sleepysaint
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Preface:
I never care to jump on any bandwagon, as it does seem as though 4-AcO-DMT has gotten a lot of positive attention lately. But before and since this experience, I've had many trips on it which concluded that when used carefully, it is really one of the "easiest" psychedelics I could imagine. This experience was a bit careless in conception though, as I came to find out.
Prior to this experience, I had taken 2C-E many times (15 times or more with dosages up to 40mg) and 4-AcO-DMT twice, with the more recent of the two trips at 30mg. Other than those two substances, I've used a few other drugs that I'd call psychedelics (an experience with mescaline, some LSA experiences, one very weak LSD experience), but I've tried many other psychoactives in general. My experiences with 2C-E have been truly astonishing and mind-opening, and I know it can be a very trying substance at times. I've never taken psilocybin mushrooms but my other experiences with psilacetin have been altogether positive, without any great mental distress. I read a few reports of this combo that sparked my interest, so after trying out my psilacetin at a comfortable "full" dose, I resolved to give this combination a try. I previously tried the rectal ROA with 2C-E many times and found it to be a good way to dose due to increased potency and less "body load", so after doing some research. I decided to try it with the psilacetin.
I knew that 2C-E had a slower period of coming up than the psilacetin, and generally lasts a lot longer, so I planned to take the 2C-E first and follow with the psilacetin an hour later. I didn't want to prepare two separate rectal doses so I took the 2C-E orally.
Substances:
2C-E hydrochloride (15mg) orally
4-AcO-DMT fumarate (15mg) rectally
Cannabis (about 1/3 of a gram) smoked
Environment/Mindset:
I had this experience recently at the beginning of a rare long weekend from work/classes. I had spent the day at work fairly productively, and I was in a good mood. I had a average-sized dinner of some excellent Thai curry (not very spicy) about 1.5 hours before I began. I was at home by myself for the entire duration of the experience, not counting internet/phone contact with some close friends.
Detailed Report:
At 8:30 PM, I dissolved 15mg of 2C-E in a small glass of apple juice and ingested it over the course of the next 30 minutes. While I drank the juice, I prepared and smoked a spliff of tobacco and cannabis of decent quality. (I smoke cannabis almost daily and had a fair bit of tolerance. I am highly familiar with the effects cannabis has on me under normal circumstances, and it's only rarely caused any anxiety/paranoia issues for me. I had smoked it during my previous experiences with 4-AcO-DMT and found the two to be synergistic, seemingly even more so than with 2C-E or other psychedelics, although the psilacetin (predictably) eclipsed most of its effects.)
I began feeling the familiar effects of the 2C-E within 20 minutes. Light and color were intensified, and hearing was improved. I felt some slight stimulation. 2C-E has only once caused me any appreciable nausea, and I also remained free of nausea this time, possibly due in part to the cannabis. I remained excited for the upcoming experience, not knowing exactly what to expect. I was settled into a ++ after an hour from dosing the 2C-E.
At about 9:30 PM, I dissolved 15mg of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate in approximately 1.5ml of tap water in a clean shotglass. I drew the solution into a needle-less syringe and self-administered it rectally in the bathroom. When dosing 2C-E this way, I've always had some transient discomfort. The psilacetin was entirely free of that discomfort. I did not think to look at a clock after I dosed to see at exactly what time it was, but I know it was around 9:40 PM, so about 70 minutes after beginning to dose the 2C-E.
I began to feel the effects by the time I was through putting my pants back on and exiting the bathroom. This route of administration seemed to act more quickly even than snorting it. I could feel strong energy coursing through me, presumably from both substances. I walked to my bed with my laptop with the intention of chatting with someone I know, as I wanted to express what I was experiencing. As I sat at the computer, I began to feel a tremendous sense of energy in my head, especially my face. This was a wholly-new feeling that I had never experienced before. 4-AcO-DMT gave me some lovely energy like this in my torso, a spreading buzzy feeling. This was more focused and felt like it was of a higher frequency. I gazed at my carpet, and noticed how particularly messy much of it was. The odds-and-ends that were laying around my room began crawling. I'd had this effect on high doses of 2C-E but here it was much less frenetic "slithering" and more "crawling".
The energy feeling in my head was growing very rapidly. I started trying to chat online but the letters on the screen were shifting rapidly between different letters and nonsense characters, and I found it completely impossible to read text without looking over it many times. My inability to communicate made me feel anxious. I went to my cannabis jar and began trying to pack a bowl, thinking it might ease my tension. I found myself incredibly distracted, and it seemed like an impossibly monumental task to get my grinder and prepare some weed. My hands were moving slowly as if I had never done any of these actions before. So I abandoned it quickly and walked out onto the back deck with a cigarette to smoke. It was dark outside, besides a utility light that washes the trees and plants in a blue glow. The visuals were now highly prominent. The trees formed quick ambiguous shadows, that alternately changed between shapes of animals and fractals. It was extremely fast-paced, and I became frightened by the intensity of what I was experiencing. I've been through some really intense trips before, and of course I'd like to think I'm prepared for these sorts of things, but this was overwhelming me very quickly and I must admit that I simply panicked for no reason. I threw my half-smoked cigarette into the bushes (I had an ashtray nearby that I normally use) and went back inside quickly. I went back to my bedroom, stripped down to my boxers, and turned out the lights.
