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2C-EF - First Time - Smooth As Silk and Warm Like Sunshine

Xorkoth

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2C-EF - First Time - 7-4-2019 - "Smooth As Silk and Warm Like Sunshine"
By Xorkoth

**NOTE: I later discovered via GC/MS confirmation that this was actually a blend of 2C-C, 2C-T-2, and 2C-T-7, being sold as 2C-EF by an unscrupulous longtime vendor. It is not actually a report on 2C-EF**

I've been interested in 2C-EF ever since our dear fastandbulbous synthesized it and a few reports got out that seemed to paint an amazingly positive picture. Recently I discovered that it had been made available, so, shameless drug collector and collector of experiences that I am, I had to get some. What follows is my first trial, which I intended to be just a low dose to test for a bad reaction, but that turned into more due to how nice the initial dose was.

2:45pm (T+0:00) - Ingested ~3mg orally. Interesting taste, more complex than other 2C-Xs and less bitter. Very clumpy, slightly off-white. My mood is slightly down, I'm a bit worn down from recent activities and feeling a tiny bit anxious.

3:40pm (T+0:55) - It is undeniably present, in fact quite quickly, within 15 or 20 minutes I'd say, I felt it wash over me. My girlfriend and I went to the store to get stuff for a 4th of July party we're hosting at my house, right after I took it. The feeling is incredibly smooth and lovely, a very euphoric body sensation. My mind feels loose and my mood is wonderful. This is rather subtle but 100% lovely with no sharp edges at all. Colors are saturated a bit but no visuals yet. Although this is said to be more potent than 2C-E, I must say that a 3mg dose of 2C-E would be much more psychological right now and would probably involve some amount of physical weirdness. I think the nature of the two drugs is quite different. I think I am going to plug 3mg more sometime soon as I believe this will go quite well socially with my party. I'll probably wait until 4:30 though.

4:00pm (T+1:15) - It has become somewhat stronger. My sense of equilibrium is slightly off.

4:15pm (T+1:30) - I weighed out ~3mg of 2C-EF to prepare it for plugging. It's a damnably hard powder to weigh as it is so clumpy, eyeballing it would be impossible. It comes out of the vial in chunks and a single tiny chunk weighed like 8mg so I had to pick some of it up with tweezers. The thing is, it's not in solid crystals, it just clumps together like crazy. I decided to also take 25mg of 2-FMA orally. It muddies the trial a bit, but I need to clear my bowels and, well, I just want to. And 2-FMA is pretty transparent, and I've been doing it daily for a couple of days. When I do a full dose I will certainly keep it to just 2C-EF but I'm having a party and I want the extra energy as well. Waiting for my girl to finish showering and then I will plug this and take a shower. Still feeling quite wonderful and there is a hint of movement in the corners of my vision even on just 3mg orally. I'm excited to see what 3mg rectal adds to the mix.

5:00pm (T+2:15) - I plugged ~3mg more about 15 or 20 minutes ago. While I was in the shower, I closed my eyes and I seemed to be seeing a gargantuan machine, somewhat organic rather than mechanical in its shapes, there were no colors, just shapes. It was moving in complex ways, with parts spinning around each other in many layers moving farther and farther away from me. It didn't seem to have any meaning to me, but it was fascinating. This drug is incredibly smooth. It's like you just suddenly come up, there's no real transition. Right now things are moving a bit in my vision, the letters on the keyboard keys are slightly crawling. But it's subtle. My body still feels very good. I notice a definite impairment to my motor skills. Typing this entry is more difficult than usual, I am missing keys quite a bit more often than I usually do and having to go back and fix things.

