
but then again that sounds alot like 2c-i haha,
but ive read that doet isnt the deep psychedelic 2c-e is,
that made me think,
maybe the 2c-c and 2c-d versions of dox are the deep ones (doc dom)
while the deep 2c's 2c-e 2c-p will not be as deep in dox forms,
ymmv obviously, but still,

 

[allium]

^ I wouldn't be so sure about legality of DOI in canada. DOI is derivative of amphetamine, which is scheduled, and thus DOI is illegal. But I may be wrong.

is doi blotter worth getting?

In my opinion, any substance producing some sort of psychedelic effects is worth getting.

ive heard it is rather boring and stimulating with no psychadelic effects

I've heared that it is a powerful psychedelic, although dark and not pleasant.

Try reading erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DOI.shtml

 

[drugs]

DOPR looks interesting. Has it ever been available on the research-market?

 

[allium]

^ Doesn't seem so.
I found only few reports from people who tried it.

I suspect that precursors of psychedelic amphetamines are tightly controlled, and that's why we don't see many DOx on the market.

 

[Apollo Matta]

yeah, im not going to get some any time soon,
the duration is too long,
im just not ready.
is there a law banning 2c's in canada?
i know 2cb is schedual 3,
but would it be fairly safe to order some 2c-e,
not for human consuption..
Tma also sounds interesting, because i hold mescaline in high regard.

 

[allium]

Yeah, DOI requires you to invest good amount of time, and it would be better to try it after having some experience with other psychedelics.

Most 2Cs are legal and sold in Canada. So 2C-E should be safe to get.

TMA and TMA isomers are interisting, but they are rare and illegal in most countries. So they're quite difficult to obtain.

 

[Apollo Matta]

yeah as of now i am only experimenting with mushrooms and mdma,
with mushrooms im building up my doses, so 3,4,5.
becasue my last 5g was lemon teked,
and let me say ++++ is an understatement,
so now im a bit humbled by these compounds,
because i know they are very serious
2c-e is next for me,
and i am doing 10mg and working my way up,
i find that is the best way to get to know a new compound,
in my youth i would just start at a strong dose,
and i have had my ass kicked numerous times,
so i have learned my lesson,
to treat these compounds with the UTMOST RESPECT>
basically im trying to say it would be irresponsible for me to do dox's now,
because i can imagine what psychs are capable of,
especially ones that last 30 hours...

thanks for the quick responses,
i think the question i asked has been answered,
and hopefully can help others understand the correlation between dox's and 2cx's better