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2C-P (first time) - 4mg - task-friendly self-analysis tool

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This is a report of my so far one and only experience with this compound. It was a sunny day last July owhen I ingested the material, toward the evening of what had been a lazy, quiet day for me spent mostly inside up to that point apart from a visit to the gym earlier.

Other strongly psychoactive drugs consumed during the week before this had been mushrooms, mdma, methylone, san pedro, and 2c-tfm, but several days had gone by since then, so tolerance should have been fairly limited. Oh, fairly healthy early 30s male, 62kg body weight, not on any subscription medication but using a fairly heavy regimen of food supplements around this time. Experienced psychedelics user.

19 :40 approx. 4mg of 2C-P sublingually ingested. Tastes a little bitter but quite concentrated, contained taste, does not permeate the mouth but numbs the tip of the tongue + under a bit, not actually unpleasant… first alerts were felt within minutes! Soon left the flat to go for a forest walk with my non-tripping s/o, followed by a walk around town… all in all we were out for about 2 hours. As I walked, I got hints of anxiety (arms, adrenaline), likely due to expectation… this was easily alleviated by focusing on my breathing. I could detect, however, even during the long-drawn come-up, how this compound has a very “raw” resp. “neutral” nature, providing a trip that might go in any direction and does not equip you with some ready-made euphoria to safeguard you from the dark side. The come-up is very gradual, creeping in subtly, and despite the very early first alerts it takes up to three hours for effects to fully develop. This is not unlike 2c-tfm for me, and very different from how 2c-t2 was for me, coming in waves as it did…

T+2 … 21:53 returned from the walk and DEFINITELY feeling altered, taking these notes of thoughts occurring during the walk and now. Little interesting details, sharp contours to objects, but no real “visuals” – different perception of space and time, crossing the street on the zebra crossing seemed to take longer than usual, much longer. Meaning lurks in the background, my surroundings are heavy with meaning. Churchbells and old buildings have the ring of history, as if old energy is still really there, emanating from them. My consciousness is born from other, older consciousnesses, drawing from them… now, as I write, the paper is morphing just a little. But that’s it in the “visuals” department – no further OEV noticed during the trip, except for the newness of things… CEV also minimal and not really more interesting than when stoned.

I look at myself in the mirror. Definitely altered!!! But my partner says I look the same as ever. She looks altered too, to me, but she’s baseline (has not ingested). I can detect a slight removal from my emotional self: I can assess my usual emotional responses to certain triggers and choose not to let it dominate me. Case in point: the scantily clad girls we saw on our walk. Being a typical male in this respect, my normal reaction is one of sexual excitement and the corresponding thoughts and physical sensations. Right now, I feel the strong pull that the experience provides and at the same time find it easy not to be overwhelmed by my response, simply observing the trigger as well as my usual response as it wants to form itself. It is as if I had more choice about how to respond – if I wanted to I could indulge in my usual response and get carried away with it (albeit consciously). The sexual message the short-skirted women were sending out was quite clear to me, yet at the same time I felt distant to it and reflected on the psychology of a person who makes a special effort to arouse sexual feelings about themselves in others. Very insightful.
During the walk we also passed a few restaurants, and I looked through the windows and studied the menus. I wonder whether this compound makes me hungry (note: this is all still during the come-up phase…) – and I have a look at my attachments and desires. I notice how on this compound the thought of food seems REALLY pleasant. There is a mental appetite and mouth-watering, but as I observe what goes on in my stomach I realize that I am actually not hungry.

T+2.10 … 22:00 … effects are developing fast now… I feel a metallic taste in my mouth, not sure if I like that. 22:07 it seems to be getting stronger every minute… around this time the food thought came back tome and I went for some peanuts… will it cause problems I wonder. There had been hints of body load, and I find myself wondering if some food now will make it worse or ease it… I also open a beer, what with it being a nice warm summer night… and slowly drink a few sips… tastes different but nice.