5:10pm (T+2:25) - I am doing some chores around the house to prepare for the party. I feel very motivated and everything is fun. One thing I had to do was move a couple of big logs that a bear had knocked down into our path leading to the back door. I picked up the logs without it feeling like I was expending any effort at all and threw them far up the hill. I felt very powerful in that moment. This drug is difficult to characterize. I am very intrigued to take a full dose. I'll probably just jump right into 12mg, as there is absolutely no feeling of discomfort or unease. My vision is doing a strange thing where it's not crawling or morphing, it's like suddenly everything seems rearranged and then it snaps back into place. Like when I'm looking at my keyboard and typing, sometimes the letters seem spread apart for a second. It's odd, I haven't experienced visual effects quite like this before. My body feels really wonderful, there is a coursing feeling of pleasure through my torso and extremities, especially my hands. I could see this being very pro-erotic, though I'm not focused on that at all. I think though, if the opportunity presented itself, I could get very, very into it. The feeling actually reminds me a little bit of the post-orgasm glow, now that I think about it. Wonderful!

5:30pm (T+2:45) - Decided to snort 2mg as I want a little more. It doesn't really hurt because it was such a tiny amount but there is definitely that lingering slow burn of the snorted 2C-Xs. There is no sting, just a slow burn that is more bearable by far than even snorting a tiny bit of 2C-B, or 2C-C, or 2C-I, or 2C-T-2 (the other 2C-Xs I have snorted before). So far the feeling is just growing. To be honest I feel a little moreish about it which is why I snorted 2mg, it just feels so good. So far there isn't much going on mentally except a really good mood. The visual effect is strange, it's not like 2C-B or 2C-C, that persian rug effect. It's more like afterimages of what I just saw are superimposed over what I'm looking at. It gives things a 3-dimensional quality. I felt like I could see into the wall I was looking at, as if the wall is made of layers on top of layers and as I stare into them I see deeper and deeper.

5:50pm (T+3:05) - It has gotten stronger for sure. Everything I look at appears to be multi-layered, and there is a feeing or sensation that it's filled to bursting with energy or something, everything is humming, including me. When I close my eyes I am immersed in a cacophony of moving parts of that same vast machine, I move through them without attempting to guide where I'm going and I feel a sense of motion along with it. This feels somewhat hypnotic. Very interesting drug. As I stare at the white part of my computer screen, fractal patterns starts to emerge faintly and crawl around, reminiscent of 2C-E.

6:15pm (T+3:30) - I was just out harvesting fresh wineberries (an amazing type of raspberry that is the only invasive species around here that I fully support). It felt like quite an adventure. My coordination is... not off exactly, but I have to put thought into it, my movement autopilot is not fully online. I ended up woith a large bowl full of berries. There were a bunch of little insects that were swarming me, they seemed pissed. It occurred to me that I was probably taking their food source. They might die because of me. I probably squashed a bunch of tiny things on the ground and didn't even know it. Life is kinda brutal, but also gloriously beautiful. Right now, everything is humming and vibrating with life and I feel very content. My friends are delayed until at least 7:00 now, and we have all the food stuff laid out, so now what? I suppose I'll type, or maybe go kiss my girl, or snuggle my cat. It doesn't matter, because it's all perfect.

6:45pm (T+4:00) - More of the same. I feel very sociable, kind of inebriated in a strange way but it's like I said before, I think it's because my autopilot is not fully functional. I'm having a good time alternating between posting on Bluelight, talking to my girlfriend, and texting with my friend who's on his way. Everything about this is so nice. So peaceful. Serene. It seems as if everything is in its right place. I can see a large dose of this being something very special. This is a warm, loving molecule. It feels better in the body than even 2C-B. It's also quite different from 2C-B. And very different from 2C-E, for some reason, even though it almost is 2C-E. Certain kinds of textures and colors seem to be crawling with fractals, which is really the only aspect of it that reminds me of 2C-E.

After this point my friends arrived and I stopped taking notes. As it was a 4th of July party, I started drinking. Socialization was very easy, easier than it would be on most other things that I was as high on. As the night wore on, the visuals built more until everything was waving and morphing a little bit, and whenever I stared at anything, its texture seemed to start to unravel and become 3-dimensional. I had a lot of interesting thoughts, including some moments of personal clarity on certain matters which reminded me a lot of how 2C-C is for me, warmly introspective about myself and my personality. I won't try to describe the events of the party because it was just a whole bunch of really fun, nice moments that won't mean anything to anyone but me.

