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Bluelighter
I have been exploring this combination during the past 6 weeks, having taken it 3 times in order to figure out what is the best dosage and timing when combining these two chemicals. I initially believed that the combination would be very worthwhile because each chemical is challenging and deeply psychedelic when taken on it's own. I suspected that they would compliment one another by each providing what the other may somewhat lack.
2ce
advantages: great closed and open eye visuals, emotionally opening, you can choose to examine yourself and work through issues if you want
disadvantages: can be a bit mindfucky if that's the mood you're in, can feel a little mentally eldritch and brooding, body load can be heavy, I find paranoia creeps in with this one (social self-consciousness), so it may be better to take at home alone or with one partner.
4-aco-dmt
advantages: very warm with lovely sensual tryptamine body energy, lots of laughter and joy, somewhat spiritually opening
disadvantages: nausea, drunken feeling (can be good or bad, imo), too short, time frame is a bit odd with this one--with a fast come-up, somewhat short plateau, I find the visuals peter out too early and friends have agreed with me.
experiences/dosages:
1st attempt: 13mg 2ce+25mg 4-aco-dmt
I felt that I could have taken more 2ce. Seems like the 4-aco dominated. Timing was to take the 2ce first, wait 40 minutes then take the 4-aco. 2ce feelings were a little too wavy, fading in and out. Not a lot of mental work was done. Visuals were intensely stunning; at times the entire vision was just pattern soup, but other times it felt like there were 2 layers of visuals happening on top of one another and I could sort of reach my mind through one layer into the other. Extremely enjoyable, but felt that it needed a bit more 2ce.
2nd attempt: 15 mg 2ce +20mg 4-aco-dmt
I took this dosage at a techno party with friends. Took the two chemicals at the same time, which led to nausea and an unpleasant come-up. I felt good dancing, music sounded great. Overall, I think tolerance came into play and I didn't get as far out as I would have liked. Some paranoia crept in because I was paying a lot of attention to my own emotions and mental state and wasn't that into speaking with others, even though it was a party. If the sound system had been more immersive I probably could have zoned out, danced and ruminated on my mental issues more. As it was, felt distracted by being with acquaintances. True friends did not bother me, it was people I don't know super-well causing a tug-of-war between my desire to be compulsively social and my desire to work on myself by dancing and thinking alone.
3rd attempt: 20mg 2ce+20mg 4-aco-dmt
Took 4-aco-dmt 20 minutes after taking the 2ce. This experience was not easy and I would classify it as mind-blowing. Ego remained intact, but barely. Coming up was overwhelming, visual soup, lost contact with body orientation in space and my body in general. Going to the bathroom was confusing. I was alternately hot and cold. Time moved SO SLOWLY.
I had spent an intense day at the MAPS conference where a lot of the speakers' presentations resonated deeply with my personal situation and some problems I have been having with my family. Fell into abusive self-analysis. Felt withdrawn from people, if I was alone I would have cocooned and cried for a while but I think it would have been a good process of grieving that I needed to go through and continue to go through. After an hour of what I would classify as dark times, trip lightened up and I was able to return to the social fold. It was difficult to negotiate the return from a dark internal core to the social. I felt that my internal world was so intense that I couldn't negotiate the inner and the outer realm, thought the darkness would bleed out from inside and infect others. Withdrew, as a result. Overall positive, meaningful and important experience. These two compounds deserve our respect.
Conclusion:
This is a fantastic and deeply meaningful combination but not for the psychedelically naive or emotionally immature. Any personal problems you are having will likely surface and demand attention. Could be great for mourning, meditating, examining and working through.
Can be intensely recreational with trusted friends and family. Visuals, nothing other than stunning and overwhelming. Possible extreme discoordination, would not recommend going outside.
The dosage range seemed best when there was an equal amount of 2ce+4-aco. 20 mg of each was very intense, I would advise trying between 10-15 of each to start and get your sea legs--work your way up to higher doses. Timing is important, it is better to space the doses out by about 30 or 40 minutes. Always take the 2ce first.
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2ce
advantages: great closed and open eye visuals, emotionally opening, you can choose to examine yourself and work through issues if you want
disadvantages: can be a bit mindfucky if that's the mood you're in, can feel a little mentally eldritch and brooding, body load can be heavy, I find paranoia creeps in with this one (social self-consciousness), so it may be better to take at home alone or with one partner.
4-aco-dmt
advantages: very warm with lovely sensual tryptamine body energy, lots of laughter and joy, somewhat spiritually opening
disadvantages: nausea, drunken feeling (can be good or bad, imo), too short, time frame is a bit odd with this one--with a fast come-up, somewhat short plateau, I find the visuals peter out too early and friends have agreed with me.
experiences/dosages:
1st attempt: 13mg 2ce+25mg 4-aco-dmt
I felt that I could have taken more 2ce. Seems like the 4-aco dominated. Timing was to take the 2ce first, wait 40 minutes then take the 4-aco. 2ce feelings were a little too wavy, fading in and out. Not a lot of mental work was done. Visuals were intensely stunning; at times the entire vision was just pattern soup, but other times it felt like there were 2 layers of visuals happening on top of one another and I could sort of reach my mind through one layer into the other. Extremely enjoyable, but felt that it needed a bit more 2ce.
2nd attempt: 15 mg 2ce +20mg 4-aco-dmt
I took this dosage at a techno party with friends. Took the two chemicals at the same time, which led to nausea and an unpleasant come-up. I felt good dancing, music sounded great. Overall, I think tolerance came into play and I didn't get as far out as I would have liked. Some paranoia crept in because I was paying a lot of attention to my own emotions and mental state and wasn't that into speaking with others, even though it was a party. If the sound system had been more immersive I probably could have zoned out, danced and ruminated on my mental issues more. As it was, felt distracted by being with acquaintances. True friends did not bother me, it was people I don't know super-well causing a tug-of-war between my desire to be compulsively social and my desire to work on myself by dancing and thinking alone.
3rd attempt: 20mg 2ce+20mg 4-aco-dmt
Took 4-aco-dmt 20 minutes after taking the 2ce. This experience was not easy and I would classify it as mind-blowing. Ego remained intact, but barely. Coming up was overwhelming, visual soup, lost contact with body orientation in space and my body in general. Going to the bathroom was confusing. I was alternately hot and cold. Time moved SO SLOWLY.
I had spent an intense day at the MAPS conference where a lot of the speakers' presentations resonated deeply with my personal situation and some problems I have been having with my family. Fell into abusive self-analysis. Felt withdrawn from people, if I was alone I would have cocooned and cried for a while but I think it would have been a good process of grieving that I needed to go through and continue to go through. After an hour of what I would classify as dark times, trip lightened up and I was able to return to the social fold. It was difficult to negotiate the return from a dark internal core to the social. I felt that my internal world was so intense that I couldn't negotiate the inner and the outer realm, thought the darkness would bleed out from inside and infect others. Withdrew, as a result. Overall positive, meaningful and important experience. These two compounds deserve our respect.
Conclusion:
This is a fantastic and deeply meaningful combination but not for the psychedelically naive or emotionally immature. Any personal problems you are having will likely surface and demand attention. Could be great for mourning, meditating, examining and working through.
Can be intensely recreational with trusted friends and family. Visuals, nothing other than stunning and overwhelming. Possible extreme discoordination, would not recommend going outside.
The dosage range seemed best when there was an equal amount of 2ce+4-aco. 20 mg of each was very intense, I would advise trying between 10-15 of each to start and get your sea legs--work your way up to higher doses. Timing is important, it is better to space the doses out by about 30 or 40 minutes. Always take the 2ce first.
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