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2C-T-7 / MDMA - First Time Combo - Dodgy combo

Neo1

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2C-T-7 + MDMA = dodgy combo

Substances used: MDMA, pure, 420mg oral. 2C-T-7 40mg oral + 10mg insulfated, alcohol, cannabis.

My psychedelic dream-cat tried this mixture on Saturday night, and is still recovering.

Reports on Erowid hinted at possible neurotoxicity, which were duely ignored. After all, this cat still has a couple of lives left.

So 10pm saw the ingestion of 120mg of pure MDMA with friends at a feline pub after consumption of 2 pints lager. 12pm saw the ingestion of another 60mg.

1am: Pubs close, so the cats all go their seperate ways. My cat goes home.

2am: another 120mg MDMA. 3am another 120mg MDMA. Total 420mg MDMA 8)

This amount of MDMA makes the cat sleepy and amnesiac, and not-very-smart.

So up pops the bright idea of trying 2C-T-7, to experience those 'mad visuals' that are said to occur on this combo.

2.30am: 30mg 2C-T-7. 3.30 another 10mg 2C-T-7.

It's a strange state to be in, tripping balls and unable to stay awake. At home and the lights are off. Wandering around the flat, which doesn't look like a flat anymore, it's more a coagulation of several realities which peel away one-by-one, showing other realities one after another.

Cat's lying on the bed, occasionally dozing off and then waking up. Every time the eyes close, CEV's are instantly there, and full-on. Geometric shapes swirl and collide behind closed-eyes, scenes begin to form and then warp and dissolve before being fully-formed.

This is something that had been noticed before when mixing MDMA (high-dose) with psychedelics. The visuals become much more pronounced but take on a disorganised, chaotic, confused character. Shapes will be distorted, images will melt and run. There is a degree of mindlessness to it all.

Saw some freaky CEV's of faces with flesh dripping off them, leaving bloody skulls. Not frightening. Why not? It feels strange to see such nasty images and feel no fear or revulsion. I put this down to the MDMA making everything a-ok, dude. Kinda the opposite of taking loads of coke and being afraid of everything even though there's nothing to be afraid of.

Tried to watch some porn but after a while it started looking like some bizzarre alien ritual.

Woke up at 11am after lying there for hours. Noticed 4 x 2.5mg lines of 2C-T-7 already laid out. Did my cat do that last night? Memory loss.

11.30am Lines duely snorted 8(

12.00 Feeling sleepy again, and somewhat dizzy. Little bump from the T7 but not much.

Afterimages persist for about 10 seconds after looking at something and then closing the eyes. Afterimages then melt into undifferentiated blobs of colour.

Doze on and off for the rest of the day, and all the next night. Food is consumed at some point in the evening, which causes nasty stomach cramps.

Much 5-HTP, MSM, and several brain-boosting herbs are consumed to help stave off any permenant effects from this combo.

2 days later: feeling better but still a little sleepy and lethargic.

Conclusion: It was a stupid experiment, and probably quite risky.

MDMA is considered a good add-on to psychedelics because it takes away some of the more fearful aspects, but I find it to be somewhat fake, although it can go quite nicely with LSD if dosages are adjusted appropriately.

I would heartily recommend that people NOT do this combo. It is dangerous, at least at the dosages mentioned above. At some point during the journey, heart rate was up to what seemed like risky levels, and the extreme memory-loss and loss of inhibition is dangerous.

I don't post much in the way of trip reports but I felt that I should do this in the interests of harm-reduction.

Peace,
Neo
 
Hey, I know maybe I should do high dose drug combos that have killed some people = stupid beyond words

ek-stase
 
Not a combo I would try (and I've tried some dumb ones). Especially snorting 10mg the next morning! Ew. Yeah, you probably blew through several years' worth of brain cells that night.
 
I had a rather lovely time with the 2C-T-7/MDMA combo many years ago. No physical danger felt at all. Nothing I'd do again (I really don't care for MDMA with other PEA) but it was nice.
 
Wow man!

Sounds like a pretty steep amount of the old MdMa there . . . I think that alone would have thrown the likes of myself off their trolley. Mind you, given the state that might have put me in, I just might have done what you did...

I don't think I would have added this much of T7 to that mix any more. I also wonder if I'd drained my system with 2 pints of beer prior to such a long ride.

And I wonder if it might have been a good idea to start with the 7 and then later add a more moderate amount of your mood-brightening agent?

Anyway, I don't wanna sound patronising. I'm glad you came out on the other side though. Be safe! %)
 
^^^ I quite agree.

I really hope that others don't do stupid things like this. Similar has killed some folks.

I don't have a death-wish, actually. With RC's, I'm usually ok. But mdma has quite a 'more-ish' aspect for me, and once I get past 250mg I lose sense of reason and then do silly things.

T7 alone is a really nice drug. It doesn't really need anything else, so in future it will be T7 alone :)

Right, I'm off to grow some new brain cells. Think I need 'em.
 
First off, I just tried 2C-T-7 recently for the first time at 16mgs. The stuff is nothing to play with. I enjoyed the trip (though not nearly as much as I have the other 2C's), but my body and mind felt like it was undergoing something more rough than most psychedelics. It felt more like MDA as far as the headspace, but it had an odd feeling (maybe a vibration) seldom leaving my head area, but reaching somewhat into my chest and hardly ever in my stomach (body buzz or tingles). The visuals were not consistent at this dose, and they only lasted for about two hours. Then the euphoric, mental trip set in. It was an odd, complex chemical to say the least. 40mgs of 2C-T-7 and 120mgs of MDMA would defintely send me on a trip to the hospital, and only if I were saved by God would I not die. I understand that different people require different dosages of 2C-T-7, but damn..

