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2C-T-21 - First time - 2C-T-Not-That-Fun

warpus

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Last evening, my psychonautical co-pilot and I decided to test the relatively obscure compound 2C-T-21. Previously, we read only a handful of detailed reports from this sight and erowid, and the they varied quite a bit. None-the-less, 2C-T-21 seemed like a worthwhile compound to try. This will be a brief report because, well, there isn't too much to say about it, especially after a fairly recent testing of 4-Ho-DiPT and 2C-I.

At 8:30pm 8mg of 2C-T-21 was consumed orally in juice. The first alerts we're felt in about 45-60 minutes. It was really difficult tell if something was happening, because I'd feel altered for a minute, and then completely normal the next. It wasn't until about 90 minutes I was certain I was coming up. This felt a bit like the MDMA elevator, but I wasn't sure to which floor it was going to take me. However, I was happy to take the ride to whever it went. I noticed this elevator would go up, and then down, and then back up a little higher. It was a fun ride, sure, but I don't think it let me off anywhere. The highest point on this ride led me to a soft ++, conversation was easy, and I was in a good mood. There wasn't any depth or cosmic insight. My co-pilot had a similar experience, but only managed to reach single + and was completly baseline in about four hours. For me this experience lasted about six hours to seven hours and ended with a headache reminiscent of 18mg of 2C-I. Perhaps, an evening stuck in an elevator will do that to you.

(title edit - Meanie)
 
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You wont get a whole lot more from 2c-t-21 than you have reported here but there is a breakthrough point where you will get a bit more than what you have described. For me it was at ~12mg give or take 2mgs. Sadly though I got that headache all three times Ive done it.
 
I think might will be a while before I experiement with this one again. This material seemed a bit toxic to me. Atleast with 2C-I, the headache was a well earned one after what was an otherwise amazing experience. I wonder if headaches are a common trait of all of the 2Cs.
 
The 2C-T-X chemical family doesn't seem too appealing to me. I have interest in 2C-T-7, but that's about it. I barely have an interest in that either.
 
^^ I'm quite interested in 2C-T-7, but of course it's now quite hard to find. I'm a little less interested in 2C-T-2 because of the commonness of nausea. I'm also quite interested in 2C-T-4, but with more reserved judgment until more reports are in.

But 2C-T-21 was just as boring for me as you described, warpus. I also plan to try a higher dose sometime (I startd with 8mg, or was it 10?), but I don't have high hopes. :(
 
I just want to add that when I did 2C-T-21 there was a much less toxic feeling than with 2C-I. I had slight nausea while coming up, but that didn't persist for long. Aside from that it felt good on the body.

I wouldn't call 2C-T-21 exactly boring, but it isn't exactly all that interesting either. I've been hearing good reports of it being mixed with 2C-C, so I may try that at one point, but I haven't really had the urge to try it again since my first experience with it.
 
Yeah 2C-T-21 to me is boring on its own. If you like 2C-C, or, maybe not LOVE it or anything, but, doesn't hurt to take it, just a little bit of C21 added to it will make quite the difference! Lower the dose of 2C-C, and just add...5mg or so, of the other. You can adjust the dosages of both, but 30mg 2c-c and just 5-6mg of 2c-t-21 gave me incredible visuals, "eye candy" , patterns everywhere, color everywhere you look, colors are so amplified my toilet looked totally BLUE, and i realised, it was just a very small bit of the blue sky outside coming in. I haven't tried yet but some time i'd like to try just maybe 10mg of 2c-c and ~3mg 2c-t-21, i'm guessing mostly the super-color effect will stand out most. At 20-30mg 2c-c and 5-8mg 2c-t-21 the visuals get quite intense, although you aren't sucked into a heavy trip like 2c-e. You do see a lot of colors that, just are not there though :)

I found while looking out a window on a sunny day, that I can control this color thing somewhat, like making a red car, turn blue, or even most of my vision turn 'black and white', just by thinking about it. I have not tried 'reversing' the dosages though, like maybe 12mg C21 and just ...10mg 2C-C, but the other way around works so good I haven't gotten around to trying that yet. Both of these chems alone seem rather boring, and I probably won't take either one separate again.
 
