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2C-T-7 (20mg insufflated) - Inexperienced - What have I done?

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Yesterday I got a phone call from a friend who claimed he had a good bit of 2C-T-7. I had taken good acid with this guy, talked with him about research chems, and hung out over a week period, but hadn't heard from him since then, until last night. I picked up 200mg, and decided to do 20mg up the nose. I had a sober friend present who had agreed to be my sitter for the night. I smoked weed before and after I did it, to somewhat settle my nerves.

After 5 minutes I'm noticing altered perception, odd muscle sensations, and slight nausea. After 7-10 minutes I'm starting to feel very nausious, and hurl a couple times. My sitter is getting worried, but I do my best to reassure them that it's probably just due to it all hitting me at once, and becoming overwhelming. After 25 minutes or so I was noticing strong CEV's and OEV's, along with some auditory distortions, which are hard to describe. The weed is helping the nausea, but also seems to be intensifying the effects of the 2C-T-7. I stop smoking. The visuals at this point are some of the most impressive and detailed I've ever had, covering my whole field of vision and morphing everyday objects into what appear to be different types of abstract paintings. My muscles feel like they are having trouble moving as fluently as they normally do.

After 45-50 minutes I'm feeling extremely dissociated from reality. Nothing seems real. Everything looks cartoonish, painted, or fake. When I attempt to walk around I notice a definite loss of coordination and everything is trailing. I'm also noticing some really strange auditory hallucinations which has only every happened a couple times to me, and they wouldn't even compare to these. Voices sound deeper and kind of echo. I'm starting to have a hard time communicating with my sitter, which is scaring both of us from what I can tell. I start remembering myself being more sober when I was smoking, and start attempting smoking again in hopes of mellowing out. I can barely hold the bowl to light it, and start becoming more and more aware of how fucked up the physical functioning of my body is. I remember wondering if I'd gone insane as I was coming up with all of these really abstract thoughts out of nowhere. I am very frightened part of the way through the bowl, and get up to go to the bathroom. I have no idea why I was going to the bathroom, but I was. On the way, everything started this repetitive echoing, I felt very very off balance, and I guess collapsed. I don't remember much after that. The rest I have been told.

My sitter tells me that after I collapsed they called over other friends who were a bit more experienced. They said I laid on the floor for about a minute or 2 max, and then attempted to stand up and they tried to help me. I attempted to talk to them but it was nothing but gibberish and mumbling. I'm normally a very peaceful person, which is why it surprised me when i was told that I got aggressive many times throughout the night. They said I started raising my voice and appeared to be angry, but they couldn't tell why. I supposedly even tried to hit someone a while later when more people were around, and the person has a temper, so they almost attacked me. I was told that they finally calmed me down enough to lay me down on a bed. There were a myriad of other small psychotic episodes that happened throughout the night that I don't even have full details on yet. It's quite disturbing that I can't remember most of what happened after I fell.

I woke up this morning and I was still quite sluggish, my speech was still somewhat slurred, and I was still confused. I remained in this state until around 11 or 12 o'clock. Since then it's been progressively getting better, but I still feel far from baseline. I don't think it's normal to feel this way this long after an experience, anyone got advice?


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Sounds like you came pretty close to the end last night. The extreme dissociation and violent behavior are both signs of an overdose, and ocurred in all fatal incidences with 2C-T-7 that I've read about. I would stick with using it orally if I were you, or anyone for that matter.
 
why on earth do 20mg? five minutes research online would have told you that this is way too much. Anyway, looks like you find that out the hard way.
 
This was your first experience with 2C-T-7? It was very unwise to take it by insufflation your first time, let alone at 20mg, but I'm sure you know that now. I'm glad you're OK, but you really need to be more responsible.
 
It wasn't my first experience with 2C-T-7. I've previously done 25mg orally, and the effects were nothing like this. I would have researched the dose a little, but I was assured that 20mg insufflated should have been ok. Now that I've looked around a bit, I can see it is pretty extreme.
 
^^ Note to self: look around and do research BEFORE dosing at a dangerously high level. ;)

Who told you that 20mg insufflated would be OK? If I were you I'd already be planning my ass-whupping of this individual. But even if it was someone you normally trust, you would have been wise to double-check the info on Erowid first.

