2CBritain.

[StoneHappyMonday]

If they are definitely 12mg the 2cb is nowhere near as potent as the powder I have come across previously, like for like.

Bizarre :s

I kind of agree.

Don't get me wrong anyone, I'm not complaining. I think they are lovely. But if, crudely put, 2C-B is 'a bit like' a mix of LSD and MDMA then I find these to be far more on the mdma side of things. Like I said, I'm not complaining. But my previous experience with 2C-B was with Swiss 'pharm grade' 5mg pills a few years ago. 20mg of these Swiss pills was indescribably more psychedelic than 24/25mg of these pills.

A few days ago I took 5 pills, supposedly 60mg. I couldn't imagine doing 60mg of the Swiss stuff without a lot of dribbling.

There is something different here. Not necessarily bizarre, just different.

 

[duck_racer]

^Exactly the point I was trying to make. They're nice but when you compare supposed total active content the pill form seems far less psychedelic and in my experience much shorter acting...

 

[disambiguation]

There is something different here. Not necessarily bizarre, just different.

I know what you mean........ but I really like the more MDMA style effects of these :D



as a side note I think its exactly what clubland needs at the mo too... lots of warm fuzzy feeling people on a softer trip, makes for a very enjoyable evening

 

[JB]

Set and setting SHM, had 7 one week little visuals, 1 the next week with crazy visuals.

 

[disambiguation]

^Exactly the point I was trying to make. They're nice but when you compare supposed total active content the pill form seems far less psychedelic and in my experience much shorter acting...

I'm not sure about shorter acting.... 4 and some K lasted me 12 hours.


Maybe I am a leightweight!!

lol


:D


I'm gonna have to perform more extensive tests on myself asap!!!!

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Set and setting SHM, had 7 one week little visuals, 1 the next week with crazy visuals.

You know I'd normally agree with this JB....but IMO these are different. As Disambiguation said,

And IMO its sooo much cleaner

To me that's a telling line. I agree with it. But what exactly is 'cleaner' about them is open to opinion. I just think they are far easier to handle than the quite blasted LSD feeling I used to get off the swiss stuff.

And I remind people, I'm not complaining.

Again, Disambiguation.

I think its exactly what clubland needs at the mo too... lots of warm fuzzy feeling people on a softer trip, makes for a very enjoyable evening

I concur absolutely.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm not sure about shorter acting.... 4 and some K lasted me 12 hours.

12 hours? Only ever lasts about 3 or 4 hours for me. Mind you, I take all mine at once.

 

[JB]

Fair enough SHM, only ever had the chance to try 2cb in it's various pill guises.

Never pharm' pure powder.

Would be interesting to see the differances for myself.

 

[disambiguation]

12 hours? Only ever lasts about 3 or 4 hours for me. Mind you, I take all mine at once.

two within two hours then two more taken one at a time about 3 hours apart. but with a gram or so of K.

but the setting was a psychedelic wonderland!!!!!!!!! full on UV and backdrops and fluff! :D



(and for once in my drug taking life less is more!!! i dont want a tolerence of these too quickly!!! :D)

 

[TheSpade]

I'm sure there's diffrent amounts of 2CB in each of these blank pills. Same set and setting both times ive tried it recently and where one pill was quite subtle the first time round the second time one blew my head off...in a good way.

 

[Veeg]

So Im slowly but surely coming down off some luvverly 2cb pills.
This has restored my faith in drugs.
Surely this has to be the new E? Is it better than Ecstacy?

... Its lovely, warm, socilable, happy, colourful, beautiful, lovely, raindow coloured amazingness and its just great fun to be on. Fuckin loving it!.

I remember listening to a mp3 podcast of a public talk given by Ann & Sasha
Shulgin (can link if you wish?) where someone in the audience ask the biggie question: if you were stranded on a desert island and could only take one drug what would it be? Ann answered for both of them and proclaimed 2cb (or 2cb-fly?) !!!

 

[B9]

Jezzus Zoph! You're in for one huge emotional comedown which may lead to comforting depressants. Please take a break!!

FFS you consumed shitloads as well ~ I am kinda used to it ~ I cope ~ I shall again ~ I am going to do as I said (reduce dramatically) but X-mess++++++++ just kinda took over !
what I was driving at was I guess my brain chemistry is right out of chemicals needed to respond to the stimuli provided by the psychedelics ~ This aint nothing new anyway ~ most of you are aware of my excessive and irressponsible intake over the last several months ~ I hear your concern/constructive criticism ~ I intend to heed it ~ over and out ~ typed as a one off no edit or spellchecker !

 

[specialspack]

If they are definitely 12mg the 2cb is nowhere near as potent as the powder I have come across previously, like for like.

Bizarre :s

Although I can't claim to have done a lot of 2C-B, I have sampled it from various different sources - different examples of powder at odd occasions over the past few years, those little tiny pharmaceutical pills many years ago, and the current crop of heart pills.

I'd agree that they seem substantially weaker than the powder I've sampled in the past - 20mg of powder orally I remember being a pretty full experience, whereas taking 3-4 of the heart pills is perfectly possible.

I think everyone is probably right when they say that the amount of active substance in the pills varies quite a bit...

Although some of you (SHM, duck racer, disambiguation) seem to suggest that what we're getting is not 2C-B at all but something different...? I found them to be pretty similar in effects to my other 2C-B experiences (pharm pills, powder).

What else could it be... not 2C-I, possibly 2C-C? I've never tried 2C-C, but it's dosage range would be more compatible.

