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Has Anyone Else Experienced these (Stimulant) Side effects from 2C-I - for 1/2 a year to a year, at least?? Please reply if you have.
Hey everyone. I've been reading over 30+ pages of this forum and was curious if anyone else had similar after effects as me, or it just in my mind? There are some potential left over positive as well as negative after effects. Any feedback would be great, especially people well knowledgeable in chemistry, who could posit different possible explanations, or help explain that it could just be an environmental change, or my surroundings and different changes in the level of constant social interactions. I would greatly appreciate people check it out and reply with any valuable information.
I did 2C-I, 7 or 8 times over 5 months, with doses between 16-21mg and smoked cannabis during the trips. Overall I had a great time on 2c-i, the trips, visuals and insights were great. Didn't really mind the stimulant feelings during the trip, and felt very sociable, even more on it than usually. I felt fine the days after, even more on-it mentally. I have ADHD, and have had restless/raciness enegies (especially while on ritalin), but much less with no stimulants and using Indica Dominant cannabis to effectively get rid of the racy/restless energy that builds up. So to start off I have been familiar with the feeling of stimulants for many years, but hadn't used Ritalin/concerta (Dopamine) or strattera (noremprinephrine) for 2 years before ingesting the 2c-i doses. The first two times were a week apart, but everything after that was at least 3 weeks apart, sometimes a month+.
About a month after I started experiencing some side effects:
Some good and some potentially bad. I'll start out with the bad ones first because I really want peoples Feedback on them. Want to know if it is the 2c-i or just in my head due to other factors. For the record I had no Visual HPPD's, something I would even get from mushrooms doses for a few days.
BAD Side Effects: (Please let me know if anyone else is experiencing these) I think the re-stimulation of these adverse effects come on more frequently when I'm smoking weed. Others have said cannabis re-stimulates some of the 2c-i properties.
1) I noticed a continued "stimulant" effect that seemed to last for over a year. It seems like I would feel sped up like I was on Ritalin, especially when smoking weed, that seems to bring it out more often. It's not as intense, but I feel a little jittery, like rushed in my head, also some muscle spastic movements or pulses/bodyloads. Similar to taking 2C-I, where the energy bodyload builds up and you want to kind of shake it out of you, or tap your feet to release it. I feel what seems to be left over manifests itself in small jumps in muscle movements as a subconscious release of the energy. This can happen in social situations, where I have trouble slowing down to the pace of the conversation. This didn't use to happen, after I stopped taking Ritalin. It wasn't full blown, but I really feel racy in my head, which can make it hard to create a proper conversation speed, or feeling rush on responding. I used to get this on Ritalin some, but stopped after I replace Ritalin with cannabis with CBD. It's been about a year since my first use of 2c-i and a little more than half a year since my last use - still have these effects on and off - more often than before it seems. However, the focused energy and reading/writing benefits from stimulants seem to have stuck around all the time without much need for stimulants.
2) Possible small memory/word issues? There was one trip, that I took first thing in the morning. I thought it would be nice to take it lay back down and wake up into the trip. It was good, but there was a time, where my body told me I needed nutrition, so I got up and made something to eat about an hour into the trip, which removed all of the weird, something needs to be rectified feeling during the trip. After this trip I dunno if I realized it soon after, or if it is unrelated and I'm just working it up in my head linking it to 2c-i. But it felt like I had trouble accessing some words here and there, for those words I would have to re-remember the word I wanted to say, as if I was really stoned, and then it would seem to reconnect and be easily accessible.
