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2C-E - Inexperienced - How not to Handle a Freakout

deva

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Hi all,

Just wanted to share a story that happened to me and some friends but a few days ago.

There were 5 of us having a night with a little bit of weed and some 2ce caps.

We dropped the caps about 10pm,
Me -1
P - 1
H - 2
S - 2
G - none

took about the standard hour or so for effects to start coming on. Once the effects had really come into place it was the usual laughter, seeing lots of bright colours, etc. We were all having a good time, and all of a sudden S asks "what are you all talking about" in a concerned voice. We try to explain what the conversation was all about, but he didn't understand and kept asking what we were talking about before he asked. This started getting worse, with S asking why we wouldn't' tell him what it was that we were talking about, getting more and more concerned. Then S started saying things about why H was looking at him angrily and asked me to go outside with him and talk about it. So i do. I try to convince him that no1 is angry, but he wont have a bar of it, so say i'll go talk to H and ask him what the go is. at this point i go instide, talk to H, leaving S on the balcony. When H goes outside to reassure him nothing is wrong, he's crouched cowering in the corner saying "please dont hit me man" and things like that. H keeps reassuring that no1 is angry. H comes inside at S's request to leave him alone. Eventually the same thing happens again with P being asked by S to have a chat with him outside. The same thing happens again with H. All this sort of stuff continues for another hour or so, until we convince S go go have a lay down in the bed, it might make him feel better. All this time G has been asleep in that bed, and a few minutes after S goes in, he awakes to go have a pee. He scratches his nose, S yells 'plz dont hit me man' and starts being scared of G. G is confused as fuck, as he's been alseep, so he pees, comes out to see us to ask wtf is going on? we explain, and he thinks' maybe S is acting. S gets worse and worse, keeps leaving the room, once to go down the hall, and hide in the garbage chute door, to be found by P 10 - 15 minutes later. More of this keeps going on, and eventually H & S find themselves downstairs, me n P go down to look for them after realising they're gone, and S wants us to leave him alone, so we let him go back upstairs to the room (which G is asleep in again) we go back upstairs to find S crying and out on the balcony and he tells us to 'fuck off' so we leave the room, but G stays to convince him to come back inside. At this point, me and P are completely 'down' now, no effects at all. S is now on the outer ledge of the balcony (30 stories up) telling us to fuck off, we're in the hall shitting our pants, waiting until G can talk him back in. This goes on for what seemed like an eternity. P manages to talk his way into the room, but not anywhere near S. P & G keep trying to convince S to come off the balcony, it all eventuates with S leaning forward, & letting go of the rail. G moves as quick as fuck, gets out there grabs him under the arms and holds him while he's kicking and thrashing, G calls out to the rest of us, we run like shit inside and drag S back into the room. At this point we try to get him to go downstairs to get to hospital, but he wont have that. we have to drag him downstairs against his will (we all thought it was way too dangerous being 30 stories up). Eventually the police come to sort it all out. And the rest is sorta not worth talking about. just the usual get both sides of the story, etc.

I'm sure i've missed plenty of things there. but that's the main points.
There were other factors too i think (broke up with girlfriend day before, has been smoking weed every day for like 3 years now, has been taking alot of lsd recently too)

this is a classic case of drug induced psychosis no?
anyways, S is now back home (in the state where he lives) 2 days later and is still paranoid and convinced we're all against him. this has spread to other friends, and his parents too, they're all against him... 2 of the ppl who were with him have received text messages to say "tell me what you were all angry about, or stop calling and texting me"

that's the most fucked up thing that has ever happened to som1 i know (well equally as fucked up as 1 other thing, similar in nature, but my brother)

I just had to share, cuz i haven't really talked to anyone about it yet, and i dunno if i can.

Any suggestions welcome on what to do for S (and my own self too)
Thanks for reading my post.
 
Yeah looks like he cracked. For how long I don't know. Tell him to see a doctor and explain it all. He needs to stop drugs and especially weed. Once wee'd been mixed withpsychedelics, meth or MDMA, it brings on that same mindstate and memories and he'll be sitting there trying to work out a bunch of gibberish abd brain error. He could have a more serious illness like you said but he needs to stop weed and just forget about the night as a drug induced mess. Sounds like it was just total brain error that triggered the event because of recent experiences and he triggered "schiophrenia" at the time and misinterpreted everyone. Been in the situation before, Keep clean and it goes away. Short term benzos may help

What were the 2C-E doses?
 
sounds pretty fucked up

i think the best advice anyone could give your friend is to get off the drugs, especially the weed.

weed and lsd are only going to feed his paranoid delusions.

but yea, was the paranoia evident before he consumed the 2ce?
 
