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2C-T-4 - 2nd time - Becoming the vibration

lungfreeamerica

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2c-t-4/ 2nd time/ becoming the vibration

ahhh my first post(be gentle)

(i had planned on keeping a journal for this trip so that i could give more detail here but i had no ability to write or even keep a train of thought during this, so sorry for the absence of time and specific detail in this report) . me and my friend(b) dosed at 8 pm. b took the two 8 mg capsules orally and i snorted both*. i began to feel the effects in about 20- -30 minutes.( i should note that i threw up during the onset pretty violently but after that there wasn't to much nausea, probably because of the method of ingestion)

It all started with a vibration throughout my body, something i have never experienced with and other substance. this vibration began to grow and at the peak was my main focus. but i think i am getting ahead of myself. While the vibration started i went to my room to lay down. this was similar to a heavy dose of mushrooms to the effect that the substance "grounded" me. i had no desire to get up off my bed(or maybe i couldn't?) either way i stayed in this position for about an hour and a half or so listening to the pixies softly.

during this and especially during the peak i could close my eyes and i would hear every electrical devices vibrations very distinctly and would become this vibration (when i say this i mean that while my eyes were closed i was not myself but just a single fast vibration of energy) this in itself put many thoughts into my mind about a vibration actually being another dimension that we can not grasp. i wont elaborate on my actual thoughts though because they were so hard to remember and when i say them out loud they just sound kind of like gibberish. so once the plateau hit me i was able to walk around my apartment and talk with my roommate and b who by this time was just feeling the onset (because it was taken orally according to shlugin it should have taken an 1 and a 1/2 to 2 hours to come on .

B told me that he was trying to read when all the words started to move. so i sat on the couch with him and we talked about nothing in particular. through out the experience i would often turn to my girlfriend and tell her this was alot like mdma. thinking back on it now touch was similar but it produced no sense of empathy, well being, or self worth. the whole experience also was rather sleepy, i could at will fall in and out of consciousness with ease and experience lucid type dreaming. The come down for me started at about 6 in the morning when i looked at a very familiar tree and it was the only thing in my visual Field that wasn't morphing and twisting.

This was pretty comforting and i felt that sleep was much needed. so i went to bed and slept a good 10 hours. overall- i really enjoy this for the strange body high. the visuals were always growing and morphing (nothing was stable visually through out the trip) and if i could even begin to describe what i saw it was close to a Persian rug, and a strobe light effect of red color.

* just a note, through from other reports that i have read and friends that have taken this substance orally it doesn't seem to work as well. although i am not suggesting this to anyone who is not experienced with tripping, because it comes on VERY strong this way. -lungfreeamerica

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please no waving fingers at me for insullfation of fairly unknown rc's as i know the risk i take and do not advocate it during the report.
 
TR is a flames free forum ( ;) ) so I suggest you just sit back and congratulate yourself on a great report. :D

I'm just going to add some paragraphs though...
 
lungfreeamerica said:
please no waving fingers at me for insullfation of fairly unknown rc's as i know the risk i take and do not advocate it during the report.

Heh.. I wouldn't dream of insufflating 2C-T-4. Maybe it's usefull in reducing the tripping time (oral 2C-T-4 is rather long acting), but other than that, I see no advantages at all with snorting 2C's.

Could you give us an estimate about how long your experience took?
 
I would say 8 - 9 hours from the onset before i was able to feel like i was heading towards baseline. Although even while trying to fall asleep there was a bit of stimulation. The next day i was a bit off, simple tasks could easily confuse me, but it wast that hard to deal with.
 
^^ WOW. THat is a long time for an insufflated dose.

I find it very interesting that 2C-T-4, perhaps alone among the 2C-X's (?) has a strong sedative quality. That alone makes me very curious about it.

Nice report.
 
^^ I was struck, though, by this passage in the above report:

the whole experience also was rather sleepy, i could at will fall in and out of consciousness with ease and experience lucid type dreaming.

I've never found the ability to fall asleep while tripping with any psychedelic, at least not with anything near a regular dose. I can't even fall asleep on traditional dissociatives.
 
i should note before this gets discussed any further that i haven't taken many dissociatives so the feeling is quite new to me and explaining something so strange is a hard thing to do, my wording for the feelings i was having is a bit contorted.. And im not being entirely literal in the report either , sleepy might have been a bad word to use. comfortable is probably better, i had no desire to move around or even to communicate with the few people in the apartment. also when i say lucid dreaming again im not being totally literally. i have a very good imagination and while under the influence 2c-t-4, the imagination was able to run completely wild(while feeling "comfortable") so i was able to see my self (with eyes closed but they weren't cev's) in different scenarios and situations that weren't all that normal. so i associated this with dreaming. sorry for the confusion. but at no time was i in the true sense tired or sleepy.
 
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"Heh.. I wouldn't dream of insufflating 2C-T-4. Maybe it's usefull in reducing the tripping time (oral 2C-T-4 is rather long acting), but other than that, I see no advantages at all with snorting 2C's. "
- blowmonkey -

One major advantage IMHO is the predictability that come from insufflation.