I put on a relaxing piece of ambient music to help and tried to think of good things. I felt startlingly intense waves of "energy" coursing through my body and head. I began thinking in very quick, unrestricted passages that led me into some very bizarre conclusions. I felt as though my body was no longer connected to my mind at one point. After the half-hour passage of ambient music ended, a few very dark and brooding classical variations came on that I forgot were at the end of the album. I was immediately moved greatly by the sad music. I began having thoughts about death in correlation with the mood of the music. The end of the last song is one that is very abrupt, within the middle of a passage. At the unexpected end of this passage, I had a sensation that I understood as having just physically died. The feeling was like that of losing my ordinary mind and body and being thrust into a highly parallel context. My senses were replaced by what seemed like raw mental input. I had the understanding that I was in some sort of purgatory, or something that comes before an eternal afterlife. I had to search for a particular phrase or word to speak before I could move on. I felt as though I was browsing through past memories and experiences to find out what I had to say. I noticed great levels of connectedness within all of the various concepts that went by me. At some point, even though I still upheld the belief that I was dead, I answered a call on my cell phone. It was from a girl I know and like, who knew I was on the substances. I thought that she "knew that I was dead" somehow and I'm sure I said some very odd things. I don't remember the conversation really but it was seemingly brief and then we hung up. Next, I felt as though I had become a part of my house, as though I was stuck inside of the large inanimate object physically like the mind is trapped within the body. I was experiencing a very high degree of "looping thoughts" during this time, through various symbolic images and other previously discussed concepts. At one point I physically opened my eyes in the dark and sat up. My mind was saying "But I can't be dead" "But why can't I get out?" "I'm not dead" "You should be dead!" &c., but I laid back down and entered back into the loop of believing I had died.
At about 1:30AM, I "woke up" from this loop for good. I sat up and realized my bed was soaking wet. I hadn't been sweating - I had urinated all over myself and my bed during the "death". This was rather embarassing and not pleasant to awaken to or realize. I also felt somewhat cheated by the way my trip went. My thought loop now seemed so incorrect and bizarre - I felt like it didn't teach me much about myself or help me out. My thoughts at the time were that I had wasted most of my trip. After cleaning up the bed and myself as best as I could, I went out in the backyard to smoke a cigarette and a bowl of weed. My pupils were still fully dilated, and I still had very minor visuals, but nothing like the peak of either drug. The marijuana made me feel a little better, but I was still somewhat upset about my trip. I finished the bowl and smoked the cigarette before going inside. After this point, I felt very strange. I talked to a couple of friends online about my trip, who helped me calm down and return to a more "ordinary" pattern of thought. I find that talking to sober people I know can help me reintegrate when I'm coming down. I smoked some more cannabis before going to bed (on dry towels and sheets) and going over what I had just experienced in my head until I fell asleep.
Conclusion:
It's obvious to me now that I made a big mistake - the first time I try a new route of administration also being my first experience with a combo. My dosage of 15mg 2C-E meant that it really dominated the experience. Some people say that they find 2C-E to be mostly visual and not very mental. I find that for me it's a highly mental trip with visuals as a minor side effect. I don't feel that this trip was very helpful in the way that psychedelics often can be - it was highly introspective, certainly, but I didn't take any big insights from it due to the confusing and intense nature of it. This trip did not show a good synergy between 2C-E and psilacetin - however, if done properly, I think it could be a very mystical/powerful/mind-opening combination for somebody. It just depends on how it is done. I would recommend a different dosage however - I would lower my dosage of 2C-E and possibly raise my dosage of 4-AcO-DMT if I get a chance to repeat the experience in the future. Next time I'll try to be more careful in how I plan.
There goes my first trip report on BL. Did I miss anything?
Love you all
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substancecode_2ce
_combo_
I never care to jump on any bandwagon, as it does seem as though 4-AcO-DMT has gotten a lot of positive attention lately. But before and since this experience, I've had many trips on it which concluded that when used carefully, it is really one of the "easiest" psychedelics I could imagine. This experience was a bit careless in conception though, as I came to find out.
Prior to this experience, I had taken 2C-E many times (15 times or more with dosages up to 40mg) and 4-AcO-DMT twice, with the more recent of the two trips at 30mg. Other than those two substances, I've used a few other drugs that I'd call psychedelics (an experience with mescaline, some LSA experiences, one very weak LSD experience), but I've tried many other psychoactives in general. My experiences with 2C-E have been truly astonishing and mind-opening, and I know it can be a very trying substance at times. I've never taken psilocybin mushrooms but my other experiences with psilacetin have been altogether positive, without any great mental distress. I read a few reports of this combo that sparked my interest, so after trying out my psilacetin at a comfortable "full" dose, I resolved to give this combination a try. I previously tried the rectal ROA with 2C-E many times and found it to be a good way to dose due to increased potency and less "body load", so after doing some research. I decided to try it with the psilacetin.
