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2C-P Induced Psychotic Break

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Hi Bluelight. I'm a new poster here(although I've been lurking around for quit a large amount of time) and I'm here basically to tell the story of a really close friend of mine.

My friend(we'll refer to as A) was a hardcore psychedelic user. I've done acid, mushrooms, 2C-E, ayahuasca, 2C-P(before this incident), several of the NBOMe compounds, as well as many other psychedelics, classics and rc's as well as smoking weed. Me and him had a constant running gag of "chasing the psychedelic dragon," and we would often take ridiculously large doses of psychedelics. Neither of us had any problems handling the experiences and this went on for a while.

4 weeks ago, me and my friend A decided to hangout. I was doing meth for the first time that day(i would recommend against it, it's not all that great). A decided to decline on trying meth, and instead asked me if he could dose some of my remaining 2C-P from a gram bag that I had bought around a year ago. Naturally, I said yes, A being a good friend and me not having any uses left for any 2c's(I long ago swore them off as colorful yet wholly uninteresting compounds). Wanting to just have a nice experience, nothing crazy, A dosed about 8mg's(give or take because of the scale being +/- 2mgs).

During his trip, he was completely normal. We had long conversations about almost nothing, chainsmoked cigarettes, took several walks, did the usual tripping things. A was absolutely fine, handling the experience perfectly. The next morning, A came down and was absolutely normal. No warning signs for what was about to happen. So, fastforward a couple days, I invited A back over to my house for some good psychedelic fun involving 25i-NBOMe. We had already had plans to trip that day, but he responded with "No thanks. I don't want to hang out." I found this odd, but decided to respect his wishes and left him alone.

2 days later, I received a phone call from A's dad. He told me that A was acting really confused, delirious, and had told his father that he had taken 2c-p and to call me for advice. I talked to his dad, and recommended that he wait another day to see if A's state improved, and if not, then to take him to the hospital.

Another several days passed, and I received a phone call from a somewhat frantic mother of A's. A's dad is a very easygoing, drug allowing guy, but his mother is rather uptight and chokeholding even though A is an adult. She asked me what he had taken, and informed me she was on the way to the hospital where A's dad had taken him. I tried to get more information as to where he was going, but she refused to tell me, and hung up.

3 weeks passed since A had been in the hospital, and I hadn't heard a word for him. I talked to his dad and his dad only said that things were "moving along."

So, today, A suddenly shows back up to our college classes together. He seems a bit confused, and when I ask him what had happened, mostly what I got out of him was that he didn't know. He seemed upset with me, but wouldn't say it.

He announced to our group of friends that he was quitting drugs permanently, to focus on school. And he also announced that he was going to church now. Before this happened, A was probably the least religious guy I know, and often sneered at people who are religious, so this came as a shock to me.

Now, he claims that he's forgotten much of what happened before the trip. He didn't say much else, and when I apologized for what happened to him, he told me "it's not cool, but he forgives and forgets." Also, he apologized for "name dropping" me, which I found out.


What my question is, what happened to him? He has taken higher doses of the exact batch of 2C-P, up to 20 milligrams, with no ill effects. And he's experienced with a plethora of psychedelic drugs. What could have caused this?
 
A psychotic break is almost never directly the fault of the drug. Remember the importance of set and setting-- if he got himself into a sticky situation while in that altered state, his emotions and psyche were very vulnerable and may have become impacted by something that you have no knowledge about. He may have uncovered hidden memories of past trauma and re-lived them while alone and afraid.

I have no other advice than for you to be supportive and try to help him open himself back up into the functional person he was before his episode.
 
A psychotic break can happen to anyone on any psychedelic or stimulant. However, the fact that he blames you for actions that where wholly his own is beyond dickish, no matter what happened to him. Especially the fact that it seems like he has told several people that you're responsible.It's not like you dosed him behind his back, or misrepresented the drug. He knew what he was getting into. It's a risk all psychonauts take. Now he's become a bible thumper, trading one drug for another in order to further deflect personal responsibility. If that's the way it's going to be then I have to submit that you have no further obligation to ensure his wellbeing.
 
That's why I'm very confused about the situation. Also, he came down completely. He was normal the next morning when I took him home and his dad even told me he was normal for the first couple of days.


Now he has seemingly little memory of what happened during the last three weeks, and when asked he basically said "I don't know."

I'm pretty sure he got sent to some rehabilitation center(maybe not just a drug rehab but a medical rehab in general). I heard someone say something about a psych ward.

Also, I was with him for the duration of his trip(I wasn't sleeping that night because of the meth) and nothing seemed out of place. Actually, his experience was positive, and we bonded a lot during it.


Also, should I be wary of legal action against me? I have no idea what he meant by "name-dropping" but it's caused me a fair bit of paranoia.
 