I'm really glad you're OK. I hope you learned something from the experience.
 
Damn man that sounded exactly like some other reports that didnt end up with very good endings.

Im glad youre ok and thanks for the report.
 
Synto said:
anyone got advice?
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Don't snort 2C-T-7. The high is terrible, nothing like an oral dosage. You mentioned you took 25mg orally. The effects of 2C-T-7 (for me) only become full and satasfying at 35mg or more. Maybe you have a similar tolerance like me to oral dosages. Most PEAs get me with little dosages, but 2C-B and 2C-T-7 don't get me till I take really high dosages. Try a higher dose orally of 2C-T-7 to enjoy it. This drug should not be snorted!
 
On erowid it says this about snorting:

Insufflating 2C-T-7 has lead to at least 2 deaths and seems to lead to increased body load and negative effects in many people. Because dosage between users varies so wildly, it is dangerous for first time users to snort more than a few milligrams because people have had dissociated, overwhelming experiences on as little as 6mg insufflated. It is imperative that dosed be meaured using a milligram scale for accuracy.

I can say myself i would never insufflate it and i wouldn't recommend anyone doing it either cause it seems real dangerous.

You also took quite a bit too much so it's a good thing u didn't die.
 
Thanks for the report, yeah since you had 200mg, you should of stuck to at least another oral trip before you decided to snort it. Snorting PEAs, even ecstacy, I think is terrible, because as said by others, it increases bad side effects without really making the trip more mentally intense.
 
Just wanted to point out that I had an incredible experience on 22mg of 2C-T-7. After one year away from the beautiful material.

Ahhh... This material is amazing... Even in the most difficult circumstances it shows you places so beautiful and serene. Just laying there close to sleep... Hmmmm. Making love on it was so amazing, although not very empathetic, I had orgasm after orgasm... Ejaculation was not that eventful, since I felt I had already had a large number of orgasms.

I am glad this one is hard to find, but its still around if you look hard enough...

Hopefully the information regarding 2C-T-7 will help avoid situations like this. I think we all agree Synto that you were very close to not making it out of that experience alive.

I foolishly came close too, after ingesting a small dose of MDMA and 2C-T-7. But I guess thats how we learn. Atleast you and your friends will never attempt to do that again. ;)

All the best.
 
Aieeee, yeah, as many people in this thread already told you: Don't Snort 2C-T-7. That just can't be good, especially with a chemical of its caliber...
 
Wait....your speech slowed to the point you couldn't communicate properly, you had visual and auditory hallucinations which were scaring both you and your sitter, and then you collapsed, and nobody called a paramedic?

That is just as fucking frightening as your trip itself. I'm sorry to hear you had such a nasty experience (when I first saw the title "2ct7 - 20mg insufflated - what have I done?", I thought Yeah I'd be asking myself that same question), hope things are better for you now :)
 
If you have to snort 2C-T-7, then please don't do it all at once!

There's really no need to do that. The only advantage available to *some* people through snorting, is that you can administer a very small amount initially.

Why bypass this by going for 20mg in one go?

I have taken in excess of 20mg several times but would never do so in a single line. When insufflated the effects of 2c-t-7 are so rapid that few psychoauts could handle the intensity without spinning out in someway.
 
I have been meaning to write up a TR for a couple years now. I tried 2-C-T-7 nasally before I had even heard of PEA's on the advice of a friend who knew alot about it. This was well before the deaths. I snorted an unknown amount which was basically the spot in a folded foil that would fit under the rolled up bill without moving it. I still can't decide how much it was. Certainly a match head or less. I do know that my world was rocked. All the things the original poster reported except no ill body effects. No nausea, headaches, body pains. QUite the contrary....I felt very good. I did have coordination problems which I blamed on the intense visuals making it hard to navigate stairs but I now realize that my movements were overall quite calculated and deliberate and muscles were not fully responsive. I had also consumed a couple alcoholic drinks earlier and a codeine pill and about 1/2 mg of xanax. I know it sounds scary and based on the extreme visuals I had, I may have been in danger but I never got violent. I was a bit scared at first by the quick ascent but I kept it under control and enjoyed it amazingly. I kept thinking that nobody would use acid or x if they knew. If I was shown that level of visual and auditory halucinations on LSD or mushrooms, I would have been curled into a ball in the corner. On this...I had an amazingly clear head and mind. I would love to replicate the experience although I now realize it was a bit more dangerous than L or MDMA. After that night, I immediately researched it and found out about the first death and then a week or 2 later it was emergency scheduled. I got to try some orally from a different batch years later and the experience was all body load and no fun. Not sure if the difference was because of route of administration or different samples but it was very different the second time. I will write up a great trip report someday because the experience was etched in my mind that night.
 
