2cb to synergize my roll

[meloen1]

Hello everyone!
Soon I am going to a large techno/house festival, and I am going to take 1 and a half pills (180mg MDMA, clean) with me. One of my favroite DJs will be coming (Joris Delacroix, great deephouse music for spacing) so I wanna have a really nice roll. Problem is that I have used MDMA 6 times in 3 months (although half of the times I used 150mg in one night, not more,). Last time I used was 10 days ago, 3/4th of a 180mg pill.
Now I know that I must stop using it on this regular basis and I will, this will be my last time and then I will take a 2 month break.

Because I am afraid that I won''t roll very nice/long because of the short break, and the festival is 11 hours long, I plan to take some 2cb with me to potentiate the MDMA. My goal is to intensify the MDMA experience and to give it a nice psychedelic edge, but I don''t want to have strong visuals at a festival.
I pklan on doing the following (ofcourse preload with 1000mg vitamin C and 400 IU vitamin E):
T 0:00 (7 hours before festival ends): half a pill, from experience this will make me feel very nice but not the BOOM feeling
T 1:30-2:00 : other half, this will ignite the real experience, at least it always does, the second half really gets me going
T 4:00 : last half

Now somewhere in between I want to eat some 2cb to synergize with the MDMA and intensify everything. I see a lot of advice on doing it just when your roll is ending, but I''m not looking for a self-reflection or having visuals like crazy.
What do you guys advice? drop it with the second half ? Or will the body load be too much? And what dose will be good to achieve my goal? I read you need a much lower dose of 2cb when on mdma right? Will 8mg be a good dose?

I must tell, that I have no experience with 2cb (or shrooms or LSD) and probably won''t have the time to do it on it''s own this week, maybe tomorrow (if I do it tomorrow I will take 18mg), but I do have a lot of experience with very strong weed (Amnesia Haze, even hallucinated on that stuff in combination with mdma and had time go 5 times as slow :O), did S-ketamine once (almost k-hole), did amphetamine and 4-fluoroamphetamine.

So what will be a safe dose to not get overwhelmed by visuals but to synergize well with mdma in a dance environment and to give the roll a nice psychedelic adge with some visuals assuming I have not done these psychedelics yet, and when should I take it. I do not want to take it after my roll ends because I want to smoke some weed after and go to sleep. Or is it a bad idea to take a light dose when i havent done 2cb yet?

 

[meloen1]

oh and if I would try it tomorrow, will there be a lot of tolerance 3 days after?

 

[g0to]

According to Shulgin take 5-10mg after the peak to extend the duration and solidify the mdma experience in your mind. I personally would take them together and then redose on the 2c-b (its not bad to redose on 2c's when the time is right). Be careful not to overdo it on 2c-b dose or it may overpower the mdma (this has been the case for me with 2c-p but with 2c-i and 2c-b they really complement mdma). With combining 2c's less is usually more, Ive got limited experience with 2c-b but i remember it having a very euphoric component. Ive dosed 2c's everyday for a few days in a row with good effects, there is a chance you might lose some "magic" if you dont wait a while for tolerance to fully drop but I would try out the 2c-b, especially if you havent done it before and plan on doing it in an festival - I wouldnt combine it before you experience it on its own.

 

[hansimglück]

For such a long time I'd recommend taking the 2cb when you're coming down from the MDMA. The 2cb will bring back the roll quite a bit, delivers it's own euphoria + the psychedelic properties.

 

[meloen1]

Thanks for your replies!
I did 2cb yesterday, with some friends. I dosed 21mg 2c-b HBr, 2 friends did 23mg 2c-b HBr and the last one did 25mg. At the first hour (starting after about 30 mins) visuals were quite amazing, everytihng was waving and awesome patterns formed on the walls, everything was ''breathing''. We went for a walk in the park, the trees were awesome! Then the effects went down a little (after 2 hours after ingestion), I redosed 8mg and half an hour a little bump of ketamine. The hallucinations weren''t as intense as before, but looking at the ceeling waving like crazy with green colors in it, combined with the dreamy K-state and Pink Floyd on the background was simply incredible!
I came down pretty quick, 5-5,5 hours after ingestion of the first dose I wasn''t hallucinating anymore, and I smoked some pot.
Awesome night, though I will up the dose 3-4 mg next time, as it seems my visuals were not as intense as my friends were having them.
Now there was quite strong euphoria most of the time.

I will do 7-8mg of the HBr salt 1 hour after the last half is dropped I think, will this lengthen my roll? Or will there be hardly any effect?
g0to, I rather not redose on the 2c-b. I want the effects of the MDMA to have the upper hand, but it would be nice if 2c-b will add euphoria and some psychedelic component, and lengthen my roll.

And how about tolerance to this stuff, you say that you get good effects on daily use. but does that mean you need to increase the dosage to get the same effects? Say if I do 7-8mg saturday with MDMA, will my tolerance be back to baseline wednesday? Because we had the idea to trip in the forest. Will 3-4mg increase in dose make the experience much intenser, or do I need even more because of tolerance? I do not want to be overwhelmed, due to my inexperience with psychedelics.

hansimgluck, is this for normal doses or also for low doses of 2cb as I''m suggesting?