3) I also felt a small change in personality-smoothness? Sometimes while talking to people I will feel a little frozen up in-between transitions of dialogue. I dunno if it's just my head making it seem like its there, or if it's a result of that extra raciness, but it would feel uncomfortable and not as smooth as a transition in conversation or dead air, like the timing is a little off. Taking Marinol (Synthetic THC) seems to help with this, by making me a lot more laid back, and not racy/rushed... Surprisingly the 2c-i sessions all together seemed to correct a lot of my ADHD (long term, is this possible?), as if I didn't have to take Ritalin ever again. The first 4 times after taking 2c-i, I felt a mental increase for a week or so, but not the background stimulation feeling as much, more that I was on-it, I didn't have to think as much about what I was going to say, things just flowed out smoothly. I'm wondering if the other trips after that builtup 'whatever left over stimulation effect' , if that's even the case, in my system. I'm wonder if this gradually increased with extended use could it have brought along a baseline of the stimulation/raci feeling that wasn't there the first 3 times? And is this even possible, I know stimulants generally do not have a long half life and are out of the system fairly quickly. It seems to have added to a stronger mental stimulation along with the physical stimulation feeling. I wonder if they both increased proportionally. It now feels like my dopamine and norepinephrine receptors are at a higher rate of stimulation , than before taking 2c-i (subjective speculation based on effects from adhd stims). Seems to have cleared up a lot of the ADHD problems, I can sit and read for much longer than every before, for one. Which is nice, but there is still a somewhat mild stimulant feeling in the background, that can feel a little too racy in social situations.
(Other Possible Causes of some of the BAD Effects)
Again, I dunno if this was 2c-i, although I haven't done any other psychedelics, just high grade cannabis. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms? Another possibility is I had been in a 5 year relationship living with this girl, which I'm sure created a strong sociable comfort around dialogue and not feeling racy inside my head and body when talking to people. We mutually broke up before I had taken 2c-i, and I have been working a lot not really spending as much time hanging out with people all the time. I was curious if that could be more of the actual cause of these changes, that unsettled raciness feeling around social dialogue. That gets turned into a much more sensitive fight or flight activation, or raciness? The rushed/raciness conversation aspects doesn't happen nearly as much around family members and people I know well. So maybe it is just a social racy/rushed feeling associated with not engaging in that type of dialogue all day, like when I was living with my girlfriend. Although, that feeling of a racy stimulant in the background still rears its head when I'm alone.
I guess what I'm getting at is, has anyone experienced a sociable burnout feeling, or extended feeling of stimulation in the background a month after taking 2c-i?
At first I wondered about stimulation to the Thyroid with the Iodine in 2c-i, however many people have held the scientific stance, that there are no free-radicals in 2c-i that could break off and influence the thyroid. I did notice a faster metabolism for half a week after taking 18mg+ doses of 2c-i, where all of a sudden I would be really hungry or really thirsty with less warning. But that disappeared after a week, while these symptoms seem to have stayed so far.
GOOD Side Effects:
1) Rhymes/associated word schemes seem to be greatly elevated for months and maybe permanently afterward? Being able to come up with lyrics off the top of my head, and connect rhyming words at a much more efficent rate, in real time instantly as I go along, something that would be way out of my mental reach prior to 2c-i.
2) Allowed me to write with ease much better than ever before - with no Ritalin (A hard feat prior to 2C-I). , without having to keep re-reading what I wrote. My whole life writing long papers was always a struggle, even with ritalin, which i think made things worse. However after my 2c-i sessions, I am able to write much longer, coherent, and less convoluted structures in full. As if it's nothing, when before I would have to read back over paragraphs multiple times to make sure it wasn't confusing, now it just flows as I type. I find myself writing No-Filler posts that are just as long as this, daily. Something that would have been a daunting task before. The ADHD medicine I used to take would work on Dopamine (Ritalin) and Norepinephrine (Strattera), which are supposed to also be areas stimulated by 2c-i. I'm wondering if some of the possible long term effects deal with any changes to the way these pathways are naturally stimulated after taking 2c-i, or if their stimulation rate could be increased by some other change. It also made me care a lot more about getting better at writing. It made me a mild-OCD with going back over posts and making sure everything is written the best I could. When before, as soon as I finished something I wrote, I was so overloaded from all the effort and struggle, that I didn't want to look at it anymore. Now I read over 3-4 times, and make everything perfect, learning better ways to write as I go along.
I would really appreciate any responses people might have. I also realized that the more I worry or focus on them, the more they seem to be apparent, but if I trick myself that they aren't really there, it seems to be better, except for the stimulant feeling - which is physical as well as mental.
Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully respond to my post,
Bi0hazard
Hey everyone. I've been reading over 30+ pages of this forum and was curious if anyone else had similar after effects as me, or it just in my mind? There are some potential left over positive as well as negative after effects. Any feedback would be great, especially people well knowledgeable in chemistry, who could posit different possible explanations, or help explain that it could just be an environmental change, or my surroundings and different changes in the level of constant social interactions. I would greatly appreciate people check it out and reply with any valuable information.
I did 2C-I, 7 or 8 times over 5 months, with doses between 16-21mg and smoked cannabis during the trips. Overall I had a great time on 2c-i, the trips, visuals and insights were great. Didn't really mind the stimulant feelings during the trip, and felt very sociable, even more on it than usually. I felt fine the days after, even more on-it mentally. I have ADHD, and have had restless/raciness enegies (especially while on ritalin), but much less with no stimulants and using Indica Dominant cannabis to effectively get rid of the racy/restless energy that builds up. So to start off I have been familiar with the feeling of stimulants for many years, but hadn't used Ritalin/concerta (Dopamine) or strattera (noremprinephrine) for 2 years before ingesting the 2c-i doses. The first two times were a week apart, but everything after that was at least 3 weeks apart, sometimes a month+.
About a month after I started experiencing some side effects:
Some good and some potentially bad. I'll start out with the bad ones first because I really want peoples Feedback on them. Want to know if it is the 2c-i or just in my head due to other factors. For the record I had no Visual HPPD's, something I would even get from mushrooms doses for a few days.
BAD Side Effects: (Please let me know if anyone else is experiencing these) I think the re-stimulation of these adverse effects come on more frequently when I'm smoking weed. Others have said cannabis re-stimulates some of the 2c-i properties.
1) I noticed a continued "stimulant" effect that seemed to last for over a year. It seems like I would feel sped up like I was on Ritalin, especially when smoking weed, that seems to bring it out more often. It's not as intense, but I feel a little jittery, like rushed in my head, also some muscle spastic movements or pulses/bodyloads. Similar to taking 2C-I, where the energy bodyload builds up and you want to kind of shake it out of you, or tap your feet to release it. I feel what seems to be left over manifests itself in small jumps in muscle movements as a subconscious release of the energy. This can happen in social situations, where I have trouble slowing down to the pace of the conversation. This didn't use to happen, after I stopped taking Ritalin. It wasn't full blown, but I really feel racy in my head, which can make it hard to create a proper conversation speed, or feeling rush on responding. I used to get this on Ritalin some, but stopped after I replace Ritalin with cannabis with CBD. It's been about a year since my first use of 2c-i and a little more than half a year since my last use - still have these effects on and off - more often than before it seems. However, the focused energy and reading/writing benefits from stimulants seem to have stuck around all the time without much need for stimulants.
2) Possible small memory/word issues? There was one trip, that I took first thing in the morning. I thought it would be nice to take it lay back down and wake up into the trip. It was good, but there was a time, where my body told me I needed nutrition, so I got up and made something to eat about an hour into the trip, which removed all of the weird, something needs to be rectified feeling during the trip. After this trip I dunno if I realized it soon after, or if it is unrelated and I'm just working it up in my head linking it to 2c-i. But it felt like I had trouble accessing some words here and there, for those words I would have to re-remember the word I wanted to say, as if I was really stoned, and then it would seem to reconnect and be easily accessible.