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have to worry about any legal action (especially if you don't have anymore 2C-P or large quantities of other drugs on you). By all means lay low for a while, delete incriminating texts/emails. But at this point it's all heresay, and prosecution for small amounts of RCs is extremely rare because it's not worth the time/money for prosecutors to spend researching and hiring expert testimony to try and nail you for analog laws when there's plenty of easier fish to catch.

Hopefully this is just a phase and he'll come to his senses eventually. It really sucks if he was a good friend before this. A stopping drug use to focus on school is a positive step. "Finding Jesus" is a red flag. I have absolutely no problem with people who go to church or choose to live religiously, but that vast majority of these drug abuser --> religious piety folks seem to ignore one of the basic teachings of Jesus: not to pass judgement on your neighbor. Like I said, it really is trading one substance for another.
 
I don't have much here other than the average marijuana smoking paraphernalia and small quantities of several rc's. I'll probably go through my different drawers and clean out everything that isn't absolutely necessary to hold on to.

And this whole experience really is awful. He was my tripping bro, we've been through a hell of a lot together, we've been friends for over a year, and he's just(or was, I don't know how much of a personality change has occurred) a really cool guy. He used to be really easygoing and never throw blame on someone, so I'm lead to believe that someone really pious took advantage of him in his delirious state.

When I was with him today, he would zone out on something constantly, like for 10+ minutes, and he would move his mouth like he was saying something but no words would come out. Like he was talking to himself.

Also, he seemed to indirectly answer every question. For example, when someone would ask him where he's been, he would respond by saying that he needed to focus on his coursework. He seemed really "off." Reminded me of someone on a medium dose of DPH, if that's something to compare it to.
 
Perhaps he's on anti-psychotics like seroquel now? That would explain some of the zoning out and dph-like behavior.
 
Perhaps he's on anti-psychotics like seroquel now? That would explain some of the zoning out and dph-like behavior.

Yes this is a very serious possibility...

I have a young friend who ended up in the hospital after a 2C-E-induced delirium, and was consequently force-fed the malignant 'anti-psychotic' Risperidone/Risperdal for 2-3 months. That stuff is pure poison, a chemical lobotomy. It turns you into a retarded zombie with no personality, and completely destabilizes all body-systems... More than a year later we are still dealing with the physical and mental damage it caused.

One of the many, many delusions that she experienced during that time was the she needed to be a Christian and go to church, when previously she despised all organized religion.

Try to find out if he was/is taking any anti-psychotic meds, and if so talk to his Dad about discontinuing them. They will NOT help him deal with anything, they will only make it so that he can't feel or think properly. The negative side-effects are extreme and can last for years. We can help you collect data to inform his Dad about the dangers, if necessary.

Good luck to you both.
 
I've seen first hand the effects of seroquel onpeople. I myself once took some after being convinced that it would help me come down from a rather intense high dose DOC trip. Instead of bringing me down, it made me feel like I injected my trip with a gram of DPH, and I set off into a confused, tripping combo. The next day I felt like a zombie.

I've heard stories of the seroquel leveling out after several weeks, so I was wondering if I should wait to see if he gets better? I don't think he would believe me right now if I told him to stop taking it, and his dad isn't speaking to me at this point. So, should I wait a couple of weeks for him to level out, or is the seroquel going to turn him into a zombie for good?

Btw, any attempts to hangout or even talk to him really are being responded with "I need to work on my school work, man." That's all he's said.
 
Expect: how old is your friend?

Most of the psychotic breaks happens between 18-23 yo. independently of their cause. If your friend is young, maybe he was predisposed to have this kind of problem, and one psychedelic experience can trigger this if not properly integrated.

Taking anti-psychotics will not help to integrate the experience. All the opposite, even when it may be able to help depending on the substance, dosages, etc. I hope he really needs them.

Goos luck for your friend!
 
My friend is 18. He has had extensive history with psychedelics, however; I can say with certainty that he's tripped over 50 times, in a multitude of situations, and has handled bad experiences before.


What I was wondering, was if the 2C-P could have possibly decomposed into a more dangerous compound? It was kept in a light sealed bag that was double wrapped at room temperature for 8 months.
 
2C-P induces church and resentment towards friends who gave them what they asked for? Think I will pass, drugs that inspire me to do things like go to church, throw away my drugs, or hate my friends are not my thing.

the behavior you're describing sounds like somebody I know TO A T. and that guy is not doing alright, he is quitting drugs every other week, going military every other week, and going on a 2 year church mission EOW, going back to school EOW, and going back to hanging with the wrong crowd (EOW) and in the process he is going NOWHERE.

Best of luck, let him know that dropping the rest of his life to try to focus on school is NOT going to work, I have tried it, my friends have tried it, and we subsequently fail.
 