 

[Bearlove]

Your timings sound pretty much spot on to be twisted for the end of the event and 8mgs is a nice enough dose. I would always advise that on a new drug to use at home first to get the feelings of it (how you react etc) but the doses you state sound pretty good to me! I'm sort of reading your first post and your last one - seems you had a blast - tolerance to 2CB does increase = needing to take more of the substance to gain same effect / less effects on normal dose.

If your mixing it with MDMA then the MDMA tolerance (which grows quickly) can really screw up your 2c experience.

 

[meloen1]

This was a very strange day!
I had good pills, 1,5 yellow triforce and 0,5 red defqon.
I took 120mg (3/4 pill) and after 1,5 hours I felt very nice and relaxed but I was not rolling, so I ate the other 1/4. About half an hour later I rolled (but quite weak) for about half an hour and then the feeling suddenly completely dissapeared, I was sober, when I went outside! I was very pissed off, I didn''t understand. I ate some more (in total 3/4, had 1/4 yellow triforce remainging), and nothing happened, just a happy feeling. I have never had this problem, usually I roll off 3/4th a very strong pill (about 120-140mg). Now about 3,5 hours later I also took the 9mg of 2c-b, I mean nothing was happening so I figured this wouldn''t hurt. I must say that when I was rolling for half an hour I was inside in a very intense environment and the effects completely wore of when I went outside to a stage.
Now half an hour after the 2c-b I was seeing some mild distortions, I went inside again and there was very nice music. Then somehow, 4-4,5 hour after dropping the first pill, everything kicked in at once! This was amazingly intense, probably the second most intense MDMA feeling I have had. This lasted 3 hours, I still felt VERY good, but not amazing as the festival ended and music stopped, but I''m sure I couldve rolled nuts for 1-2 more hours if the music continued.

Now I completely don''t understand what happened. I rolled weakly at the beginning but effects quickly died off. I didn''t seem to get in the right mindset, was somewhat annoyed. Then when I got very positive again in a better environment, it all just hit me.
But why? Most of the time I have a 1,5 hour come-up, now it lasted for ages before I really rolled hard. I didn''t eat before dropping. Could it be that it was the environment wich was not optimal? I also ate too much MDMA, I usually don''t do this much, but I was very pissed off not much was happening.
A 6 week break at least for now...

Has anyone else experienced this?

 

[severely etarded]

I didn''t seem to get in the right mindset, was somewhat annoyed. Then when I got very positive again in a better environment, it all just hit me.

That's common for MDMA. MDMA is a mindset drug!

 

[yanker]

Can someone quickly give me a rundown between the differences of LSD and 2cb please. I've taking acid like 6 times in my life never really enjoyed it cause I felt like the shit would never end. But hearing great things bout 2cb especially mixed w mdma and am tempted to give it a try.

 

[meloen1]

A quick question. To avoid the problem of pills kicking in due to anxiety/irritation, I think 30 minutes before I drop 100mg MDMA, I will take a mix of 10mg 2c-b and 30mg 4-fa. This to get me in the mindset and avoid anxiety, this way I hope to feel really nice on the peak of this mix and focus on the music (2c-b is an amazing party drug on its own on low doses (i have done it quite a few times now) and not waiting for the MDMA to hit me. Then I hope to suddenly get hit by the MDMA. However, im not too sure about 1 things:
-I usually need about 120-140mg to roll hard, but that is when I take 3 week breaks. Now I'm on a 9 week break, so will my tolerance be significantly down? Will the 100mg be too much in combination with the other stuff? My goal is to roll as hard as possible, but not too hard that I have to sit down and that the party is over in the blink of an eye.

 

[Jesusgreen]

For such a long time I'd recommend taking the 2cb when you're coming down from the MDMA. The 2cb will bring back the roll quite a bit, delivers it's own euphoria + the psychedelic properties.

I'd agree. I think MDMA + 2C-B was wonderful, but I'm not sure if it might be a bit of a waste of chemicals, it might be better taking 2C-B right after the MDMA. The reason for this is I've tried 2C-B twice now, once alone, and once in combination with Methylone (bk-MDMA).

You'd think the combination experience would have been better but in fact it was the other way around, it felt like the Methylone added a false plastic sensation to the 2C-B and it wasn't as real, natural, or magical. 2C-B on its own on the other hand was WOW! :D

So yeah, save it for the comedown!

Edit: Oops I'm slow, sounds like you did that. Yeah, that sounds like it was the 2C-B kicking in. 2C-B felt extraordinarily similar to MDMA actually, just a little more spacey and natural, whereas MDMA felt more relaxing, comfortable, and a tiny bit more synthetic.

 

[meloen1]

Yes, I will do 2c-b after rolling as well. But I also want to take a small amount with the MDMA as stated above to potentiate it. So the question in my above post remains.

Also my friend lost the magic with MDMA, and I read quite a lot about the fact that small doses (10mg or so) dropped with the MDMA will bring the magic back somewhat, so I think he will try it as well.

http://www.ecstasy.org/experiences/trip62.html