Has anyone tested the pills with a testing kit? Anyone with reference samples of the other 2Cs should be able to tell the difference...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Although some of you (SHM, duck racer, disambiguation) seem to suggest that what we're getting is not 2C-B at all but something different...? I found them to be pretty similar in effects to my other 2C-B experiences (pharm pills, powder).

What else could it be... not 2C-I, possibly 2C-C? I've never tried 2C-C, but it's dosage range would be more compatible.

Has anyone tested the pills with a testing kit? Anyone with reference samples of the other 2Cs should be able to tell the difference...

I'm not saying they aren't 2C-B....necessarily. There are certain obvious similarities with 2CB I have taken in the past. But very obvious differences too, as outlined, particularly in their psychedelic nature.

It's a conundrum and I am not a chemist. Funny thing is I think I may have met the chemist of these, and I don't think he's a bullshitter (and no I don't know him enough to be able to contact him about these).

It's a very clean, very easy 2C-B.

And, back to Toyah Wilcox, it really is a mystery.

 

[specialspack]

I'm not saying they aren't 2C-B....necessarily. There are certain obvious similarities with 2CB I have taken in the past. But very obvious differences too, as outlined, particularly in their psychedelic nature.

It's a conundrum and I am not a chemist. Funny thing is I think I may have met the chemist of these, and I don't think he's a bullshitter (and no I don't know him enough to be able to contact him about these).

It's a very clean, very easy 2C-B.

And, back to Toyah Wilcox, it really is a mystery.

Can elaborate on the psychedelic differences? You said before that you found it more MDMA-like than LSD-like. Personally, I think saying 2C-B is like a cross between MDMA and LSD is only true in the very broadest sense - it's quite a distinct substance, in every detail.

My gut instinct is of course set and setting.

I'd also look at the dosing pattern - when you say you took 5 of the hearts, was that all at once or over an extended period? Did you try the little pharm pills at high doses, and where they spread out or all at once?

 

[TheSpade]

It's a very clean, very easy 2C-B.

Which is why I love it.

Wouldn't say the powder I had at the start of last year was anymore potent tho. I had 20mg of powder and if anything the last time I did 2CB one of these blank pills def gave me a stronger trip than the 20mg of powder.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Can elaborate on the psychedelic differences? You said before that you found it more MDMA-like than LSD-like. Personally, I think saying 2C-B is like a cross between MDMA and LSD is only true in the very broadest sense - it's quite a distinct substance, in every detail.

My gut instinct is of course set and setting.

I'd also look at the dosing pattern - when you say you took 5 of the hearts, was that all at once or over an extended period? Did you try the little pharm pills at high doses, and where they spread out or all at once?

If you read my previous posts higher up on this page Special, you'll see I use the term 'crude' when reducing 2C-B to a mdma/lsd analogue. But being crude I'll continue.

Some 5 years ago now I scored quite abit of 2C-B from Switzerland, those 5mg pills. I had enough to test them at varying doses, right through from 10mg to 30mg (at least, 25 + 5). In comparison with these, the settings have been virtually identical, the mindset no different, at least not in expectation. I'll add my g/f in to the equation. She was too blown away by the colour changing on 20mg of the Swiss pills (she is not a psychedelic afficianado - she prefers her mdma). When I first got the Swiss pills they came on Shulgins personal reccomendation as a drug we would perhaps love.

'We' didn't love them. I did. G/f didn't. And she had three attempts, at varying doses. The Swiss pills came with paperwork to prove their validity/strength (I was part of a private research group). I cannot illustrate the difference any more than to factor in my g/f who was too blown away by the psychedelic nature of the Swiss pills (too much colour changing for her comfort), but absolutely loves these new ones.

To recap. I've never taken 'hearts' or powder. Actually I lie, I have done powder about 2 years ago and it was a major disappointment. But I have done Swiss 5mg pills (in combos ranging from 10-30mg, all taken at once, apart from the 25 + 5), and I have done these new blanks, and there is a qualitative difference that I simply cannot put down to set and setting.

And I'll say it again. I love the blanks.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

OK, I have an answer to the conundrum which I think I can post here.

A baker was making a cake. Unfortunately the cake mix went wrong. This mix was then passed to Mr Kipling, who bakes exceedingly good cakes. He saved the cake mix. The essence in the mix was still the same. But through other baking processes, and maybe even other ingredients (I don't know about this, I'm surmising this bit) Mr Kipling produced a really fine unique cake.

There we are then. Bakewell Tarts all round.

 

[disambiguation]

OK, I have an answer to the conundrum which I think I can post here.

A baker was making a cake. Unfortunately the cake mix went wrong. This mix was then passed to Mr Kipling, who bakes exceedingly good cakes. He saved the cake mix. The essence in the mix was still the same. But through other baking processes, and maybe even other ingredients (I don't know about this, I'm surmising this bit) Mr Kipling produced a really fine unique cake.

There we are then. Bakewell Tarts all round.

and they are exceedingly good!! :D


and specialspack... I never said i thought it wasn't 2c-b either!! just that the feeling was the same but different in some way.... a nice way though


and SHM.... you lucky devil being involved in a research group with those 2c-b pills!!! do you still have the letter they sent you?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

and SHM.... you lucky devil being involved in a research group with those 2c-b pills!!! do you still have the letter they sent you?

nah, lot less posh than it sounds. Just meant I had access to a few pharm grade 'research chems' for a short while. The paperwork was spectral(?) spectogram (?) test results showing purity of drugs etc. I do have letters from Shulgin though.