3) I also felt a small change in personality-smoothness? Sometimes while talking to people I will feel a little frozen up in-between transitions of dialogue. I dunno if it's just my head making it seem like its there, or if it's a result of that extra raciness, but it would feel uncomfortable and not as smooth as a transition in conversation or dead air, like the timing is a little off. Taking Marinol (Synthetic THC) seems to help with this, by making me a lot more laid back, and not racy/rushed... Surprisingly the 2c-i sessions all together seemed to correct a lot of my ADHD (long term, is this possible?), as if I didn't have to take Ritalin ever again. The first 4 times after taking 2c-i, I felt a mental increase for a week or so, but not the background stimulation feeling as much, more that I was on-it, I didn't have to think as much about what I was going to say, things just flowed out smoothly. I'm wondering if the other trips after that builtup 'whatever left over stimulation effect' , if that's even the case, in my system. I'm wonder if this gradually increased with extended use could it have brought along a baseline of the stimulation/raci feeling that wasn't there the first 3 times? And is this even possible, I know stimulants generally do not have a long half life and are out of the system fairly quickly. It seems to have added to a stronger mental stimulation along with the physical stimulation feeling. I wonder if they both increased proportionally. It now feels like my dopamine and norepinephrine receptors are at a higher rate of stimulation , than before taking 2c-i (subjective speculation based on effects from adhd stims). Seems to have cleared up a lot of the ADHD problems, I can sit and read for much longer than every before, for one. Which is nice, but there is still a somewhat mild stimulant feeling in the background, that can feel a little too racy in social situations.
(Other Possible Causes of some of the BAD Effects)
Again, I dunno if this was 2c-i, although I haven't done any other psychedelics, just high grade cannabis. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms? Another possibility is I had been in a 5 year relationship living with this girl, which I'm sure created a strong sociable comfort around dialogue and not feeling racy inside my head and body when talking to people. We mutually broke up before I had taken 2c-i, and I have been working a lot not really spending as much time hanging out with people all the time. I was curious if that could be more of the actual cause of these changes, that unsettled raciness feeling around social dialogue. That gets turned into a much more sensitive fight or flight activation, or raciness? The rushed/raciness conversation aspects doesn't happen nearly as much around family members and people I know well. So maybe it is just a social racy/rushed feeling associated with not engaging in that type of dialogue all day, like when I was living with my girlfriend. Although, that feeling of a racy stimulant in the background still rears its head when I'm alone.
I guess what I'm getting at is, has anyone experienced a sociable burnout feeling, or extended feeling of stimulation in the background a month after taking 2c-i?
At first I wondered about stimulation to the Thyroid with the Iodine in 2c-i, however many people have held the scientific stance, that there are no free-radicals in 2c-i that could break off and influence the thyroid. I did notice a faster metabolism for half a week after taking 18mg+ doses of 2c-i, where all of a sudden I would be really hungry or really thirsty with less warning. But that disappeared after a week, while these symptoms seem to have stayed so far.
GOOD Side Effects:
1) Rhymes/associated word schemes seem to be greatly elevated for months and maybe permanently afterward? Being able to come up with lyrics off the top of my head, and connect rhyming words at a much more efficent rate, in real time instantly as I go along, something that would be way out of my mental reach prior to 2c-i.
2) Allowed me to write with ease much better than ever before - with no Ritalin (A hard feat prior to 2C-I). , without having to keep re-reading what I wrote. My whole life writing long papers was always a struggle, even with ritalin, which i think made things worse. However after my 2c-i sessions, I am able to write much longer, coherent, and less convoluted structures in full. As if it's nothing, when before I would have to read back over paragraphs multiple times to make sure it wasn't confusing, now it just flows as I type. I find myself writing No-Filler posts that are just as long as this, daily. Something that would have been a daunting task before. The ADHD medicine I used to take would work on Dopamine (Ritalin) and Norepinephrine (Strattera), which are supposed to also be areas stimulated by 2c-i. I'm wondering if some of the possible long term effects deal with any changes to the way these pathways are naturally stimulated after taking 2c-i, or if their stimulation rate could be increased by some other change. It also made me care a lot more about getting better at writing. It made me a mild-OCD with going back over posts and making sure everything is written the best I could. When before, as soon as I finished something I wrote, I was so overloaded from all the effort and struggle, that I didn't want to look at it anymore. Now I read over 3-4 times, and make everything perfect, learning better ways to write as I go along.
I would really appreciate any responses people might have. I also realized that the more I worry or focus on them, the more they seem to be apparent, but if I trick myself that they aren't really there, it seems to be better, except for the stimulant feeling - which is physical as well as mental.
Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully respond to my post,
Bi0hazard
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