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TR 2C-P #2
Title: Has potential, but too much tiredness
Substance: 2C-P
Dosage: 11 mg 2C-P HCl dissolved in ethanol/warm water.
Personal data Male, 85kg, 178 cm, 28 years old , athletic, exercise daily, but some back pains and undiagnosed ADHD and cyclothymic (slightly bipolar)
Medications and addictions: none except vitamins.
Set & Setting: At home and in the forest nearby, cold outside, with usual tripping buddies
Rating: 8/10
Previous experiences:
* 2C-B (x2)
* 2C-C (x2)
* 2C-D (x1)
* 2C-P (x1)
* 4-ACO-DMT (x1)
* 4-AcO-MiPT (x1)
* 4-HO-MET (x3)
* 5-APB (x1)
* Alprazolam (x2)
* Amphetamine (x1)
* DOC (x3)
* DOI (x1)
* Dichloropane (x2)
* Etizolam (x3)
* Kratom (x4)
* LSD (x2)
* Methoxetamine (x6)
* Methylone (x3)
* Modafinil (1 week)
* Shrooms (x3)
* Salvia (x1)
* Weed and hash (many times)
Substance appearance: white powder
Closest previous trip: 8mg 2C-P week before
Tolerance: None
Sensitivity: Low
Addiction potential: Low
Main effects: slight visual distortions, altered headspace
Side effects:
After effects: Huge tiredness and some headache
Shulgin scale: **
T 00:00
We used 2C-P dissolved in water/ethanol solution, same as before. I ate an apple in the morning, I think. I used 11mg, Panda 8mg. We did this in the morning, I took antioxidants (ALCAR,ALA, Vit C) hour or so before.
T +03:00
Colors became brighter, very slight patterns (“form constants”) were visible on textures.
Coyote joined us, I told him that substance is not very strong (or our dilution is not very strong), so he probably can take 12mg. Coyote is experienced with more then average dosages (see DOI accident) and is not pussy, so I am confident he can handle it, even if it will be a bit too much.
I, meanwhile, was slightly disappointed, so I insufflated 26mg 4-HO-MET, my favourite substance. It seems I have yet to experience earth-shaking trip, because my sensitivity to substances is on the lower side (except maybe to stims), so I am not worried for myself, too.
T +05:00
Continued come-up from 2C-P + 4-HO-MET was slightly uncomforable, with some anxiety, eyelids twitching, and unpleasant taste in nostrils and mouth. Because of this, I think insufflation is not very nice ROA, I think plugging works better for me in case I need something to kick faster. We had a plan to go to the musical, but it is already too late.
I wear glasses with strong lenses, I take them off for a while, to relax a little, but then honeycombs I see become “wet” and giant, very unpleasant. I wonder if other people who wear glasses also see these honeycombs giant without them.
T +06:00
We went for a walk through the forest. I fill at +2 at most, controlling myself easily. We met a friend, he invited us to small party in the evening, but Coyote tells he is totally overwhelmed with experience, and cannot go to the barely known people that don't know we are intoxicated. Panda, as usual, only concerned with himself, and said he want to go. I want to go, too, but empathize to Coyote, so I say: we will not go to the party, because action is too strong to Coyote. Panda cannot understand it, because for him action is weak and he cannot understand what you can fear. Sometimes, I think he has slight autism/Asperger's, or is just plain dumb. However, Coyote also was not able to understand that action for me and Panda was weak: but this I can understand, because when you are totally submersed into exp., believing other people does not feel this is hard.
T +08:00
We go over the forest, talking and enjoying nature. Panda is whining and complaining, as always: that he has body load, that he cannot understand what Coyote is saying, etc. I, meanwhile, under kind influence of 4-HO-MET feel great, calm. Colors are only slightly more vivid, then usual, but looking at them brings immense joy. Subtle spiderwebs/honeycombs are forming on everything, including grass, sand roads and walls of houses we sometimes see. Talking and listening is fun. Coyote feels action of substance very strong, he is barely able to communicate and walk, but still manageable, with short periods of deeper diving into psychedelic state. He can't describe what he experiences or sees, but no honeycombs for him. Later, I asked him, what OEVs did he see, and he responded that it looked like fractals of infinite details everywhere: the more you look into details of these fractals, the more you see. He was afraid of losing his mind looking into them, or just looping without sense, so he stopped it.
We saw puppy in the forest, and Coyote felt very strongly it is so lonely and will die of starvation, so he wanted to take it with us. However, after seeing nearby house, he was convinced puppy is well fed and left it alone.
We went near the colored houses, their colors were very enjoyable, and my headspace become even more clear. I asked: “Why we can't always see like this, so bright and nice”. Coyote answered that we will go mad if our senses always will be so intense, and I surely knew he's right, this question was just rhetorical.
T +9:00
We came to the lake, still covered with ice, despite recent warm weather. It was pretty cold near the lake because of ice, but incredibly beautiful, because clouds over the lake made ice look dark blue, esp. because there was sunset closing. I saw giant honeycombs in the sky, but barely visible (as always). Coyote saw something magnificent in the sky: he tried to describe it later. He told it was like theatrical performances: movement of clouds caused beautiful visuals, that formed into some scenes and raised some deep feeling and associations inside his mind. He was not able to describe it better, but remembered it as a very gratifying.