The dumbest thing that happened was you all trying to get him to go tothe hospital, but when you think things cant get any dumber, you call the police?

Thats stupid, he would have come down in a couple hours, just wait it out.

Before you take psychedelics, maybe you guys should learn about them, their potential hazards and learn how to deal with someone in that state. Believe me itsa terrifying feeling to be freaking on psychedelics.

You guys should never have called the cops.
how much 2ce was in the caps, 2ce is a strong drug. IF one dose was enough to get you guys going well, then twice as much could possibly be dangerous! you guys should treat psychedelics less like MDMA pills and more like a sacrament to be RESPECTED. If you had read a little about 2ce you would have known that an increase in 2mg will lead to a double in intensity. I blame everyone for that mess, not just poor S.
 
Man a phycotic break is my worst fear. I feel so sorry for your friend. Just try to be there for him even though he hostile cause thats what friends are for. Callin te police was shitty jail is no place to be going phycotic. This is why its good to have fast acting benzos and anti-phycotics around when tripping.
 
I'm also curious as to how much was in each capsule.

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Because of the non-linear nature of the dose response curve I don't think 2C-E is the type of drug that should never be sold or used by inexperienced users. If you want a 'recreational' RC, stick to 2C-B (not that I'm endorsing hedonistic use) and leave 2C-E alone, its serious medicine.

I'll be taking 2C-E for the first time myself in the near future, but I'll start with no more than 5mg and work up slowly from there.

I also agree that calling the police or telling the person you're going to take them to the hospital (unless they request it) is a bad idea. Also having 4 people trying to convince someone off of a balcony could possibly lead to the opposite reaction. Hopefully the person gets better and everyone has learned a valuable lesson. The whole problem could have likely been avoided by research on the effects of 2C-E, proper dosing, and benzos (I wouldn't take 2C-E alone, let alone with others without them handy just in case).
 
I agree police are almost always a bad idea..
Sometime people need to be restrained which is a mess up situation. I think people restraining someone should get a story straight incase it gets out of hand like “they were going to hurt themselves” so there isn’t 4 different stories and kidnapping charges.
If I was in a out of control situation that involve police and 2Cs I would tell the police my friend might have taken some ecstasy he got from the streets. It is in the same family of substances has the same physical side effects so they would know how to treat it instead of trying to figure out what 2C? is and if no one actually saw them take drugs it is harder for your in trouble friend to get charges pressed against them.

I am not a doctor or lawyer so take all this with a grain of salt but a little prevention can save years of court costs.

Kind of sounds like your friend has paranoid schizophrenia, I hope he can heal him self.
 
that shit always sucks, i had a miss hap quite similar to your friends, only difference being i ate 2ci, after a tool concert my friend and i chilled with half the people we went with and the rest of the night... like 4 hours i couldnt get out of myhead that everybody was , in my case, tryin to piss me off and bring up old shit, i ended up quitting all drugs for about 4 months.
 
apologies for the thread name. should have read the rules closer.

and as for dumbest thing that happened was trying to get him to a hospital, and then calling the police?. We were trying to get him to come down from the outer ledge of a 30th floor balcony... to me that's not stupid. As for calling the police, WE didn't do that, because he was causing so much ruckus, some other people in the building called the police. We're not that stupid. I would call you stupid for making THAT assumption that WE called the police.

Wait for him to come down? O.K..... imagine A friend of yours you have known since you were 8 years old, standing on the outer ledge of a 30 floor building, not holding on with his hands, just balancing there, telling you he's going to jump (yes I know that most people are all talk and really probably aren't going to do it, but there's always that possibilty, and I myself am not willing to take that risk of just 'seeing how it pans out') You tell me then that YOU could just leave him to 'come down'?

You can get on your high horse Beenhead (i'm trying not to be too disrespectful here whilst still trying to make my point) and say that I should know my drug before consuming. The fact is, I MYSELF do, I have used 2c-e on a lot more than a handful of occasions and (regardless of drug) I ALWAYS read up on shit before I use it (I am more cautious than most of my friends) whereas "S" did not. He had not taken it before. I did not give it to him, I didn't even suggest he take it (although on the contrary I did not discourage him either)

I take your comments with insult Beenhead, however I know the advice is true, but insulting people for things they didn't do is pretty shit IMO.

