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2CBritain.

Hmmm...

My point about the 2C-B not being like a cross between LSD & MDMA is that it's not an axis - you can't have 2C-B thats more towards the MDMA side; it's a false distinction.

Either it's 2C-B, or it's not. It could be a mixture of 2C-B and some other active drug; but I can't think of what could be produced during the synth that would also be active....?

F&B got any ideas?
 
Ah yes of course...

Mol weight 2C-B HCl = 233
Mol weight 2C-B HBr = 251

So the HBr would be 0.93 times as potent roughly... doesn't sound like enough to make the described potency differences though.

And the HBr isn't going to make any difference to effects surely - the molecule will be fully dissociated in the body?
 
specialspack said:
Hmmm...

My point about the 2C-B not being like a cross between LSD & MDMA is that it's not an axis - you can't have 2C-B thats more towards the MDMA side; it's a false distinction.

Either it's 2C-B, or it's not. It could be a mixture of 2C-B and some other active drug; but I can't think of what could be produced during the synth that would also be active....?

F&B got any ideas?
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This is why I surmise its 2C-B + 'something else'. But I'm no chemist, I don't know whether the synth could produce another active substance or not. Perhaps somebody with one to spare who cares enough could try and submit one for a proper test somewhere.

As I said, in essence I think these are 2C-B and would turn the marquis green. But on each occasion I've taken them, the sensuality angle has been massively turned up (turned on? ;) ). And the colour volume turned down, if only a little. Also, 2C-B I have done in the past has produced that 'feeling' inside that you are definitely tripping (physical symptoms like the tingling of your internal organs). With the blanks, for me, this aspect is definitely missing.

I tend to think we should just be grateful and hope somebody makes the same 'mistake' again.
 
specialspack said:
Hmmm...

My point about the 2C-B not being like a cross between LSD & MDMA is that it's not an axis - you can't have 2C-B thats more towards the MDMA side; it's a false distinction.

as?
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Are you sure about that false distinction bit? After all, the hallucinogenic properties of 2C-B certainly become more apparent way after the actual active dosage level for other effects.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Are you sure about that false distinction bit? After all, the hallucinogenic properties of 2C-B certainly become more apparent way after the actual active dosage level for other effects.
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I agree some effects are going to manifest at lower dosages than others.

I don't think they're poles on an axis though - increased euphoria often goes along with increased visual effects, imo. Personally I find even the euphoric effects quite different to those from MDMA...
 
I have an idea although I am not very expererienced with 2CB, I think I tried half of one of these blanks lately but might have been something else!

I have however taken a lot of MDMA and have had massive differences in effects of MDMA that are not just set and setting or isomers or whatever, it to me appears that even when someone makes anything be it spaghetti bolognese or lasagne, they can make it differently and although the outcome is still spaghetti bolognese or lasagne it isn't to say it always tastes the same!

Sometimes I have had MDMA that is psychedelic, other times lovey or sensual or flooring or really clean feeling etc etc This is not to say it wasn't MDMA all those times and most would have been in a similar set, setting and mindframe its just to say its different MDMA, that I would guess is from a different producer.

I don't think many people on here from how little 2CB you see will have taken lots of different batches of 2CB, not like they would have done MDMA anyway so maybe we are just starting to realise what I mentioned above is the same for 2CB. Nothing is ever the same, somethings made in similar ways would have almost exact similarities but other things can appear different but essentially be the same thing.

I remember a thread about LSD earlier this year in which this was discussed and people were putting all the differences down to set and setting and not different quality of LSD or chemist, whatever. I think everything can vary and when you make anything (even a fucking sandwich) it won't always turn out the same!

Now I hope these 2CB pills do be come as widely spread as they seem as I might find some down our local club, mmmm beer boys and slags on 2CB instead of shitty pills, could be interesting! But at least that way i'd get some :)
 
avon lady said:
I have an idea although I am not very expererienced with 2CB, I think I tried half of one of these blanks lately but might have been something else!

I have however taken a lot of MDMA and have had massive differences in effects of MDMA that are not just set and setting or isomers or whatever, it to me appears that even when someone makes anything be it spaghetti bolognese or lasagne, they can make it differently and although the outcome is still spaghetti bolognese or lasagne it isn't to say it always tastes the same!

Sometimes I have had MDMA that is psychedelic, other times lovey or sensual or flooring or really clean feeling etc etc This is not to say it wasn't MDMA all those times and most would have been in a similar set, setting and mindframe its just to say its different MDMA, that I would guess is from a different producer.

I don't think many people on here from how little 2CB you see will have taken lots of different batches of 2CB, not like they would have done MDMA anyway so maybe we are just starting to realise what I mentioned above is the same for 2CB. Nothing is ever the same, somethings made in similar ways would have almost exact similarities but other things can appear different but essentially be the same thing.

I remember a thread about LSD earlier this year in which this was discussed and people were putting all the differences down to set and setting and not different quality of LSD or chemist, whatever. I think everything can vary and when you make anything (even a fucking sandwich) it won't always turn out the same!

