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2C-T-2 - Subject has no experience - too much!

dbailey11

dbailey11

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I got a gram of 2ct-2 last week and I like it very much. But being the way I am I overdo everything. I've taken it 4 times in the past week. And what a waste. The first dose I took about 20mgs orally and 5mgs. insufflated. I had already been up for two days at that point. It was quite visual and auditory. I enjoyed the experince but fell asleep after only three hours. So that was a waste. Then I decided that two days between doses was long enough to try a again with a higher dose.

I was explaining it to my sister and saying how it was milder than acid. Because I tripped but felt clear headed. There was no paranoia and general mindfuck to it. So last Thursday I dosed again and we went out to run errands. It kicked in but the visuals were not where I wanted them to be. I felt trippy but not to the point where I couldn't function. I went about my day with no one the wiser. My sister got curious and decided she wanted to try it. Now, She hadn't tripped since he was 20, when her friend had given her some mushsrooms on her birthday. She always tells me how much she enjoyed shrooming, so I gave her ten mgs when we got home. She had asked me if she would still be able to function and based on my reaction to it I told her she probably would be able to go about her routine for the day. Well, about a half hour later I was upstairs listening to music after I had taken another 30mgs. I was feeling quite good and the visuals were up. I was feeling giddy. My sister calls upsatairs and says, " Dan, I'm tripping!"

So I come downstairs ans ask her how she's doing. She had a big shit eating grin on her face so all is well I assume. So I go back upstirs to look on BL. She is cleaning the house and running the vacuum, then I hear her break out laughing, so I crackup as well. I go back down to check on her. She says her stomach is sick and I explain that alot of people say that t-2 gives them a bodyload. She's never heard that term so I explain it to her. Then she gets ill and has to throw up. I hold her hair for her and ask if she wants some water, which she says yes to. Then it really starts to build on her and she begins to panic. She is worried about our mom coming home and seeing her like this. Then I decide to call my friend to take us for a cruise.

So he arives and she gets pissed because she had a belly dancing class to teach that night. I really didn't think it would affect her so strongly. She gets upset and says there's no way she can teach her class. So I feel like a irresponsible dick for giving it to her in the first place. So we get home and she is not doing any better, so I give her 60 mgs to stop her trip. Well, it relaxes her but does not stop the trip. Now I don't know what to do because I have nothing else to help her. She calls her friend over to come talk to her. Her friend doesn't do any drugs and she is annoyed with me for giving it to her. I just tuck my tail bteween my legs stay with her to make sure she's OK. We then decide to go to a local bar to get some drinks. It's been about five hours since she's taken it and it isn't letting up. I tell her it only lasts six to eight hours so it should wind down soon. So we're at the bar and she's just pissed now, because she's way over the whole thing. She tells me now she remembers why she hated acid and says I shoul've just told her it was like acid so wouldn't have taken it. I try and defend myself a little and explain that I don't think it's like acid at all. But there's no talking to her and I'm the reason she's having a bad day. So, I feel like a prick. We get home and then she starts crying because she just wants it to end. Her friend stays with her for a while to try and cheer her up. At about 11:00p.m. she finally goes to sleep. I talked to her on Saturday and she tells me she had the worst day at work on Friday; she felt sick and weak all day.

I dosed again on Friday night and had to take around 80mgs to trip. I realize this is very dumb, but I didn't ever get the kind of trip I wanted. I end up staying up all night taking pain killers and little bumps to stay up. On Saturday I take another 100 mgs divided rectally and orally. I also snort about 20mgs. It doesn't really make me trip and I'm disappointed. So I go out with my friend and smoke a blunt in the hope that I'll get some good visuals. All the blunt does is wipe me out and make me quiet. So that sucked. I'm going to lay off it for a couple of weeks because it's pointless to take it for a while. And I looked at the remainder of my stash and realize there only about 200 mgs left. So I really overdid it. I felt a little depressed yesterday and this morning. But other than that I feel no ill effects despite the amount I did in total. So, in my opinion this is a fairly safe compound, but I will definately not be bingeing on it again.
 
My unsolicited advice: get lots of good sleep, eat lots of whole foods, get some sunshine, drink plenty of water and stay away from the phenethylamines for awhile. The chances of neurotoxicity are drastically increased taking them so often.

Peace and take care :)
 
Thanks, I won't be taking any for at least two weeks, so I can fully recover and get the most out of the experience at around 25mgs, which is a good dose. I really wasted quite a bit unfortunately.
 
yeah, I would recommend 4 weeks in between psychedelics. Based on 5 years of personal experience this seems to work best (a bit hypocritical since I've been indulging every 2-3 weeks for about 2 months now:().
 