At about midnight, which was about 6 and a half hours after the last redose, my pupils were still pretty large and I was definitely tripping, in fact everyone leaving at the same time made me feel a sense of loss, and for about 20 minutes I actually felt kind of awkward with it just being me and my girlfriend. I'm not sure why, I think it's because for hours I had been flitting around between people. She wanted to go to bed, and I tried, but I was quite awake. So I stayed up and read a book I recently started reading until 3:30am. I probably could have gone to bed before then but I got pretty into the book. By about 2:30, I realized I had drank 12 5% alcohol drinks, which is quite a lot. Physically I felt pretty drunk, but mentally I felt all there, which was unusual and which I attribute to the 2C-EF.

So, that was my first 2C-EF experience. I felt like trying it for the party, and because of other substances it perhaps wasn't the clearest read on it, but next time I will definitely take a big dose and not add anything else to it. I really enjoyed the experience, during parts of it I felt so good and so happy that I could have cried. It's pretty unique, it feels much lighter on the body than any other 2C-X I've tried. It's very physically euphoric, moreso than 2C-B, yet also quite transparent feeling. The visuals, though they clearly could get stronger, reminded me somewhat of 2C-E, but were also unique. They were more like 2C-E than anything else probably. It was a very emotional state, as opposed to the emotional neutrality of 2C-E. I'm pretty sure it will never be anywhere near the psychological intensity or style of 2C-E. 2C-E has this depth and seriousness to it, the ability to totally bring you out of your comfort zone, that very few other psychedelics have. 2C-EF felt very at home in my body and brain, I was very much in my comfort zone, and I liked that.

I look forward to future trials, which I will conduct in a more focused setting.

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Excellent report my friend im really looking forward to giving this one a try soon. Probably going to be taking 7-8mgs orally after the 1mg allergy test, maybe wait a couple days between them. Really expecting to be blown away after reading all of your comments.

So thankful they synthesized this one :)
 
Yeah I was just reading Kaleida' s recent post in the S&H she just made about how Sasha said it would compare to 2C-B and 2C-I if i wasnt mistaken. That was a very informative post she made and I wasnt aware of a number of things she said. But even if this is more recreational and less deep than 2C-E I'm sure it's still a fine drug. Guess im just gonna have to find out first hand.
 
Seems like a good first test run. I'm pleased to hear that it's remarkably in line with other reports on this material. Based on the reports that I've read, I could see this being really approachable and non-threatening to the psychedelic-naïve. That could mean therapeutic potential! Anything that allows someone to reckon with their emotions while in a positive, non-confronting headspace sounds promising, especially since it doesn't sound like the duration is too extreme. It's also nice to hear that the comeup is mild and that it seems pretty transparent on the body. Thanks for reporting back!
 
Yeah like I said in the report, the introspective nature of it reminds me of 2C-C, which I find reliably useful in coming to personal insights, but it's even nicer/lighter on the body. Also the visuals are more interesting, or at least I was getting hints of visual effects more reminiscent of 2C-E than 2C-B/2C-C.
 
Kappa:

I'm sorry, did you say you took the 2-FMA to clear your bowels? X) That's a new one for us, haha. If I'm being perfectly frank, psychedelics already do that for us quite efficiently on their own! ?

As always, we thank you once again very much for the very thorough trip report. :) I won't lie, I'm still kind of waiting to see what you think without the amphetamine derivative mixed in. I'm not really of the opinion that you can mix another psychoactive drug with a psychedelic without it altering the experience no matter how transparent it might normally be, but we literally never take even absolutely brand new psychedelics without mixing cannabis in so I have no room to complain, just saying I'll be eager too for the next report without that extra factor mixed in since it'll be more alike how we'll be using it. I nonetheless understand your reason for wanting it for this experience, but you're braver than I to mix it with a substance you're trying for the first time lol.