I've not yet taken 2C-T-21, but based on my experiences with a few other 2Cs, I'll wager this one has a steep dose/response curve. For instance, 20mg of 2C-E was twice as intense as 16mg. I'd imagine a few more milligrams would dramatically change things. I look foward to investigating this one myself. Regardless of this report, I've heard many nice things about 2C-T-21. Shulgin said in private conversations that is was one of his favorites. Not that it means much, as far as what he likes. But I am hopeful 2C-T-21 will prove to be a nice ally.
 
You're a bit slow on the uptake there MGS - I remember you saying that you were looking forward to this one in october last year :)

I found 12mg quite fun. (Unpleasant body load, but an excellent group experience)
 
It's not for everyone. The dose varies considerably, I like 6mg but I have friends who need twice that much to get anywhere. Some get nausea, some get the headache the next day. The headache does not seem to be dose related. Even the beneficial effects can be capricious. For as much as you develop an exquisite appreciation for beautiful things, you develop an exquisite irritation with, well, irritating things. But in spite of all that I just love the space that chemical puts me in, a zone of languid sexiness where music sounds beautiful and everything seems to be bathed in candle light. I think it just has to work for you, it has to talk to you and you have to be fortunate enough I guess not to get too many side effects from it. I guess we are all looking to get a little something different out of our experiences.
 
The more and more I read about 2C-T-21, the less and less hopeful I am. I was first excited after hearing a private plug for it from Shulgin. I made my excitement known in this thread. But after reading a bunch of new reports on 2C-T-21, and reviewing the old ones, I am wondering if I will even bother to try it.

The presense of a moderatly annoying bodyload seems to be an almost consistant theme with dosages at or higher than 8mg. There are the reports of mild visuals and a pleasantly enjoyable euphoria with T-21, but nothing really more than that.

I don't recall reading one significantly profound report at all last night, when I read a bunch of write-ups on T-21 at erowid. Plus, I have had conversations with a few folks that recently tried it and they were less than impressed. I am wondering if it is even worth it now. I'd definitely do less than 8mg now. But it [2C-T-21] is definitely low on the list of "I wanna try."

I may be almost inclined to agree with the above...that the 2C-Ts are less than impressive. Now I love 2C-T-7. 2C-T-7 is a gem. I have discussed what I love about it in many older threads (when it was popular). But the others...2C-T-2 is ok, but the bodyload and nausea I get make it a no go pretty much. 2C-T-4 was plain weird, but I'll admit I've only worked with it once. Still, it didn't seem like one I would find myself taking more than a few times.

Of course, I've only tried those three. So I really can not write off the whole series. 2C-T sounds fairly interesting. And there was one other that sounded ok. Can't remember which one though. But none other than 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 sound really that great from reading PIHKAL. I don't really even feel 2C-T-2 measured up to the praise it got in PIHKAL.

Just thinking out loud. :)
 
mgs, I suggest you try it and form your own opinion. I agree that it hasn't offered any particularly profound insight so far. It has provided a very interesting mood-lift and definite increased sociability. In the long run, I feel it is more valuble when taken in combination with 2C-C. The body-load is minimal with smaller amounts, and the colorful synergy with 2C-C is absolutely breathtaking.
 
It's a rapturous compound provided you take what it has to offer and don't assume it's like the other 2cts because it ain't. This ain't no 2c-t-7 and you shouldn't expect cosmical insighful revelation on this stuff. It's very euphorizing (in a mescaline sort of way not a la meth !) in a psychedelic way, and as iom said makes for good socialization and mood lifting. It's an absolute psychedelic delight. Visually it ain't no winner though.. again this ain't 2ct7 or 2ct2 ! Crystal clear transparency of mental bliss is what this experince is all about. I think if MDMA is ecstasy, then 2ct-21 should be called "bliss".

Just take what it has to offer without any prejudice and you will be rewarded with a great experience. In my experience 11mg is th perfect dosage (yes 1mg of difference can definitely be felt).

i didn't know it was one of shulgin's fav but i certainly see where he's coming from !
 