^^ Once every 2-3 weeks is still a long way from 4 times in a week! ;)

I was taking psychedelics at least once a week for months, and it took about 4 months for me to start seeing a dramatic loss of potency and "specialness". What I'm saying is that even once a week will eventually cause a large behavioral tolerance, if not physical. Tripping once a week or so at isolated times should pose no problem, but making a habit of it will definitely reduce its effectiveness considerably.
 
Thanks for the input. So even laying off for two weeks won't be enough time? You think about four weeks then? I just want a memorable experience. And seeing how quickly I rifled through most of my gram, I want to get the most out of what I have left.
 
My unsolicited advice: Do not share with others. If you are the type to give a psychedelic to another when they have to teach a class that night, then you obviously do not have the foresight, common sense, and intelligence to be dishing them out to others. These psychedelics effect everyone differently...how you would react to the 10mg is no indicator as to how another would react. Anyone who has done the nessessary research would have known that.

Even better, throw all of your 2C-T-2 away, as these experimental psychedelics are not suitable drugs of abuse, as you seem to be using it.
 
I think that's a bit harsh. I would like to give you the same advice, though: please put a little more thought into your sharing and doses with other people. Giving someone a psychedelic when they have to work later is never a good idea. Neither is giving someone the same dose as you. We all react very differently, especially to some of the 2C-psychedelics. For some, 10mg would be too much, for some it's just right. For some, 20mg is just right (like for me and you!), but for others it's way too much. Some people even need more like 30-40mg, which is way too much for me, but not for some.

Anyway, nice report, just please try to take my advice away from this, okay? If you're working with powerful psychedelic chemicals, you need to be very careful. The first time I person tries a drug, they should get a very low dose to check for idiosynchratic reactions. Then it should be bumped up more slowly. A 5mg dose would have been much more reasonable to give someone for the first time. And next time, wait until you and everyone else involved has a free day or night, with no responsiblities coming up. Also, MGS is right in that these drugs are not good for abusing. You would do best to keep your using of it (and psychedelics) down to just once in a while. Trust me, tolerance builds very fast and the substances will start to lose their magic. And you really don't want that, as it can be hard to ever get it back sometimes.

The important thing is to learn from your mistakes! :)
 
You guys take psychedelics way too often...are you even getting anything insightful out of these experiences or are you jsut laughing at the funny things you see on the walls?8(
 
morninggloryseed said:
My unsolicited advice: Do not share with others. If you are the type to give a psychedelic to another when they have to teach a class that night, then you obviously do not have the foresight, common sense, and intelligence to be dishing them out to others. These psychedelics effect everyone differently...how you would react to the 10mg is no indicator as to how another would react. Anyone who has done the nessessary research would have known that.

Even better, throw all of your 2C-T-2 away, as these experimental psychedelics are not suitable drugs of abuse, as you seem to be using it.
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Yeah I already said I was irresponsible. But my sister is old enough to make her own mind. She' 23, and not a child. She asked me to try it and I consented. As far as the dose goes, 10mgs is a mild dose by my reading and I read about everything extensively before I try it. As far as my going overboard with my own use, so I pushed a limit. It wasn't worth it as I said, and won't be repeating it.:p
 
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You guys take psychedelics way too often...are you even getting anything insightful out of these experiences or are you jsut laughing at the funny things you see on the walls?8(
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Who are "you guys"? And why would just assume that anyone who takes them often is only in it for "laughing at the funny things you see on the walls"?

8)

Please try to either post something useful to the conversation, or don't post in the thread at all. What good does it do to attempt to put down someone because you're feeling judgemental? All that does is make your ego feel superior at the expense of someone else's feelings.
 
zophen said:
In this case I agree!
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Go ahead and agree. There's nothing obvious about me accept the details of the report. I'm not someone to normally give psychedelics away, but I did however mean well in my intentions. I even suggested she try it another time. But she asked me how I reacted, and I told her the truth. I personally don't find it obtrusive to going about my day. I thought that it could be a happy experience for us to trip together. I was wrong, but I certainly can't make anyone do somrthing they don't want to do of their own volition. So criticize all you want. I take responsibility for my mistakes.:\
 
Thats a LOT of 2C-T-2! Its a great substance but probably not one of the better ones to abuse like that. It has some MAOI activity, which could become a problem, when taking large doses to beat tolerance.

All psychedelics, ESPECIALLY less researched ones like 2C-T-2, should be respected.

Also be aware that people have died from insufflating 2C-T-2's close cousin 2C-T-7, so extra caution is warranted with that route of ingestion. Just because your body has become tolerant to the mental effects, does not mean it has become tolerant of the possible toxic effects.
 
You said your sister is 23, and I am assuming that you're a bit younger?
She is young.

Please, do not feel like anyone here is disrespecting your ability to make good choices. All they seem to be doing is trying to offer you some advise. You are a reader (I presume), and I hope that makes you a good student.

