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2C-P: Bad idea for a frist time tripping?

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I'll try to keep this short. One of my friends got a purchased a good amount of 2C-P a few months ago, which got me interested in trying some. I've always wanted to try some psychedelics, but I've never made the effort to go out of my way to obtain any and this seems like a great opportunity. The first time this friend tried it, he consumed around 8mg from what he could tell. Slight visuals but he could tell a bit more would be better. This was a few months ago.

A few nights ago I was over at his place again and asked if he had any left, which he did. I also asked if he'd be down to do it again soon-ish and his response was "no, too gnarly". I don't know the dosage of his subsequent trips. This was the first psychedelic he had ever done as well.

So now I'm considering doing 2C-P with a few other friends. This would be the first time tripping for one of them, and the others have done shrooms a few times I believe.

I've read plenty of trip reports and such, so I know what I'm doing (hopefully =D), but is this a bad choice for my first exposure to psychedelics? 2C-P happens to be what's available to me at the moment, and I'm unsure what I'll have access to in the future, let alone when I'll have access to this chemical again. Typical "now or never" scenario I guess. So would it be highly inadvisable to try 2C-P as my first psychedelic?
 
2c-p isn't suited for a first time user, it can last 18 hours or more and the doses are very small. If you end up not enoying the trip and are scared or whatever, you will have to ride that shit out for a long time and you will not be able to sleep it off. That being said, 2c-p is one of my favourites but without prior experience with 2c-e and other stronger psychedelics i would have probably shit myself after taking it the first time. I love the long duration, hate when my trips wear off but before going into a monster trip you have to make sure you really want to trip that hard and that long. Without prior experience it's impossible to know how you may react.

My recommendation is to either take a really light dose (5mg, hope you have a nice scale) or leave it and order your own psychedelics, i'd start with 4-ho-met and 2c-i, work your way up. I guess you could also vaporize the 2c-p so that it won't last as long but there are too many variables in vaporizing it that can fuck up, especially if you don't have any experience with it. If you're going to do it anyway, have some benzos around in case you freak out and make sure you trip in a positive setting and state of mind.
 
I had terrible bodyload on 12mg. If not my previous experience with different kind of substances, I'd be doomed propably. Pain in my thighs, nausea...

If you want to, you can IM, I've heard it works great against bodyload in case of 2C-P. The next time I try it, it'll be IM (got experience with IMing), I don't feel like going through that bodyload again, and the trip would last shorter - 12 hours on 12mg was way exhausting.
 
yeah, 2CI or 4-ho-met would be much better for a first time. And they´re really easy to find too.
 
Definitely not a good idea for a first time. I took 2cp about a year ago now with a few acid trips and 2cb trips under my belt. Took 7mg and all was good for a few hours but then it went on and on and on, for about 25 hours. Couldn't handle the length at all it just goes on for way too long if your inexperienced. I would take it again now but I've had loads off tripping experience now but would not advise for a first timer.
 
Fagott said:
yeah, 2CI or 4-ho-met would be much better for a first time. And they´re really easy to find too.
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For a first time tripper, I would recommend something even milder (as 2C-I can just be too darn stimulating sometimes).

2C-D would probably be perfect, and 2C-C would likely be nice too.

This is just my personal opinion/preference though. :)
 
Thanks for all the advice, I guess I'll hold off on the 2cp for a few trips at least. Might buy a bit and keep it in my closet or something for a while.

I'm was considering cid too as a first time, but the legality of it makes it a little harder to get. Reading up on 2c-b and it sounds really attractive to me. Not as psychological as 2c-p with more emphasis on the visuals it seems. And not nearly as long lasting.

I'll do some more reading on 2c-c 2c-d and 2c-e, but I'm thinking 2c-b might be my first choice, unless anybody objects.
 
Try and find some cid or mushrooms instead of the 2C family, I'd try to enjoy your first psychedelic experience with the least amount of negative effects as possible.
 
Hmm, alright. How long can 2C compounds last for in storage? Say if I were to buy a good amount with the intention of using some and selling some to friends later on, hypothetically, how long would it last in a sealed container in the dark or in a sealed container in a freezer (-20 celsius)?

I've got some questions about RC vendors too, if somebody thinks they can answer them please let me know (PM)
 
2Cs will last probably longer than you will need them (10 years I hear). Store them in a dark cool place, the same place you keep your vitamins =). A freezer works the best from what I understand.
 