Coyote remembered, how he rode, bought or helped to buy motorcycles near the places we were walking. He also remembered, how psychic many years ago told him of this muddy paths and motorcycle he will be driving over them, and then talking about it. I don't believe in psychic powers, but listening to this was interesting, also considering Coyote does not respect psychics much himself.
Cooyte climbed onto concrete block, so I climbed onto a tree: it was pretty easy and fun, Panda followed me. While we were hanging on a tree, Coyote asked us, “who is older?”. Panda told he is like 40 years old, and I told I'm 13, maybe 15 or 17 sometimes. Note, this is really not true, because Panda is mentally immature, and I am much less immature, but still. Our biological age is the same.
Coyote also told us he is afraid of something. Then he proceed to think why people are afraid, why he himself is often afraid (I think he overestimates, because in my eyes, he is much braver man then me or many other people) and why people repeat same things over and over again.
T +10:00
We headed home, but went to the supermarket to buy some snacks. It is interesting for me there, but Coyote was freaking out, not able to understand, how to choose, buy and pay. He tells us what to buy for him, and runs out quickly. After that, he was calming down, and understood nothing scary is in the
process of shopping.
T +11:00
We returned to my apt and ate tasty snacks (buns and small pizzas). Coyote still was tripping very hard (for him it is T+7 yet). He asked me to get paper and pen, and wrote down some stuff just for act of writing. He wrote: “This is kind substance” and kept repeating this theme several times. Later, he told: “I've eaten LSD several times, and I cannot call it “kind”, but 2C-P seems “kind” for me now.”
This is in contrast to previous “afraid” state, so we really can conclude, that 2C-P makes you prone to emotional extremities that depend on surroundings: feeling safe and nice in my apartment, with his friends, Coyote became relaxed and happy, while near the cold lake under dark clouds, it was uneasy feeling for him.
T +12:00
In the last few hours we all became very tired, developed some headache. I think this is inherent property of 2C-P, because we experienced this both times.
Summary
2C-P seems worthwhile substance overall to me. Body load is manageable, and 2C-P can be very spiritual for right people and right dosage: Coyote later told me he thought about life, relationships and things like that a lot during this experience. The only complain is incredible tiredness after the trip, and some unpleasant headache. 8 mg seems not to be a lot, and if you are certain in your ability to handle psychs and want more then threshold trip, you can probably use 10 mg. Don't go over that, unless prepared: 12 mg for Coyote was intense.
Title: Has potential, but too much tiredness
Substance: 2C-P
Dosage: 11 mg 2C-P HCl dissolved in ethanol/warm water.
Personal data Male, 85kg, 178 cm, 28 years old , athletic, exercise daily, but some back pains and undiagnosed ADHD and cyclothymic (slightly bipolar)
Medications and addictions: none except vitamins.
Set & Setting: At home and in the forest nearby, cold outside, with usual tripping buddies
Rating: 8/10
Previous experiences:
* 2C-B (x2)
* 2C-C (x2)
* 2C-D (x1)
* 2C-P (x1)
* 4-ACO-DMT (x1)
* 4-AcO-MiPT (x1)
* 4-HO-MET (x3)
* 5-APB (x1)
* Alprazolam (x2)
* Amphetamine (x1)
* DOC (x3)
* DOI (x1)
* Dichloropane (x2)
* Etizolam (x3)
* Kratom (x4)
* LSD (x2)
* Methoxetamine (x6)
* Methylone (x3)
* Modafinil (1 week)
* Shrooms (x3)
* Salvia (x1)
* Weed and hash (many times)
Substance appearance: white powder
Closest previous trip: 8mg 2C-P week before
Tolerance: None
Sensitivity: Low
Addiction potential: Low
Main effects: slight visual distortions, altered headspace
Side effects:
After effects: Huge tiredness and some headache
Shulgin scale: **
T 00:00
We used 2C-P dissolved in water/ethanol solution, same as before. I ate an apple in the morning, I think. I used 11mg, Panda 8mg. We did this in the morning, I took antioxidants (ALCAR,ALA, Vit C) hour or so before.
T +03:00
Colors became brighter, very slight patterns (“form constants”) were visible on textures.
Coyote joined us, I told him that substance is not very strong (or our dilution is not very strong), so he probably can take 12mg. Coyote is experienced with more then average dosages (see DOI accident) and is not pussy, so I am confident he can handle it, even if it will be a bit too much.
I, meanwhile, was slightly disappointed, so I insufflated 26mg 4-HO-MET, my favourite substance. It seems I have yet to experience earth-shaking trip, because my sensitivity to substances is on the lower side (except maybe to stims), so I am not worried for myself, too.
T +05:00
Continued come-up from 2C-P + 4-HO-MET was slightly uncomforable, with some anxiety, eyelids twitching, and unpleasant taste in nostrils and mouth. Because of this, I think insufflation is not very nice ROA, I think plugging works better for me in case I need something to kick faster. We had a plan to go to the musical, but it is already too late.