I love how fast it sounds like it comes up for a phenethylamine. What's your usual average onset time for this class of molecules?

The visuals do sound quite fascinating and are something I'll very much be looking forward to. Despite not being able to relate directly to the experience of 2C-EF yet and while understanding that you said they are different, there is something about the way you described them that to me does still feel like it reflects part of what I (and others in here!) like about 2C visuals in general, even if they are aesthetically somewhat unique except for compared to 2C-E, and I would say that 2C-E has that general quality for us too despite its visuals still being a bit different from the others we've taken so far, there still seems to be somewhat of an overall class vibe for us. Enough that I actually felt I could relatively easily picture the visuals you described here, which just made me that much more intrigued for them....

An interesting discrepancy but yet still relevant similarity I do want to mention here: your description of 2C-EF as an "emotional" drug where you "could have cried" (from happiness) as a distinction from the neutrality you experience in 2C-E actually perfectly matches our own 2C-E experience, which was a highly emotional experience that we spent the peak of both euphoric and crying. I'm curious, how many times have you actually taken 2C-E? Maybe it's just so complex that there's just even more to it than you've seen yet and this is actually more similar to it in that way than you might think? Just a thought of course. :)

Charlie, I'm glad you found that post insightful too. ☺ Dr. Shulgin truly had a great mind for understanding psychedelics, which obviously goes without saying... but should be said anyway. :) I'll really be looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this one too when you do try it! By the way, are you working on a report for your recent megatrip? ;) I'd love to read that one too.
 
Yeah I did, stimulants makes me have to, uh, void my bowels, very reliably. And I wanted to plug a dose. Psychedelics don't do that for me except a few (DOC and AMT are the only ones that come to mind).

The 2-FMA probably had some effect but it pretty much, on its own, just produces energy and motivation and a slightly more positive mood so I doubt it had much effect, plus I'd been dosing it a few days in a row. Still, ideally I wouldn't have added it and I definitely won't next time.

I've taken 2C-E probably 10 times and it's always had the same character. There are moments of great contentment and peaceful joy, and moments of fear, but mostly I feel like an impartial observer to my own feelings and to the world as a whole. I feel like emotionally I remain at a center position and the only real emotions I feel are an intellectual sort of happiness or sadness, or else anxiety and fear. It is not a "fun" feeling, it's very serious and very profound and deeply moving, but extremely analytical.

Actually it's not so much that I don't feel emotions, but that I feel distanced from them, as if I am observing them, they're not so visceral. In a way it makes me appreciate them even more, in an intellectual sense. I don't know, 2C-E is hard to nail down. I feel like it can go anywhere, but the overarching feeling so far has been of emotional distance and neutrality, and a strong feeling of "observer mode".
 
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I think the 2-FMA likely had more of an influence on your trip than you think. 4-HO-DPT never quite did it for me on its own, but one time I took some hours after taking a low dose of adderall and the trip was far more enjoyable and interesting than the other times I took it. I've also done the same with DPT and it really makes the trip more euphoric. The little bit of extra energy and motivation from a stimulant can drastically alter a trip.
 
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Perhaps so, I guess we'll see. :) I'm thinking if I don't find a time to do so before, I'm going to take 12mg or so at the next festival I'm at, which is in mid August. I want to pick a good setting for it.
 
Kappa:

Yeah I did, stimulants makes me have to, uh, void my bowels, very reliably. And I wanted to plug a dose. Psychedelics don't do that for me except a few (DOC and AMT are the only ones that come to mind).

That's funny, I guess whatever works for you, haha. Honestly, all psychedelics do it incredibly reliably for us, though maybe especially tryptamines. The second we even barely feel it hitting, if we've got something in, it's coming out.... Maybe we just have some kind of GI serotonin receptor sensitivity which is why it happens so fast?