T+3.05 … 22:45 . more food , yay! Brown bread and smoked salmon, nice combo, visually appealing, trippy colours! I think about the fish for a while and give thanks. Old habits die hard, I find, on this psychedelic, and I feel the urge to smoke a cigarette. I scold myself for smoking (an on-going issue for me since I started smoking the occasional cigarette again after not smoking for quite some time) but then go for a herbal cigarette instead. And wonder why we do that at all… something to hold on to, to eliminate fear, something to help us be in the body, to be grounded… This 2C-P is definitely STRONG STUFF, it is quite intense, a state not unlike the general post-peak tripped-out mindstate of fairly strong acid or DOI or 5-MeO-AMT. But with 2C-P at the 4mg level it seems I went straight from an eventful insightful come-up to this more ‘wired’ phase – my ego remained intact throughout the experience. I wonder if this is idiosyncratic to 2C-P or if my ingesting food round peak-time had anything to do with it.

T+3.18 … 22:58… peristalsis (not surprising, really, after food). The experience is very, very physical. I feel that I could have sex for hours if I wanted to (but my s/o is soon getting ready for bed and tired). Oh well, ok. There is restlessness and bliss alternating. There is the urge to roll on the floor, writhing, but it is controllable. I do not feel too tense but I can feel a hint of being strung out and can see what a higher dose could lead to. It feels as if the initial taste / feeling on the tongue I described earlier had suddenly crept up again, but on a whole-body level. Some jaw tension also seems to be developing, and I’d read about that before, so it seems this is not uncommon and is probably partly due to the high amount of stimulation this phenethylamine causes.

It seems that whatever the ego/mind focuses on is where the trip goes. I feel there is heaps of potential. The compound is fairly “task-friendly” – by that I mean that it would allow me to get into anything I’d put my mind to and is not too messy in the “what was it I was gonna do” sort of way.

Been surfing on BL awhile, looking at photos and somehow landing on the news that someone out there who also posted on BL has committed suicide and reading the posts of everyone who knew her. And I find myself thinking how hard it is for us to admit our helplessness, to connect. How painful it is to know (or feel) you haven’t done or said ALL you could, but would have, if you had known. How little we can sometimes admit to our feelings, let alone access those of another. Must put more love into everything I do, because it matters. It matters even when I forget that it matters. It’s the source of all life. Been very saddened by that suicide, looking at her photo with a knowledge that basically nobody had when she was alive, of her dark secret How little we sometimes know.

T+4.15 … 23.55. Did some emailing. It was easy to do, a stronger tendency to be warm and friendly, a strong urge to connect. I remembered a moment or two of being irritable earlier in the day and regretting my irritability… so much to learn and practice. Shared a few more sips of beer with my partner, watched “Pimp my Rude” on TV. Wow, expressing your happiness for show is a weird thing, really. Of course, it’s nice, it stems from a desire to see others happy (and having a stake in that happiness) – but it feels somehow forced, too put on… “There’s a super sports car, you’ve made me the happiest person alive.” Something doesn’t quite ring true and the fakeness and phoniness of entertainment media I find quite saddening at this moment.

Hm, I’m not one to write many trip reports, but here’s me being wordy, writing away. I am aware I am going off-topic a bit and that some of this is almost journal-type writing, but perhaps it’s because my 2C-P experience is analytical much more than it is mystical.

T+4.20 … midnight, and it feels that the drug is more or less peaking. Strong stuff, actually. To think I decided to keep it low by taking only 4mg. I can see how this is mind-blowing at higher levels. Definitely would NOT want to be out in public any higher than this level – far too vulnerable. Wouldn’t go much higher than this if I took it at a festival, perhaps 6mg, 8 would be too much for me. 2C-P is probably active at the 1mg level or even below, as yaesutom has suggested of 2C-TFM in a previous report. At that low level it might well be suited for academic research or essay writing on the topic of your choice. Too much of it, and there’s a tad too much restlessness to remain settled and task-focused (in my case anyway). … oh, but even at 4mg,once I got into writing these notes, the urge to write and keep writing is quite strong.

I spend sometime thinking about the nature of addiction… been liberally pressing all sorts of pleasure buttons - albeit quite consciously – in the last few weeks: nicotine, GHB, methylone, alcohol, opiates, sugar, chocolate, orgasms. Thinking about depatterning… about what it is that causes the want for that special comforter… oh, to watch a desire arise, grow, do its thing and pass away, and not to act on it… is to be truly free.

T+4.33 . . . 20 minutes of non.-stop writing already. I may well be in for several more hours on this ride, I think I will do some relaxing. I take a bath. This drug is very mental in the true sense of the word – there’s heaps of thoughts. I try to use this to ease my physical discomfort/tension: “I generate the energy inside me. I heal myself.” Need to work on getting the mind a bit settled and see what the Quiet brings. My s/o says my face is very red. Haven’t had more than half a beer, though, while she had two and a half.