I'd say definitely not, I have had a lot of friends say its not a good trip and its also it is extremely long-winded...2C-E is probab;y my favorite of the 2Cs so far, it was just the right length, very visual, and actually gave me some insights like I would have on a strong mushroom trip...I would say mushrooms are best for a first timer, they're a short trip, but strong, and contain every element of what I good trip should have...a 1.75 grams would be a good dose for first time
 
2C-B is an excellent first-trip - pretty gently physically (people rarely experience uncomfortable physical effects like with 2C-I/E/P/T-*), and it will provide some visuals, while 2C-C/D aren't very visual. It's also not that deep (a trait shared with 2C-I and to a lesser extent 2C-C, while 2C-E/P/T-* can be quite deep). Honestly, I wouldn't recommend 2C-P period - unless someone has a good reason to want to take 2C-P instead of other psychedelics, they should take something else.

I tend to think that LSD is the best first psychedelic, because it does have a nice positive push, and it's, IMO, a very good representation of the different aspects of psychedelic experiences. It's got depth, but nothing overwhelming at 100-150ug, it will produce some nice noticable visuals, which most would expect and want to experience on their first trip. Mushrooms are good too, but they lack a bit of the positive push, and are a bit less clearheaded IMO (1.75g though man? You have more potent shrooms than I - first time I took shrooms I took 2.5g, and had a light and controllable trip - 2-2.5 would be where i'd place the dose for shrooms).

4-AcO-DMT is comparable to shrooms (be careful w/the dose though), and 4-HO-MET would make a very different tradeoff (having more of a positive push than shrooms or 4-AcO-DMT, but without much depth/insight (at least in the experience of myself and a few friends).
 
i'm gonna go against the apparent status quo here and say that i think 2C-P would be fine for a first trip so long as you keep it to a low dosage. 6mg of 2C-P would be about the right dose i'd say. the main crappy part of a long duration is that you might not be able to get to sleep at a decent hour... my solution to this is to take your dose in the morning an hour or two after waking up. you'll probably be sleeping like a baby by 1AM or 2AM. :)

just make sure not to be alone for your first trip. you said you have friends that want to trip with you, so that's good. never hurts to have one sober person nearby or on call that knows what y'all are up to that can help out if things turn sour though.

also, since 2C-P has a long duration, you'll probably want to coordinate some activities for the day. make sure to have plenty of movies and music on hand, musical instruments if thats your sorta thing, maybe paper and markers for drawing, etc etc etc. ending up bored on a psychedelic is a bummer lol
 
Roger&Me said:
For a first time tripper, I would recommend something even milder (as 2C-I can just be too darn stimulating sometimes).

2C-D would probably be perfect, and 2C-C would likely be nice too.

This is just my personal opinion/preference though. :)
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I second this.
Having not tried 2C-P yet I can't speak on that experience, but 2C-C and 2C-D are both great introductions to psychedelic drugs.
2C-C is very visual, and extremely easy on the mind. 2C-D is very similar to 2C-C but it is a little more thought provoking imo.
 
It is a long one... although acid is fairly long too. I think a first time experience is best with something that will be over in less than 5 hours.
 
Well I talked to some people and it seems it would be fairly easy for someone such as myself to get ahold of LSD, 2C-I, Shrooms, 2C-P, and possibly peyote at the moment actually. I think I'll hold off on the 2C-P due to the duration if nothing else. I'd rather my first trip not last ~14+ hours. 2C-B would still be my first choice, but I wouldn't have access to that or 2C-C in single dose quantities right now. I've always had this notion that shrooms is much more of a psychological "mind fuck" than other drugs, eg acid, etc. Though I've had people recently tell me that shrooms can actually be less intense than acid, I'm still not sure I'd be comfortable with shrooms my first time.

So I'm leaning towards LSD. I've read 2C-I can be pretty stimulating, resembling amphetamines much more than any other 2C's. It's possible other 2C's (2C-C or 2C-D or something else) could be available, but at this point I'm not sure. If I could get ahold of 2C-C or 2C-D, would anybody recommend either of those over acid? They seem pretty easy going from what I've read on PiHKAL.
 
For a first time using psychedelics, I'd suggest perhaps one of the lighter 2C compounds (2C-C, 2C-D, possibly 2C-B if you could access it, or possibly 2C-I). 2C-E, 2C-P and the 2C-Tx series are more heavy going. That said, I love 2C-P - its a wonderful compound that is fairly easy on the mind and body. The only thing to really watch out for is duration - 12-16 hours typically, but is great fun - I vastly prefer it to 2C-I, which is the only other 2C-x compound I've tried. I find the body load on 2C-P to be considerably easier than that for 2C-I, and comparable to that of LSD/Mushrooms.
 
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