I have to admit that I was disappointed the first few times as well, but after I just let myself experience it and quit trying to compare it to the other 2c's, it really is quite a treat.

As mentioned, it is COMPLETELY different than the other 2c's and visuals are not where it's at with this one. However, I have found it to be a very synergistic combo with 2cd. Taking the two together is like a completely different drug.

So I enjoy it with 2cd and I am interested to try it with 2cc one of these days. I think it will combine nicely with the other phens, but it really is nice by itself as well. Just take in the experience for what it is because it's not like the other phens.

By itself, this is a very good compound for social situations at the 8-10mg level. I've only tried it up to 12mg so far but as mentioned, every mg counts with this one. VERY quick climb in effects as you bump the dose up.

Enjoy!
 
I thought 2ct21 was a good 'starter' psychedelic. It was my first tripping experience in 10 years and was perfect for that. I've only taken it once by itself though.

There is a subtlety to it that was unique and memorable but not mind blowing (which is not what I was after at the time). The most tangible aspects were the very sensual body feelings/mood that it put me under and the massive brightening of colors during the first 3 hours.

Perfect substance for a winter's night at home listening to music.
 
I'm so busy lately, but I plan to write that 2C-T-21/2C-C report sooner or later. I will say that the combo had far more to offer than either compound alone. The colors and patterns were absolutely amazing!

Anyway, 2C-T-21 has a rather odd effect where we feel inexplicably dizzy and uncoordinated. 2C-T-21 reminded us a lot of a moderate alcohol buzz without the mental booze haze.
 
^^^^

In my case it was more like mescaline withoutthe serious psychedelic part !
 
I just finished my studies with 2ct-21 today after about 6 months. I gave up on it since it seems to produce more neurotoxicity as usage went on. A most mentally drain backing experience. Peace, Spinal
 
Spinal said:
I just finished my studies with 2ct-21 today after about 6 months. I gave up on it since it seems to produce more neurotoxicity as usage went on. A most mentally drain backing experience. Peace, Spinal

Spinal,

Could you elaborate some for us please on your expereinces?

For example with six months of research, what were the doses you worked with, how often were you doing it, about how much total chemical in this timeframe did you consume? Perhaps this will help those of us less experienced with this compound.

Also, most importantly, you mention you notice neurotxicity with cummulative use. What symptoms did you notice that you are attributing to the neurotoxicity? This could be important to other to keep an eye out for when doing their own research.

Depending on your usage pattern, it would be interesting to see if this neurotoxicity is related to continuous prolonged use and if dosing intermittantly with a longer break in between experiences avoids the neurotoxicity.

Thanks in advance!

-gp
 
I'd be glad to elaborate, I wasn't really up to it last night.


I started with 12 mg's back in febuary, over all a good experience no hangover, and a good trip leaving me impressed with the sensory stimulis it produced. Afterwords I would use it weekly. Mostly at the 7mg to 10 mg range, this was good at work and helped me interact much more socially and focus much harder my job. I even set a record for how fast someone could work and correctly compleat there job (Please note that I DO NOT advocate taking any sort of drug, RC or otherwise, at work. Just because I used t-21 at work in a setting where I knew I would be safe and unharmed by repercussions it is still not a justification for it. Bad idea).

This continued for roughly a month. After that time I started to notice a change. The good part of the high started to fade and leave me with stimulation and a headake towards the tailend of the trip. Possibly serotonin depletion. Fallowing a break of about two months and going through roughly 70 mg's, I revisited it adding 4mg's to 10 mg's 2-ce. 2-ce has never given me any of these fealings out of the 4 times I've works with it. Maybe because it's smoother all around or maybe because I've really moderated its usage since it's such a powerful drug. However, the t-21 left my body fealing tired and weak, I could feal the headake over the rest of the high at it was quite unpleasant. I knew then I could not work with t-21 anymore becuase it simply gave too little and took too much of my time and effort in exploring chems. Granted it could be useful once or twice, such as on a hike (Keeping in mide to stay well hydrated), but honestly I don't know what someone would want to do with 100mg's of the stuff. Peace, Spinal
 
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