What do people here think of 2C-T-7 compared to the other 2C's, specifically 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-C, and 2C-D? I found 2C-E to best "flow" with my natural brain chemistry. It was the most introspective and visual by far, and I know for sure that 2C-T-7 at 50mgs could not match it for me. I could tell at 16mgs that I wasn't completely comfortable with the "style" of the trip. A higher dose would only make it worse.
 
2C-T-7 is a wonderful compound. One hidden from the pockets of the mainstream drug trade. It is a treasure to explore by itself. Not really that great in combination with others, even GHB isn't that great with it.

2C-T-7 is as close to the MDMA euphoria you can get. Its like MDMA euphoria without the stimulating component. Yet the darkside of 2C-T-7 is something to be respected. Do not under-estimate its power, or it will leave you quite frightened.

In my experience 2C-T-7 is a rainbow of psychedelic kandy. With sweet flavours, neon colours and flowing body feelings.

When making love to my partner I did not feel so much an emotional empathic connection. Upon penetration however, every thrust into her bloomed through me energy of the most sublime. Spreading through my body, making me shudder. Euphoria beyond words.

:) Stay safe and respect that which you have been given. Otherwise it will destroy you. :)
 
2ct7 is the weirdo of the phen family !

i know for a fact that there are many people get some very upsetting or worrisome body effects, some to the point of being life threatening which i peronally find difficult to believe !

really for me 2ct7 just fucking rocks ! wish i could get some of it again... sigh....

It's like super cocainized mescaline : intensely exhilarating and madly visual, i really have some trouble understanding how anything can go wrong while under this stuff. But i know that's just me. One has to always keep in mind that this is potentially toxic stuff :(

Such a shame really, such a shame... I mean it could've been such a beautiful phen for everyone !
 
Piper, I 100% agree with you. I need to experiment more with T7 to be sure what I think of it, but for me it hasn't yet really impressed. It had a body load that lasted not just for the come-up, but the whole trip, leaving me just shy of nauseous but definitely not completely comfortable at any point. I didn't see any way in which it compared to MDMA, although as I said, I still need to experiment a little more.

I think I prefer 2C-E, in the same way you do.

Piper methysticum said:
First off, I just tried 2C-T-7 recently for the first time at 16mgs. The stuff is nothing to play with. I enjoyed the trip (though not nearly as much as I have the other 2C's), but my body and mind felt like it was undergoing something more rough than most psychedelics. It felt more like MDA as far as the headspace, but it had an odd feeling (maybe a vibration) seldom leaving my head area, but reaching somewhat into my chest and hardly ever in my stomach (body buzz or tingles). The visuals were not consistent at this dose, and they only lasted for about two hours. Then the euphoric, mental trip set in. It was an odd, complex chemical to say the least. 40mgs of 2C-T-7 and 120mgs of MDMA would defintely send me on a trip to the hospital, and only if I were saved by God would I not die. I understand that different people require different dosages of 2C-T-7, but damn..

What do people here think of 2C-T-7 compared to the other 2C's, specifically 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-C, and 2C-D? I found 2C-E to best "flow" with my natural brain chemistry. It was the most introspective and visual by far, and I know for sure that 2C-T-7 at 50mgs could not match it for me. I could tell at 16mgs that I wasn't completely comfortable with the "style" of the trip. A higher dose would only make it worse.
 
2C-T-7 is one of the few psychedelics I have tried where low dosages simply do not have the rewards that high dosages do. With LSD, 2C-I, iprocin, and others...I have been taken to some very interesting and valuable places on fairly low dosages.

Not with 2C-T-7. Low dosages seem to focus mostly on the bodyload aspect. I get some ok visuals, but really no mentally rewarding effects. I've tried 2C-T-7 at 10mg, 12mg, 20mg, and 25mg. Only when I get to around 35mg does the magic really appear. And there are some body problems in the beginning (nausea, vomiting, not being able to relax), but these go away as the peak begins to build.

I am not encouraging any of you to experiment with 2C-T-7 (much less higher dosages), but I would say to not to completely write the substance off until you take enough to reach a real state of peak experience. It is mighty powerful! For me, this state is reached with 35mg to 45mg. It may be more or less for you. 2C-T-7 is the most erratic of the 2Cs, hands down.

I have yet to sample mescaline, or mescaline-containing cacti. Having said that, 2C-T-7 is (for me) the ultimate phenethylamine. It combines the warmth, euphoria, and bliss of a powerful MDMA or MDA experience with unspeakably rich, beautiful, visuals. If psychedelics were crayons...2C-T-7 would be the bright, florescent set that comes with them all. No psychedelic has ever produced the color-show I get with 2C-T-7. Not even LSD. The emotional effects are outstanding. Most 2C-T-7 trips have reduced me to tears at the sheer beauty of it all. But it is not just happiness, it is an almost spiritual euphoria...whatever that is. 2C-T-7 has a very special therapeutic aspect to it as well. I found it most useful in healing after a breakup. Again, very MDA or MDMA-like in its healing aspect.

Only 2C-E has been able to compete with 2C-T-7 for a place at the top. While visually the colors of 2C-E are quite faded and drab compared to 2C-T-7. Mentally, it lacks the warmth and euphoria. But it has a penetrating aspect (which reminds me of LSD) that I don't get with 2C-T-7. 2C-T-2 reminds me of 2C-T-7 (as well as 2C-I) but it falls far short of either for me. 2C-B has a lot of the euphoria of 2C-T-7, but it falls short in depth. And while visually spectacular...2C-B still doesn't approach the sensory orgasm that I get with 2C-T-7.
 
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