Now I hope these 2CB pills do be come as widely spread as they seem as I might find some down our local club, mmmm beer boys and slags on 2CB instead of shitty pills, could be interesting! But at least that way i'd get some :)
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Hmmmm ;)

I'm gonna have to respecfully disagree!

Although there are definately going to be some differences due to synth, especially with the active byproducts in LSD synths, and things like MDP2P synths for MDMA, I just think that the majority of differences are going to be set & setting.

Set is a lot of different things - your individual brain chemisty on the day, which is going to be dependant on mood, what food you've eaten, what other drugs you've had in the past week or so. I mean, when SHM says he had a bunch of 2C-B experiences 5 years ago, then to me it is necessarily the case that set is going to be very different this time around. 5 years can be a lot of strengthening and weakening of network connections in the brain...

Having said that, it's perfectly possible that the synth route of the 2C-B about at the moment is different and produces some different side products which affect the experience. That or it's all 2C-C instead!
 
specialspack said:
Hmmmm ;)

Having said that, it's perfectly possible that the synth route of the 2C-B about at the moment is different and produces some different side products which affect the experience. !
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Isn't this essentially what Avon Lady is saying (and therefore you agree with AL?).

I'm more than leaning towards what AL has said. But regarding your theories on my 5 year apart 2C-B experiences....who knows. You may be right. I will admit that, like Zophen, I tend to find it hard to have many visuals on LSD these days. But I have always put that down to the crap, weak acid that has been around for the last few years. And I would say my theory is borne out by the fact that the Hoffmans were substantially stronger and my 'hallucinatory' abilities magically improved concomitantly.

I'll have another little, or not so little, experiment today. Maybe I've been talking shit all along and today will be different. I'll let you know.

Avon Lady's explanation seems sound to me.
 
specialspack said:
I just think that the majority of differences are going to be set & setting.

Set is a lot of different things - your individual brain chemisty on the day, which is going to be dependant on mood, what food you've eaten, what other drugs you've had in the past week or so.
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I agree 100%. I know there are different routes in manufacture (and side products or adulterants) but on the whole taking a broad spectrum of experiences set and setting is the key.
 
i think most of you can feel the difference between almost pure stuff and not-so-clean stuff.
it's a bit hard with psychedelics bc set and setting are so important with them but for example amphetamine or ghb you can surely feel if the stuff is clean.

lemme tell you about this dream i had:
some years ago i decided not to take amphetamine anymore because i felt really ill afterwards and experienced a lot of side effects (like pounding heart, paranoia etc).
then one day I found in my backyard a baggie of amphetamine with a description that it was a project of a chemist to produce some really good amphetamine (not yields but quality!).
Wow, that was a world of difference with the amphetamine I've had before.
never had tachycardia with amphs since that one day, and felt a lot better afterwards.

anywayz I can type some pages more about how good really clean stuff is but back to 2c-b!
 
Dropped 3 blanks on friday and it was a very visual trip so I have to say it's set and setting.

After having the pleasure of trying many of these blanks I've had a different trip nearly everytime.

I could hardly walk from benzo and alch before I even dropped so obviously helpd in the right direction some but was a much more acidy experiance.

On most other ocations I've taken them 2 at a time. 3 definalty produced a nice strong trip though altough by the time I started to come down I wished I had some more or some acid to go deeper.
 
I have to be big enough to admit I've spoken some shit in this thread. Poly drug use masked my judgement. MDMA has the most incredible masking effect on this 2C-B. Last night I did 4 more, no mdma, and had a pretty intensely trippy time.

So yeah. I feel like a bit of a tosser for suggesting this is anything other than pure 2C-B.

Apologies all round. I'm off to become a Buddhist monk on a far away island.
 
^ Well done that man... I didn't realise that your other experiences with the blanks had all involved MDMA too - it's often suprising just how coloured experiences can be by a spliff or a beer or two, never mind MDMA.

I don't think you're a tosser :D - it's an easy mistake to make.

As for Felix's question about downsides - the most obvious is going to be tolerance. I can't think of any 2C-B related deaths, and it's certainly had a reasonably long history of use. But equally there's not been any proper studies of neurotoxicity that I can think of...
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
I have to be big enough to admit I've spoken some shit in this thread... So yeah. I feel like a bit of a tosser...
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Ohhhhh... it's at moments like this that I wish we still had sigs enabled. Cos ^that^ would be a keeper. =D

I kid, I kid! :D

Another downside of 2CB is the puking that some people experience. It's happened to me once after overdoing it (well I assume that is why, anyway), but some people seem to get it every time. It would be great to find out why this happens and what can be done to avoid it. :\

The poly drug use issue is a good point though. I'm racking my brains trying to think of a time when I've had 2CB and nothing else... but I can't. Which seems kind of disrespectful to it, somehow.

I have much more experimentation to do on THE PRECIOUS. :D
 
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