Students of psycadellics need to be the most cautious people. Your mind is still expanding and growing. You recognize your error, but the tendency to "push the limit" can be fatal or very damaging to your sense of "self" and the way your mind processes information. I know you don't want to think like that, but please open your mind and consider the idea, just for a moment without judgement. Will you do that?

The feeling I get from the board is that we care about you, and want to make sure you do well in your life after you're done with drugs. You know there will come a time when you no longer use psycadellics? It's just a fact of life. There is only so far they can take you and you will want to progress -- because you are a reader and a student.

Make sure your sister knows you love her. Buy her some flowers and kiss her on the cheek. Tell her you love her and you're glad she's your sister.

Pyro
P.S. The Original Pyro
 
Well, the 2CT series have been implicated in a number of deaths and it's this sort of usage that seems to be a prelude to those fatals. The exact cause is not known, but if it's body loading on BIG doses then you may be lucky to be typing this.
As for giving it to others without telling them what they are getting and what the side-effects are...
 
I researched t-2 for years before I decided to purchase it. I had done psychedelics in my teens and stopped about 8 years ago. I have practiced meditation for about nine years, and I recently wanted to see if their was anything more to be gotten from psychedelics. This past week with the t-2 was a mistake on my part as far as overdoing it. I am aware of the deaths associated with 2ct-7 back in 2000, but never read of any serious incidents with other 2cs until the recent suicide attempt with 225mgs of 2c-e.

I am actually older than my sister, and we have a solid relationship. I would never give her anything to harm her and definately wouldn't give her something I hadn't tried myself. I explained the details of what 2ct-2 is and the class of compounds it comes from before letting her try it.

I explained all the effects and side effects to her before I gave her a dose. I did give her a small dose of 10mgs, which was signifigantly lower than the dose I was on at the time. She told me she wanted to try it anyway, after I told her what to expect. She was overwhelmed by the intensity and length of the experience. That and it had been some time since she had done a hallucinogen. I truly regret that she had a bad experience, and I'm thankful she recovered without damaging herself. Obviously, she won't be doing it again. I do have respect fo psychedelics, but it is not my lack of respect for them that causes me to overdo things. It's the way I've always done things, even though it may be careless. I do realize that to get the most out of the experience there needs to be signifigant recovery time in between doses in order to regain the full effects.

I'm thankful for people's concern, but the suggestion that I should throw away the rest of the t-2 because I'm not intelligent enough to be using it is ridiculous. There was also the assunption that I forced my sister try something, and that is also equally ridiculous. 23 is old enough to make up one's mind about consuming any substance. Unfortunately it was not a beneficial experience for her. But I did consider the consequences beforehand. But I respect the people on this forum, and I will not be repeating my recent mistakes.
 
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dbailey11 said:
I'm thankful for people's concern, but the suggestion that I should throw away the rest of the t-2 because I'm not intelligent to be using it is ridiculous. There was also the assunption that I forced my sister try something, and that is also equally ridiculous. 23 is old enough to make up one's mind about consuming any substance. Unfortunately it was not a beneficial experience for her. But I did consider the consequences beforehand. But I respect the people on this forum, and I will not be repeating my recent mistakes.
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I agree she was more than capable of making her own decisions It was her choice to trip before work So i dont know why people blames you

Yea you should be responsible when handing out psychadelics but If your going to treat everyone like children by controlling there dose and whennn they can and cant have it then they will learn nothing for themselves
 
bailey,

I realize that you had an error in judgement. I am glad that you will not repeat these kinds of mistakes. I am glad you are a learner :)

One thing I hope you do not throw away is that you do not *need* to be the one who over does things. Perhaps you have meditated long enough to know that you are connected to the Divine and you do not need to be anything. What you are to be is a suggestion from other, very failable humans. So, will you fashion yourself like another human of excess and abuse, or will you consider yourself to be more close to the Divine nature? Your thoughts and words on this will reveal your path.

I hope you can be humble enough to see that there is an error in how you view yourself. There is a mind virus inside your self-conscious that causes you to incline yourself toward self-harm. That is all excess is... harm.

I do not exalt myself in saying these things. I want simply to extend my mind to yours and be here. So then, much love to you!

Pyro
P.S. The Original Pyro
 
I think you missed my point. The fact that your sister is 23 years old means nothing. She does not know anything about 2C-T-2, nor does she know how she will react until she takes it. If you are dishing this out to others, or taking it yourself, you should know that too!

The smart thing to do when working with a new compound is take 1mg or so to see how the body will react. There is no telling what 10mg of 2C-T-2 could have done, and in her case it was a bit much to teach class.

2C-T-2 is not mushrooms or LSD. No one should take it for their first time if they have responsibilities later in the day, regardless of dosage. You should know better, and regardless of your sister's age, she should not have been given 2C-T-2 in the circumstances you gave it to her in. You are not treating it as a research chemical...it is not dependable and anything could have happened. You need to realize this before you go endangering others.
 
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