I wear glasses with strong lenses, I take them off for a while, to relax a little, but then honeycombs I see become “wet” and giant, very unpleasant. I wonder if other people who wear glasses also see these honeycombs giant without them.
T +06:00
We went for a walk through the forest. I fill at +2 at most, controlling myself easily. We met a friend, he invited us to small party in the evening, but Coyote tells he is totally overwhelmed with experience, and cannot go to the barely known people that don't know we are intoxicated. Panda, as usual, only concerned with himself, and said he want to go. I want to go, too, but empathize to Coyote, so I say: we will not go to the party, because action is too strong to Coyote. Panda cannot understand it, because for him action is weak and he cannot understand what you can fear. Sometimes, I think he has slight autism/Asperger's, or is just plain dumb. However, Coyote also was not able to understand that action for me and Panda was weak: but this I can understand, because when you are totally submersed into exp., believing other people does not feel this is hard.
T +08:00
We go over the forest, talking and enjoying nature. Panda is whining and complaining, as always: that he has body load, that he cannot understand what Coyote is saying, etc. I, meanwhile, under kind influence of 4-HO-MET feel great, calm. Colors are only slightly more vivid, then usual, but looking at them brings immense joy. Subtle spiderwebs/honeycombs are forming on everything, including grass, sand roads and walls of houses we sometimes see. Talking and listening is fun. Coyote feels action of substance very strong, he is barely able to communicate and walk, but still manageable, with short periods of deeper diving into psychedelic state. He can't describe what he experiences or sees, but no honeycombs for him. Later, I asked him, what OEVs did he see, and he responded that it looked like fractals of infinite details everywhere: the more you look into details of these fractals, the more you see. He was afraid of losing his mind looking into them, or just looping without sense, so he stopped it.
We saw puppy in the forest, and Coyote felt very strongly it is so lonely and will die of starvation, so he wanted to take it with us. However, after seeing nearby house, he was convinced puppy is well fed and left it alone.
We went near the colored houses, their colors were very enjoyable, and my headspace become even more clear. I asked: “Why we can't always see like this, so bright and nice”. Coyote answered that we will go mad if our senses always will be so intense, and I surely knew he's right, this question was just rhetorical.
T +9:00
We came to the lake, still covered with ice, despite recent warm weather. It was pretty cold near the lake because of ice, but incredibly beautiful, because clouds over the lake made ice look dark blue, esp. because there was sunset closing. I saw giant honeycombs in the sky, but barely visible (as always). Coyote saw something magnificent in the sky: he tried to describe it later. He told it was like theatrical performances: movement of clouds caused beautiful visuals, that formed into some scenes and raised some deep feeling and associations inside his mind. He was not able to describe it better, but remembered it as a very gratifying.
Coyote remembered, how he rode, bought or helped to buy motorcycles near the places we were walking. He also remembered, how psychic many years ago told him of this muddy paths and motorcycle he will be driving over them, and then talking about it. I don't believe in psychic powers, but listening to this was interesting, also considering Coyote does not respect psychics much himself.
Cooyte climbed onto concrete block, so I climbed onto a tree: it was pretty easy and fun, Panda followed me. While we were hanging on a tree, Coyote asked us, “who is older?”. Panda told he is like 40 years old, and I told I'm 13, maybe 15 or 17 sometimes. Note, this is really not true, because Panda is mentally immature, and I am much less immature, but still. Our biological age is the same.
Coyote also told us he is afraid of something. Then he proceed to think why people are afraid, why he himself is often afraid (I think he overestimates, because in my eyes, he is much braver man then me or many other people) and why people repeat same things over and over again.
T +10:00
We headed home, but went to the supermarket to buy some snacks. It is interesting for me there, but Coyote was freaking out, not able to understand, how to choose, buy and pay. He tells us what to buy for him, and runs out quickly. After that, he was calming down, and understood nothing scary is in the
process of shopping.
T +11:00
We returned to my apt and ate tasty snacks (buns and small pizzas). Coyote still was tripping very hard (for him it is T+7 yet). He asked me to get paper and pen, and wrote down some stuff just for act of writing. He wrote: “This is kind substance” and kept repeating this theme several times. Later, he told: “I've eaten LSD several times, and I cannot call it “kind”, but 2C-P seems “kind” for me now.”
This is in contrast to previous “afraid” state, so we really can conclude, that 2C-P makes you prone to emotional extremities that depend on surroundings: feeling safe and nice in my apartment, with his friends, Coyote became relaxed and happy, while near the cold lake under dark clouds, it was uneasy feeling for him.
T +12:00
In the last few hours we all became very tired, developed some headache. I think this is inherent property of 2C-P, because we experienced this both times.
Summary
2C-P seems worthwhile substance overall to me. Body load is manageable, and 2C-P can be very spiritual for right people and right dosage: Coyote later told me he thought about life, relationships and things like that a lot during this experience. The only complain is incredible tiredness after the trip, and some unpleasant headache. 8 mg seems not to be a lot, and if you are certain in your ability to handle psychs and want more then threshold trip, you can probably use 10 mg. Don't go over that, unless prepared: 12 mg for Coyote was intense.