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2C-P did nothing like that to me whenever I've used it. It is in my experience, quite a contemplative, but non-threatening headspace (though nowhere near as complex as something like DOC), but certainly hasn't inspired me to go to church, hate any friends, and certainly not made me want to throw away my drugs. I think its an idiosyncratic reaction.
 
I've seen first hand the effects of seroquel onpeople. I myself once took some after being convinced that it would help me come down from a rather intense high dose DOC trip. Instead of bringing me down, it made me feel like I injected my trip with a gram of DPH, and I set off into a confused, tripping combo. The next day I felt like a zombie.

I've heard stories of the seroquel leveling out after several weeks, so I was wondering if I should wait to see if he gets better? I don't think he would believe me right now if I told him to stop taking it, and his dad isn't speaking to me at this point. So, should I wait a couple of weeks for him to level out, or is the seroquel going to turn him into a zombie for good?

Btw, any attempts to hangout or even talk to him really are being responded with "I need to work on my school work, man." That's all he's said.

While Seroquel is a nasty drug, we should stick to facts here. I used it as a sleep aid for 4 years (100 mg) and while it is extremely sedative and indeed makes you feel a bit like a zombie, you have to use high doses for long periods, years, to produce irreversible changes and damage to the brain. We're speaking about people taking hundreds of mg:s per day for many years. Schizophrenics may use doses higher than 800 mg daily.

At lower doses Seroquel mainly acts as a strong antihistamine. I've used it and use it sometimes to get sleep if I've taken a stimulating compound and can't get sleep because of the residual stimulation. I try to avoid it but sometimes it helps. Even a high dose taken occassionally won't turn you into a walking zombie for good.

To counter a DOC trip you really need a quite high dose to "stop" the trip (DOC's effects lasts longer than quetiapine too). I've "cut" one trip in my life with Seroquel, it just knocks me off and I go to sleep.

Antipsychotics are nasty drugs but Seroquel is one of the "best of the worst" so to say, there's no need to exaggerate it's bad effects.
 
Since it's been a while I'm going to report back on A's situation.

He's basically ignored our entire circle of friends for the past couple of weeks, today was the first time he said anything to me. He came and sat next to me and said, "man, I just don't know how to make myself happy without drugs." I told him he should try meditation or going for walks/jogs, and his reply was "wait, I was told not to talk to you, sorry man." He then gets up and leaves.
Should I even attempt to help him out or anything? I'm pretty confused about this whole situation. He still seems kinda delirious but not like he was before.
 
While Seroquel is a nasty drug, we should stick to facts here. I used it as a sleep aid for 4 years (100 mg) and while it is extremely sedative and indeed makes you feel a bit like a zombie, you have to use high doses for long periods, years, to produce irreversible changes and damage to the brain. We're speaking about people taking hundreds of mg:s per day for many years. Schizophrenics may use doses higher than 800 mg daily.

I take 800 milligrams a day and really don't even notice the effects anymore.
 
Since it's been a while I'm going to report back on A's situation.

He's basically ignored our entire circle of friends for the past couple of weeks, today was the first time he said anything to me. He came and sat next to me and said, "man, I just don't know how to make myself happy without drugs." I told him he should try meditation or going for walks/jogs, and his reply was "wait, I was told not to talk to you, sorry man." He then gets up and leaves.
Should I even attempt to help him out or anything? I'm pretty confused about this whole situation. He still seems kinda delirious but not like he was before.

i think you should leave him to make up his own mind. he's been brainwashed at some point probably by the mother into thinking that he cannot hang around with his friends or go anywhere. he cant form his own sentences, just repeat what hes been told to think.

poor guy probably had psychotic break and the mum used this situation to gain a tight control on him. i'd say leave well alone.

the mumbling to himself shit is something schizophrenics often do http://www.schizophreniadisorders.com/ check out syptoms. my mums friend does that shit all the time. plus shes mega big up on her religion...
 
I'd say it's unfair to classify your friend as schizophernic, espcially since none of us are MD's (well maybe there are a few on the board, but none that I know of). And it's unfair to judge his mom like that as well. Psychedelics can indeed create feelings of fear and confusion and I have known a few people to 'turn to Jesus' after a specificly difficult experience.
You two are fairly young and if I were in your position I'd keep your distance, as maybe that's what he wants but also let him know you are there for him as a friend, confidant, etc.
He may have had something snap after years of use, espcially if he was predispositioned but maybe he is just having a hard time integrating his experiences in to life. It doesn't seem like he has the resources or the parents who know enough about these substances.
Maybe he or you should check out the Spiritual Emergence Network

http://www.spiritualemergence.info/

and you could find some help there.
These are sensitive issues and not every psych doc out there thinks that someone is mental ill just because they are showing symptoms of something most people can't understand.
 
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