I, for one, do not enjoy the drawn out(seemingly) period where I am waiting for something to happen and have a very loose idea of how long it is going to be before I start feeling the effects of a drug.

For me, mindset is almost as important as doage - i.e. being able to accurately predict when I will start tripping my balls off can allow me to take dosages that would be scary were I sitting around in anticipation of a "sudden onslaught".
 
SpellmanT7 said:
One major advantage IMHO is the predictability that come from insufflation.

I think if you were talking about smoking it, where effects manefest almost instantly, I would agree with you.

But insufflation is no more predictable than oral use. If I snorted a line of 2C-T-4, I would have no idea how it would hit me, how hard, or how long it will last. This is because I have no experience with insufflated 2C-T-4.

Orally however, I can predict familar psychedelics like LSD, 2C-T-7, 2C-I, 2C-B, morning glory, and others to the tee. When I take, say, 2C-T-7...I know exactly when I will feel it first (45 minutes), when the peak begins (3 hours), when the visuals will reach a peak (closer to five hours), and when I start coming down, which is around seven hours on T7.

Whether or not you enjoy the long comeup of many oral phenethylamines is no reflection on the predictability of any substance.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I found 2C-T-4 more dissociating than sedating.

Now that I think about it, I am really not sure why I said this. 8) In reviewing my own notes on 2C-T-4...

>I’m so relaxed I’m starting to fall asleep I think.

and

>I seemed to have almost fallen asleep. I went into a trance-like state
>where I had very little awareness of the outside world.

plus

>Very dreamy and trance-like in nature, I almost seems like I keep falling
>asleep. But I’m not sleepy. This is almost dissociative in nature. I keep
>opening my eyes and forgetting where I am or that I am even tripping.
>This is a very strange material.

Heh, guess I kinda forgot. Now I am curious to try this one again now. Only tried it the one time back in early 2003. If I do, I will take much less that I did before. Prolly no more than 10mg, 12mg.
 
morninggloryseed said:
But insufflation is no more predictable than oral use.

Even less.. You can't know how much is going to be absorbed in the nose and how much is dripping down your throat.. Insufflating compounds nearly always comes down to taking a little oral and taking a little snorted, you just don't really know what to expect.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I think if you were talking about smoking it, where effects manefest almost instantly, I would agree with you.

But insufflation is no more predictable than oral use. If I snorted a line of 2C-T-4, I would have no idea how it would hit me, how hard, or how long it will last. This is because I have no experience with insufflated 2C-T-4.

Orally however, I can predict familar psychedelics like LSD, 2C-T-7, 2C-I, 2C-B, morning glory, and others to the tee. When I take, say, 2C-T-7...I know exactly when I will feel it first (45 minutes), when the peak begins (3 hours), when the visuals will reach a peak (closer to five hours), and when I start coming down, which is around seven hours on T7.

Whether or not you enjoy the long comeup of many oral phenethylamines is no reflection on the predictability of any substance.

I can't disagree with any of this - it does make sense.

I guess the one thing I would say (notice I didn't use 'argue', I certainly dont want to start arguing over something so variable on a user-to-user basis) is that when insufflated, it appears most users will feel at least some effects from a normal dose of substance XYZ.

I do recall Shulgin's Lab Assistant commenting on insufflation providing an opinion, that suggested physiological reasons favoured insuff. as a more uniformly active method of drug administration. Of course, without quote or context, I am not going to get into that. I like to think that bluelight is not founded on 2nd conditional statements!
 
SpellmanT7 said:
it appears most users will feel at least some effects from a normal dose of substance XYZ.


Define a normal dosage! A dosage is really how much it takes to feel the effects. This varies from person to person, as well as substance to substance.
 
thanks botaanik.
Personally when insulffating a psychedelic im looking to shorten the come up and to intensify the experience.
This could also be acheived by smoking, but having nasty chemical taste in the mouth, throat and lungs isn't that pleasant. After trying the chemical orally, i decided to use this report for BL because there was so much more going on mentally, even if it was a bit more confusing. i would defiantly say that blowing it moved the experience from a +2 that was flirting with a +3 into a pretty defined +3. And as far the drip goes, with such a small ( tiny) dose not much goes all the way through the nasal cavity if any. With larger amounts of substance going through there your forcing some to drip, but 8 mg in each nostril i so small. I don't remember feeling a definite drip or my sinus's acting up. This report was originally written in May so its actually been a while, but i do remember not sniffling (or at least trying not to)
 
I tried a small oral dose of 2C-T-4 recently and found it very stimulating, not at all sedating or dissociative. Absolutely no body load / tension at all though, unlike other stimulating phenethylamines.
 
My smaller dose of 2C-T-4 was pretty stimulating with a very nice warm-tingly tactile feeling. It seems to be more sedating as the dose is increased. I'm just having trouble finding the fully active dose.
 
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