T+ 5.30 01:10 .. . Decided to have a shave after the bath, first one in ten days, which was reasonably eventful in this state but happened without any major disturbances. Go read more on BL, feeling to restless to get into meditation, too “thinky”. Read BL for an hour or so.

T+6:40 . . . 02:20… general “tripped-outness”, very dilated pupils now, I try to do some centering, it becomes more and more necessary. Partner is sound asleep,and I am facing being completely alone. Had noticed a mild tinnitus while in the bath, but that went away again after the bath. Despite me not grinding my teeth, I can notice some overall ear pressure and jaw tension. Decide to dose some L-Tryptophan and magnesium to see if it helps.

Despite the total absence of fear, my mind is not calm and starts feeling irritated with the physical tension present with this compound. There seems to be something physically unsettling about the compound, not sure if it’s a blood pressure / vasoconstriction issue as I do not have a b.p. measuring device. There’s some pressure in the head, and yawning helps a little…

Around this time I started smoking grass and took some GHB to ease myself out of this state, and I do not remember exactly how long it took to relax enough for sleep… probably a couple more hours.

Next day, felt more tired than usual, but otherwise sharp and clear. Some physical issues for a couple of days (digestive tract, sluggish liver). Body load areason not to do this often.

Would take this compound again in order to do some self-analysis, I feel it is worthwhile for that because of the clarity it provides. The fun factor with 2C-P was minimal in my case, although I am grateful for the experience, I feel it has allowed me some valuable insight into Who I Am.
 
Great trip report. Hasn't convinced me to add 2C-P to my list, but sounds interesting anyway.

You should submit this to Erowid, they've got a shortage of 2C-P reports (no surprise), this would be a valuable addition.
 
Excellent! I've been holding off on 2C-P for three years now. Mostly because of lack of time. But this report really peaks my interest into 2C-P again. ANd after reading this, I will be sure to dose low the first time.
 
Nice report. Could you ever see it having any recreational value at all? Or do you see it being purely theraputic?
 
Good question.

You know, tripping alone and tripping with someone else are usually 2 different cups of tea for me. Sharing trips is far less introspective and there's almost always the hysterical silliness aspect for a significant portion of the trip. But I am also quite moody and different on different days. So it's really hard to say. While it initially does provide some excitement, I feel that for tripping alone you may wish to go higher in order to get a good bashing (in the sense of having to reassemble the universe, etc...). You know how some drugs realyl change their character on higher doses. But I don't think I'd go that far with this compound because of the really quite heavy body load even at this low level.

As this was ingested at a time when I was really consuming far more drugs than I usually do (see second paragraph of the report) perhaps there was some tolerance after all, and 4mg might just give you more. It is also possible that the body load was due to the fact that I'd been using a lot beforehand.

Everyone's different, though. Only one way to find out ;) For me, this one's mentally a little like 2-ctfm (but more serious, less toy-like) and with the body load of 2c-i.

Guess I'd see it as a therapy tool more than anything.
Especially because of the fact that my ability to verbalise remained 100% intact, supported by a strong urge to make mental notes and use a piece of paper to make sure they'll be mine later (something I get on low dose mushrooms too, but on shrooms I find it hard to write it all down, let alone formulate it properly because the mind races just too much) . I remember an LSD trip years ago during which I ended up writing for hours... but what I wrote was far more abstract than my report here, written mostly under the influence and really quite down to earth.
 
2c-p is like 2c-e to me. 2c-p is just so much more visual and last allot longer.
I only tried 10mg though.
 
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/\ Wow - I found 2C-E (on my one and only trial @a whopping 22mg) to be VERY visual, and VERY lomg-lasting... totally pastel coloured everything, people's faces verging on the cartoonish and reminding mew of other poeple all the time, and the whole thing lasting around 10-12 hours. Maybe 10mg of 2C-P would do that to me, but then I wonder how I'd take it bodyload-wise. 2C-E was just a bit too stimulating at that level for me, with a bit of muscular tension, but nothing worrying at all. With 2C-P I wasn't sure if that would be the case.
 
when i first took 2c-e it did the same thing to me. I took 20mg, it blow me away. But the next few times at a lower dose 12, 16, 18 it never felt like the first time. 18mg is the sweet spot for me.

