2ci advice, want to have a good first time

[sapphire life]

yesterday i purchased a 25 milligram capsule of 2ci. i figure 25 mg is way too much for a first time and my current plan is to separate what is in the capsule into two even halves, and take 1/3 of one half, and add it to the other half and do that, while saving the rest for something to do another day(perhaps a low dosed combination with another drug, or whatever). is this fairly safe? i mean eyeballing is never safe but i figure if i only have 25 mg's that i'm working with here, i won't end up taking an insane amount, hell people even take 25 mgs or more their first times and come out of it with a great time sometime. do you guys figure this is a relatively safe way of taking my first 2ci dose? i want to take 15-18 mg's. is there a way of calibrating how much i am taking by dissolving some in a set amount of water? if anybody could help me it'd be super appreciated.

 

[whataboutheforests]

Yeah dissolving the 2c-i in water is your best bet. I'm pretty sure you can just dissolve your 25 mg in 25 ml of water, which makes for easy dosing. Not that I condone eyeballing amounts of 2c-i, but I have done it with little problems. IME, 2c-i is a gentler and very fun psychadelic (I like to think of it as LSD-lite - a great trip without the mindfuck). I think if you just did you best to seperate the 25 mg in half and dosed around 10-15 mg you will have a good time, you can always add smaller amounts if it's not enough. 2c-i can be very clumpy and sticky and hard to seperate though. What looks like a tiny amount of it can in fact be MUCh more, so be careful.

 

[Ondine]

Making a solution with the 2c-i is a good way to measure it into generally consistent sized doses. However, if you're trying to go from 25 mg to 15 mg, it will still be very easy to make an error. I would recommend purchasing a milligram scale. Most people hear that and automatically think they'll have to spend upwards of $100, but that's not the case. The AW Gemini-20 is available on Amazon and is very affordable. Some might translate that affordability into inaccuracy, but I've used mine for over a year, and never been disappointed with the results. Whatever scale you get, it's really a good investment if you're going to start experimenting with RCs.

Also, while I don't want to encourage you to take too much for your first time with 2c-i, I wouldn't really panic about dosing that high. 25mg would be considered a high dose, but I personally don't think it's that close to being overwhelming, even for someone who has barely any experience with psychedelics. Like whataboutheforests said, it's a lot like LSD without the mind-fuck. The visuals might be intense, but I doubt there's any chance of an intense psychological experience at that dosage. At the worst, you would most likely experience nausea and/or an uncomfortable body load for the first hour or so.

That being said, if you really don't think you'll be able to handle the whole capsule, then don't take it. Especially if you're inexperienced with 2c-i, or psychedelics in general. Just something for you to think about.

P.S. If you can't get the scale in time, I would say just eyeball it, or try the water thing if you really want to (a clear liquor like vodka would work better). If you're relaxed, take it in a safe, friendly environment, and have some good music to listen to, I think you'll be fine no matter what.

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

It's true about the clumping effect, I remember the way it sat in capsules looked like different amounts when they all weighed out the same.

It depends how it clumps, but ya 25mg isn't a crazy insane dose or anything although maybe a little over what you would want on your first trip. I think doing the dissolving with water method if you are comfortable with it - it will be the most accurate, although your splitting technique should work fine (since 25mg isn't too huge a dose to split up and take half + 1/3 of the other half.

If you hit 15mg it will most likely be more of a happy aura-trip on the lighter side - more on the laughter side. However for me once I got over 19mg-20mg I hit 2c-i's true psychedelic state, where it is still all happy, but a lot more focused, deep and contemplative than at lower doses. However, some people have a nice enjoyable deep trip on 15mg - one nice thing about 2c-i is it's pretty hard to have a bad trip on it at reasonable doses (under 27mg).

With 2c-i you can move in and out of tripping to a certain extent at will - really for someone to ruin a trip (assuming you are in a stable mental state going in) they would have to say the worst thing in the world like 50x times to you, because each time you will fall to the ground laughing about what was said. It's not dark and gloomy like Shrooms can be, you are in a state of tripping bliss, and a little stimulant body load depending on your dosing.