All that being said, I hope me and my mates have learned something. I know I have. Don't take tryptamines or any hallucinogens with inexperienced (and more than likely already suffering depression) users in possibly dangerous surroundings.
 
^ Being in such a situation where you cannot "reach" a person who is deeply afraid/terrified is frustrating/frightening & a wake up call in many ways. Be grateful he's OK.


Sometimes IME, drugs act far more pwerfully at certain times, maybe the receptors are fully receptive or ssomething, but for sure I've taken measured doses of pharmacutical grade chems & had an effect from half a dose I wouldn't have anticipated from 3 times that amount.....



take care


Good luck to you & your friends. :)
 
It looks like you learned a good lesson. But It is my job to point out the wrong point of action. I am sorry that I said you were stupid, that was wrong of me and I am sorry. You did not leave me a choice but to think you guys called the cops the flow of the story led me to that, and its hreat you did not call them, did a neighbor?

What I meant be let him comedown was to get him off the ledge, then keep him calm as possible till he came down from the drugs. You kinda took me out of context. Always get someone down from the ledge. It is never a good idea to tell a freaking person to go to the hospital because that implies that you may get in trouble. If a person is suffering form stroke, pulmonary adema, heart attack, seizure; get to a hospital. But freaking from a trip is not cause to go to the hospital, there is little theycan do except pump you full of antipsychotics, and make them feel scared of the hospital.

I didnt know someone in your group didnt call the cops, IM sorry, And Im glad you learned your lesson. Please be safe in the future, and use your knowlege of psychedelics and inform those around you using of your knowlege. If you dont think someone around you is unfit to trip, maybe give your opinion. Be the person in your group everyone trusts when they want to know something about drugs, or when they want to be the safest possible.
 
Beenhead said:
It looks like you learned a good lesson. But It is my job to point out the wrong point of action. I am sorry that I said you were stupid, that was wrong of me and I am sorry. You did not leave me a choice but to think you guys called the cops the flow of the story led me to that, and its hreat you did not call them, did a neighbor?

What I meant be let him comedown was to get him off the ledge, then keep him calm as possible till he came down from the drugs. You kinda took me out of context. Always get someone down from the ledge. It is never a good idea to tell a freaking person to go to the hospital because that implies that you may get in trouble. If a person is suffering form stroke, pulmonary adema, heart attack, seizure; get to a hospital. But freaking from a trip is not cause to go to the hospital, there is little theycan do except pump you full of antipsychotics, and make them feel scared of the hospital.

I didnt know someone in your group didnt call the cops, IM sorry, And Im glad you learned your lesson. Please be safe in the future, and use your knowlege of psychedelics and inform those around you using of your knowlege. If you dont think someone around you is unfit to trip, maybe give your opinion. Be the person in your group everyone trusts when they want to know something about drugs, or when they want to be the safest possible.

Seriously, I do appreciate your comments :) Thank you.
I'm just so used to the bullshit that gets thrown around on most forums and it's nice to know some people do take the time to think about what they type (but also i know how easy it is to get annoyed and vent ur frustration)

As for learning my lesson, i definately have. The others involved r off the gear (but I dont' know for how long) I know I won't be taking any sort of risk like that again... I know my limits and I really should have spoken up before things got out of hand.

As an update "S" seems to be coping pretty well with everything now, but still to this day has no idea why he did what he did. I tried to explain it to him (both of my olds are in the health profession and a sibling of mine has suffered from drug induced psychosis before, so i know a little about it (booting meth for 3 years will fuck with your head no doubt!!)) I'm finding it hard to get him to understand what happens (sending articles to read, etc) but on the positive side he at least is telling me he is extremely unlikely to take psychedelics again (he now admits his somewhat fragile mental state) Now i just gotta convince the lad to stop smoking pot every day!! (imo this daily pot smoking contributed alot to the situation)
 
I actually have a list of things that I've discussed with my roommates as reasons to call 911 and not to call 911. In short unless I'm dying and its confirmed that I'm dying, by a sober being, the ambulance doesn't come.
Freaking out? The solution is on the paper.
Non responsive? The trip WILL end...

I just sat down with my roommates, who aren't users and we discussed it. Now they know and it is a very cool space.

Except the one guy who doesn't get that extreme visual imagery in conversation can sway visuals. He'll make really inappropriate jokes at times when they shouldn't be made. Sometimes he fucks my head space up.
 
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