I've taken 2C-E probably 10 times and it's always had the same character. There are moments of great contentment and peaceful joy, and moments of fear, but mostly I feel like an impartial observer to my own feelings and to the world as a whole. I feel like emotionally I remain at a center position and the only real emotions I feel are an intellectual sort of happiness or sadness, or else anxiety and fear. It is not a "fun" feeling, it's very serious and very profound and deeply moving, but extremely analytical.

Actually it's not so much that I don't feel emotions, but that I feel distanced from them, as if I am observing them, they're not so visceral. In a way it makes me appreciate them even more, in an intellectual sense. I don't know, 2C-E is hard to nail down. I feel like it can go anywhere, but the overarching feeling so far has been of emotional distance and neutrality, and a strong feeling of "observer mode".

Very interesting, thanks much for sharing. :)

I will just say, there are almost no psychedelics period we have taken even ten times yet, but the one we've taken the most was LSD at nearly thirty times, and our twenty-somethingth time with it, from the same batch we had already had plenty of experiences with already with both lower and higher dosages before, was completely different from every other LSD trip we've ever had in character, basically unrecognizable. We have since had a 1P-LSD trip that was very similar to it, however. Maybe 2C-E does still have more mysteries to reveal to you after all, again just a thought. :) As always, a simpler answer could be that we just respond to it differently.

It genuinely was a very viscerally emotional experience for us, so that was different, but it did feel intellectual too. Despite our more direct feeling of connection to this trip, I can still relate to the distanced description too.... It's part of why we tend to describe phenethylamines as more purely dissociative than tryptamines in general. I'm definitely looking forward to exploring it more myself.

Looking forward to your next 2C-EF trial too. ☺
 
Huh weird, tryptamines have no effect on my bowel movement at all, except maybe 5-MeO-MiPT among those I've tried (well, and AMT, but AMT is actually a stimulant). The DOXs do it every time but not so much the 2C-Xs. And as I mentioned, stimulants. My morning caffeine is extremely reliable in that regard. Any amphetamine will pretty much empty stuff out I didn't even know was there.
 
2C-E and 2C-EF are worlds apart. 2C-E is one of if not the most intellectually intense psychedelics there is. Amazing the difference that one little fluorine can make.
 
Ah I see, the only 2C-x I've tried are B,C,D,I. I'm just waiting for the right time to try E as everyone always says it is the most intense of the ones I've listed.

I have a feeling I'll never get to sample 2C-EF, nor any of the 2C-Tx. But considering how many psychedelics I have tried I'm definitely not complaining :D
 
The only reason I got to try this is because I'm a shameless drug collector with my ear to the ground and this has been briefly made available for insanely an expensive price. But I've wanted to try it for a long time, ever since f&b synthed it and a few reports got out from that.

I find it quite similar to 2C-C except more euphoric, gentler, and better visuals. 2C-E, on the other hand, is nothing like 2C-C/2C-EF/2C-B/2C-I. I mean not nothing like it, but it's in a league of its own. 2C-D is kind of like it but 2C-D is a lot more euphoric and gentle, and not nearly as deep. Very demanding/challenging psychedelic that is intensely rewarding. Some of my wildest experiences have been on 2C-E, even at pretty low doses.
 
I'm still so facinated by the fact that you find notable similarities between 2C-D and 2C-E. We're all so different! :-)
 
Yeah it's true. :) Although it is dissimilar in many ways as well, I just was reminded of 2C-E moreso than any other 2C-X has reminded me of 2C-E. Until I tried 2C-D I almost considered 2C-E not even in the same category as the other 2C-Xs, besides in terms of molecular structure of course. I feel like 2-D could reach a similar level of depth or at least approach it, at much higher dosages than I took. But one thing about 2C-D is it feels very friendly and positive and easygoing, which is definitely not the case with 2C-E. The similarity has to do with the way the trip feels organic and all-encompassing. I don't know, the more I try to explain it the more it's hard to explain but the feeling of similarity was my gut reaction.
 
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