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It is very interesting to read old reports. I didn't comment before, but I think it is remarkable that violence in conjunction with too large an insufflated dose of 2C-T-7 seems to be a common theme. I'm curious if this individual is still around, and can answer if they had previous violent tendencies.

Orally, 2C-T-7 is my favorite psychedelic and it is hard to imagine that the drug can become quite dangerous in the wrong hands (and when taken the wrong way.) Taken orally, I find the trip a bright, beautiful, serene, and heart and soul opening experience. Insufflated however, 2C-T-7 was rather unpleasant and I would never repeat it. When snorted, the trip was an intense, mind-bending, and seemingly physically toxic experience. The different routes of administration almost make it seem like two different drugs. Well, I suppose in some sense they are.

I do hope that anyone who comes into contact with 2C-T-7 reads reports like this, and exercises extreme caution by sticking with (properly measured) oral dosages, or insufflates no more than 4mg or 5mg in the space of an hour or so.
 
Ya, im glad to hear ur okay after snorting such a high dose of a chemical known to have killed people. Ive been wanting to try 2c-t-7 and a few other RCs for a while, but the only RCs that have been available around here have been AMT, 5-meo AMT,2c-i, and DPT.
 
morninggloryseed said:
It is very interesting to read old reports. I didn't comment before, but I think it is remarkable that violence in conjunction with too large an insufflated dose of 2C-T-7 seems to be a common theme. I'm curious if this individual is still around, and can answer if they had previous violent tendencies.

Orally, 2C-T-7 is my favorite psychedelic and it is hard to imagine that the drug can become quite dangerous in the wrong hands (and when taken the wrong way.) Taken orally, I find the trip a bright, beautiful, serene, and heart and soul opening experience. Insufflated however, 2C-T-7 was rather unpleasant and I would never repeat it. When snorted, the trip was an intense, mind-bending, and seemingly physically toxic experience. The different routes of administration almost make it seem like two different drugs. Well, I suppose in some sense they are.

I do hope that anyone who comes into contact with 2C-T-7 reads reports like this, and exercises extreme caution by sticking with (properly measured) oral dosages, or insufflates no more than 4mg or 5mg in the space of an hour or so.
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Yeah, I'm still around. Heh, I remember writing this TR scared shitless because I was still really physically fucked up (in a bad way) and that was the longest I'd ever really been that negatively altered from insufflating anything. It brings back some shitty memories. One of the few times I've been really close to death. Remembering shit like this just makes me appreciate my life more now, as it is.

Anyways, to answer MGS, no I had never really had any violent tendencies prior to the trip. I'm not a violent person, and that's why I had a hard time believeing it when I was told by others about the behavior but there were witnesses. It was a continuous violence throughout the night too. They would calm me down, and 20 minutes later I'd become violent again from what they said. Oral administration does seem to be a different experience completely. I always enjoyed taking it orally, and have since this experience. Always been to scared to attempt insufflation again, even with a drastically reduced dose though.

I can't caution those who do choose to insufflate 2C-T-7 enough. I know I snorted a large dose, but it seems as though most of the people I've talked to about it have all had negative or unpleasant experiences, many dangerous. The effects aren't nice enough to risk your safety and livelyhood in my opinion.
 
I certainly am not condoning insuffulation of 2C-T-7 but I can tell you that my first and only insuff experience was an absolute success. I have experimented for 20 years with various psychedelic states and nothing has come close to this. I later acquired some T7 "on the street" and I and a few others tried it orally and one tried to slowly insuffulate small bumps up to 20 mg total and none of these experiments could ever come close to my first experience. I have decided that the sample must be considerably inferior. That's what happens on the street I guess.

And we really don't even know if other samples are proper either so we cannot really draw many absolutes about the compound unless Shulgin gave it to us or something. We will probably never really know since our govt doesn't want anyone to know.
 
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