 

[sapphire life]

first of all, i'd like to thank all of you people for all of the advice and insight on what the best courses of action to take could be. yes, i am very experienced with mdma, highly experienced with lsd, and moderately experienced with mushrooms. what strikes me is the conflicting information people supply about what would be the perfect dosage for a psychedelic trip. it makes sense that varying dosages apply because people are different and react differently to drugs..obviously. so i pose my last question, should i stick to my original plan of trying to measure out a sub 20 mg dosage? or actually go for the 25 mg capsule? if 25 mg isn't as overwhelming as it seems to be, i would just do that in the name of convenience, but if i would for sure have a better first time with less, i would go to the efforts of trying to take a smaller dosage..

 

[DwayneHoover]

For many people 25mg would be considered fairly intense but surely not "super strong" or anything. And for me at 20mg I can feel it but don't really get the strong trails/tracers that are the funnest visual effect till I get to 25mg. But if it's your first time you might want to cut it back to 20mg... much less than that and you are likely to be disappointed and just experience it as something speedy with little or zero psychedelic effects. Then you will be left with 5mg that will surely be totally ineffective. One property of 2CI is that it is almost impossible for it to cause freakouts, etc. In fact more than anything it seems to calm and quiet the mind, but during the 2hr come up you may feel a little excessively stimulated... if so just get up and move around, clean, dance, etc to USE and burn off the excess energy instead of just letting it bug you. Don't worry it does NOT just keep getting stronger, and between 1 and 2 hours that energy will dissolve and transform into the psychedelic effects and your body will calm down alot... it's that initial "climbing the first hill" like on a roller coaster that can feel a little uncomfortable, but once past that things get much smoother.

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

sapphire life,

If you can accurately pull it off I would say shoot for 20-22mg as your first dose. You will get the 2c-i psychedelic experience - although 25mg would be a strong but manageable trip. It would be hard to freak out on it and really bring you to a nice visual state. However, you can get there at 22-23mg as well, so maybe cut out 1/3 and take 2/3rds of it or a little more to hit around 22mg. If you are looking for a strong but manageable trip 25mg you bring you there for sure.

 

[Sapphires]

One property of 2CI is that it is almost impossible for it to cause freakouts, etc. In fact more than anything it seems to calm and quiet the mind, but during the 2hr come up you may feel a little excessively stimulated.

From personal experience and reading a multitude of trip reports both here and on Erowid this is completely false. 2ci has the same possibility of a 'freakout' as any other psychedelic and should be respected immensely. Going into a 2ci experience (especially as a new user) with a lackadaisical attitude is asking for trouble in my opinion.

Saying that it has no psychedelic effects leads me to believe you may not have access to true 2c-i and instead have a pure stimulant.

In regards to the topic creator, I would shoot for half of the dose everyone else has suggested (around 10-12mg) after an allergy dose. Go by a scale, not eyeballing!

 

[DwayneHoover]

From personal experience and reading a multitude of trip reports both here and on Erowid this is completely false. 2ci has the same possibility of a 'freakout' as any other psychedelic and should be respected immensely. Going into a 2ci experience (especially as a new user) with a lackadaisical attitude is asking for trouble in my opinion.

Saying that it has no psychedelic effects leads me to believe you may not have access to true 2c-i and instead have a pure stimulant.

In regards to the topic creator, I would shoot for half of the dose everyone else has suggested (around 10-12mg) after an allergy dose. Go by a scale, not eyeballing!

I assure you I have had many many experiences with 2CI over a period of about 12 years from mostly very reliable vendors who did quality-test assays of their stock supplies and I assure you it was the real thing, according to them as well as my experiences, except for a couple instances of bunk product and those were quite obvious.

Any perusal of a variety trip reports would show a majority of those doing only 10mg report minimal to no psychedelic effects at that level, although that is not universal, individual sensitivity does seem to vary by a fair amount. So of course an allergy test followed by slowly escalating dose experiments is always the proper way to proceed, and it was how I always proceeded with each new acquisition, however the OP does not seem to have access to bulk amounts, only a single 25mg sample and was asking for suggestions as to how to get the most out of it. But of course you are right that is no excuse to be cavalier, what if it is something else by mistake? It has happened. The proper methodology in this situation would be to carefully weigh a 2-3mg allergy test amount and if that shows no bad reaction, at a later date (3-4 days minimum, to avoid tolerance effects) proceed with the remaining material as he/she sees fit.

 

[killermunchies]

One property of 2CI is that it is almost impossible for it to cause freakouts, etc. In fact more than anything it seems to calm and quiet the mind, but during the 2hr come up you may feel a little excessively stimulated... if so just get up and move around, clean, dance, etc to USE and burn off the excess energy instead of just letting it bug you. Don't worry it does NOT just keep getting stronger, and between 1 and 2 hours that energy will dissolve and transform into the psychedelic effects and your body will calm down alot... it's that initial "climbing the first hill" like on a roller coaster that can feel a little uncomfortable, but once past that things get much smoother.