2c-e last me 8 to 10 hr, 2c-p last me about 16 hrs. But I only tried that 2 times last year.
 
@MGS: I believe I have sampled both. I had the chance to try fromone batch that came from a different continent and had a different colour than the one which soon after made the world tour and was contaminated. The effects were fairly similar to each other, but the one I believe to be "real" was a cleaner and clearer ride in terms of both body load as well as clarity - there was a lot less tension and it was less fuzzy. 2c-i always seems a little fuzzy to me.

@Toltec: That's interesting 2c-E info. Could you elaborate on what the 'sweet spot' idea is for you exactly? A fellow tripper also uses this term a lot and he believes that it is the amount at which you have the least body load and mental/physical discomffort and get the most out of the experience. More would be a waste and unpleasant, but less might also be more unpleasant as the drug cannot fully break through and eliminate body load and even mental tension that the body + mind may be putting up as a resistance to the drug. Whereas at the sweet spot, resistance is futile and you just go along nicely...
 
^^^^

I take 'sweet spot' to simply mean 'favorite dose'. For example, my sweet spot for shrooms is maybe 3-4 grams, depending on the potency. But that doesn't mean 6 grams would be a waste and unpleasant. Its just that I don't want to be tripping that hard every time I do shrooms.

Anyways taken 2c-p at doses of 7mg, 11mg, 14mg, 14mg and 14mg. I found it to me more like 2c-e than anything else. But is was less stimulating than 2c-e, even sedating at times, more visual than 2c-e, and not as intense on the head as 2c-e. For better or worse, it seems to lack the 'dark side' of 2c-e. Still, its one of my favorites though, a very empathatic and heart warming substance, actually. One thing Shulgin said about 2c-p though:

Shulgin said:
A consistent observation is that there may not be too much latitude in dosage between that which would be modest, or adequate, and that which would be excessive. The need for individual titration would be most important with this compound.

So while 14mg is my 'sweet spot' for 2c-p, it may not be yours. Its a pretty strong drug at that dose, and actually feels like it could do a lot of damage to my body if my body or mind where to resist the experience. Probably about as intense as 20mg 2c-e at that dose, but with more visuals (at times immersing), no dark side, and lasting twice as long.
 
Ditto ^
I take 'sweet spot' to simply mean 'favorite dose'. For example, my sweet spot for shrooms is maybe 3-4 grams, depending on the potency. But that doesn't mean 6 grams would be a waste and unpleasant. Its just that I don't want to be tripping that hard every time I do shrooms.
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Ant that the truth "depending on the potency"


It "also" means to me; "from the batch I'm familiar with"! Any new untested batch I would have to start low and work my way to that "sweet spot"

Something like when I took 4-aco-mipt @ 20mg many moons ago. I was at the point where my ego dissolved away. So I backed off to 18mg. This puts me into a learning mode. I personally don't care for the ego loss, but if it happens, Kay Sir Ra Sir Ra

For me I have no tolerance issues, moderation my middle name. learning keeps me sane.
cheers
 
Great report... I just came across this tonight. I'm thinking of utilizing my sample of this chemical sometime soon and I'm trying to dig up all the reports I can find. This was very useful.
 
Interesting experience there. I have tried 2C-P once at 5.5mg (accurately weighed) and had a hellish trip. I really do not remember much of it besides finding the mindstate pretty lacking for deep and intellectual thought. 2C-I, 2C-E and 2C-C seem to be better for this type of trip. 2C-P lasted too long and interrupted my sleep for too long. Benzos and marijuana didn't help. Never tried it again after that although I have a little bit left that I might try taking one day to give it one last chance.
 
This may seem out of place, but after reading all this, and adding in a long on going feeling, it seems like all the "RC's" have some sort of negative physical nature attached to them, with body loads, headaches, vomiting, etc... As opposed to LSD. For me anyways, it's a smooth ride throughout, and always seems "deeper".
 
I wouldn't say 2c-p, or 2c-e for that matter, has a negative effect on my body. But what these drugs seem to do for me is enhance psychosomatic connections. So if it gets rough mentally, it can get rough on my body too. But for positive experiences mentally, it seems to have positive effect on my body as well.
 
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