2C-I can definitely cause freak outs. I've had to deal with people freaking out on it. It's not fun at all. But this only seems to happen when people don't weigh their doses properly. What DwayneHoover is saying is correct though. But that only holds true if you dose responsibly. I know someone that took 35 mg and ended up tripping hard for a day, and then residually felt weird for days after. But if you know you have 2C-I, and take the right amount, it is unlikely that you'll freak out. It's a pretty easy going substance that happens to be very dose dependent. If you get the right dose, you'll be fine.

 

[DwayneHoover]

^ I would have to agree. If you exceed recommended dosages, problems may well occur. Most experienced users would say that 25mg is both the sweet spot as well as the maximum... just enough to give optimal intensity psychedelic effects, but at the same time bumping up against the upper limit beyond which most people will find it pretty uncomfortable, leading of course to freakouts.

Problem is OP seems to have gotten one single hit, represented to him as 25mg... which of course could be inaccurate, and lacking a scale, well the only totally responsible advice is, obtain an accurate means to weight it, then start with an allergy/reaction test with 1mg. If you can't do that then put it away somewhere safe, labeled in a way that you will always know what it is, until such time as you can weight it properly.

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

For a first time I think between 18-20mg would be optimal. If you take 10-12 there is an 80% chance you will have an extremely weak psychedelic experience, if any at all - would be a waste IMO. Even at 15mg - it's still active - but it doesn't quite get you to that real psychedelic state. As long as you don't take over 30mg it is extremely hard to have a freak out IMO - it doesn't have much of a mind fuck at all.

If you take 18-20mg, you will get the most out of it - and it will not be too overwhelming at all. Just an incredible time.

My 2cents.

 

[projump2001]

I would just open it up, try your best to make two equal piles, put one into a piece of small tissue fold and parachute. You will have a good trip at 15-20mg At times the visuals will get intense and you might see the reptilian eye looking at you - in everything you look at.

 

[ricardo08]

surely optimal dosage depends on the individual? my first time on 2c-i i took what i was told was 25mg...blew me away though. most intense trip i've had to this day. in future i would dose lower. i've also seen 25mg really mess with people. i'd lower the dose a little for your first time to maybe 20mg personally...once you can do so safely, with a scale.

 

[TangerinO]

My only experience with 2C-I was watching a friend take it for a first time when he was randomly offered it at a festival, he also took it with a sugar cube.

I remember at one point him grabbing me and saying with the biggest grin "I have never tripped this hard in my life!!", so although he was most definitely tripping balls I'd have to agree that it seems to have little mindfuck effects.
If you're experienced with LSD I'd say you'll probably be fine with the full cap, however if you're really that worried about it just take some of it out, use your best judgement.

I find with psychedelics the only thing that steers me negatively is my own fear about the substance, if you're really that worried about taking too much, just take a little out until you feel comfortable with what's in the cap, you'll know when you feel comfortable.

All this clumping business is a little worrying as you could take a really small amount out or a really big amount out, so if you're really freaking out get some scales. Other than that just eyeball it I say, as long as you're eyeballing down and not up I don't see too much that can go wrong. You might get a few extra milligrams or a few less, but more importantly you'll feel comfortable before you set off on the experience.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Most people are going to find half, 12.5mg too low to be satisfying, and almost always too low to be anything but stimulating, but that does vary by individual. Most will find 25 pretty strong but manageable with a very low degree of mindfuck at that level. Again, that's not universal, so I have little doubt someone will post after me saying that's too much, and you could remove a little but then you'll be left with not enough to even feel (5mg)... There's a reason why your dose provider gave you exactly 25mg, dig? It will definitely be "enough", will very likely be fine on your system, although it might feel a little "strong", but is very UNlikely to make you feel like your head is going to explode or anything, maybe just "sort of strong". Your provider probably just wanted to give you the most typical dose in order to ensure that you felt its full effects.

So you factor all this together and decide, I doubt you are going to get any other opinions than those that have already been expressed, which ran the gamut. It's up to you now. no one here can tell you with any certainty how exactly you are going to react, nor of course how much you actually have down to the precise mg. It's up to you to make your choices. Please let us know what you end up doing and how it goes.