I knew that 2C-E had a slower period of coming up than the psilacetin, and generally lasts a lot longer, so I planned to take the 2C-E first and follow with the psilacetin an hour later. I didn't want to prepare two separate rectal doses so I took the 2C-E orally.
Substances:
2C-E hydrochloride (15mg) orally
4-AcO-DMT fumarate (15mg) rectally
Cannabis (about 1/3 of a gram) smoked
Environment/Mindset:
I had this experience recently at the beginning of a rare long weekend from work/classes. I had spent the day at work fairly productively, and I was in a good mood. I had a average-sized dinner of some excellent Thai curry (not very spicy) about 1.5 hours before I began. I was at home by myself for the entire duration of the experience, not counting internet/phone contact with some close friends.
Detailed Report:
At 8:30 PM, I dissolved 15mg of 2C-E in a small glass of apple juice and ingested it over the course of the next 30 minutes. While I drank the juice, I prepared and smoked a spliff of tobacco and cannabis of decent quality. (I smoke cannabis almost daily and had a fair bit of tolerance. I am highly familiar with the effects cannabis has on me under normal circumstances, and it's only rarely caused any anxiety/paranoia issues for me. I had smoked it during my previous experiences with 4-AcO-DMT and found the two to be synergistic, seemingly even more so than with 2C-E or other psychedelics, although the psilacetin (predictably) eclipsed most of its effects.)
I began feeling the familiar effects of the 2C-E within 20 minutes. Light and color were intensified, and hearing was improved. I felt some slight stimulation. 2C-E has only once caused me any appreciable nausea, and I also remained free of nausea this time, possibly due in part to the cannabis. I remained excited for the upcoming experience, not knowing exactly what to expect. I was settled into a ++ after an hour from dosing the 2C-E.
At about 9:30 PM, I dissolved 15mg of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate in approximately 1.5ml of tap water in a clean shotglass. I drew the solution into a needle-less syringe and self-administered it rectally in the bathroom. When dosing 2C-E this way, I've always had some transient discomfort. The psilacetin was entirely free of that discomfort. I did not think to look at a clock after I dosed to see at exactly what time it was, but I know it was around 9:40 PM, so about 70 minutes after beginning to dose the 2C-E.
I began to feel the effects by the time I was through putting my pants back on and exiting the bathroom. This route of administration seemed to act more quickly even than snorting it. I could feel strong energy coursing through me, presumably from both substances. I walked to my bed with my laptop with the intention of chatting with someone I know, as I wanted to express what I was experiencing. As I sat at the computer, I began to feel a tremendous sense of energy in my head, especially my face. This was a wholly-new feeling that I had never experienced before. 4-AcO-DMT gave me some lovely energy like this in my torso, a spreading buzzy feeling. This was more focused and felt like it was of a higher frequency. I gazed at my carpet, and noticed how particularly messy much of it was. The odds-and-ends that were laying around my room began crawling. I'd had this effect on high doses of 2C-E but here it was much less frenetic "slithering" and more "crawling".
The energy feeling in my head was growing very rapidly. I started trying to chat online but the letters on the screen were shifting rapidly between different letters and nonsense characters, and I found it completely impossible to read text without looking over it many times. My inability to communicate made me feel anxious. I went to my cannabis jar and began trying to pack a bowl, thinking it might ease my tension. I found myself incredibly distracted, and it seemed like an impossibly monumental task to get my grinder and prepare some weed. My hands were moving slowly as if I had never done any of these actions before. So I abandoned it quickly and walked out onto the back deck with a cigarette to smoke. It was dark outside, besides a utility light that washes the trees and plants in a blue glow. The visuals were now highly prominent. The trees formed quick ambiguous shadows, that alternately changed between shapes of animals and fractals. It was extremely fast-paced, and I became frightened by the intensity of what I was experiencing. I've been through some really intense trips before, and of course I'd like to think I'm prepared for these sorts of things, but this was overwhelming me very quickly and I must admit that I simply panicked for no reason. I threw my half-smoked cigarette into the bushes (I had an ashtray nearby that I normally use) and went back inside quickly. I went back to my bedroom, stripped down to my boxers, and turned out the lights.
I put on a relaxing piece of ambient music to help and tried to think of good things. I felt startlingly intense waves of "energy" coursing through my body and head. I began thinking in very quick, unrestricted passages that led me into some very bizarre conclusions. I felt as though my body was no longer connected to my mind at one point. After the half-hour passage of ambient music ended, a few very dark and brooding classical variations came on that I forgot were at the end of the album. I was immediately moved greatly by the sad music. I began having thoughts about death in correlation with the mood of the music. The end of the last song is one that is very abrupt, within the middle of a passage. At the unexpected end of this passage, I had a sensation that I understood as having just physically died. The feeling was like that of losing my ordinary mind and body and being thrust into a highly parallel context. My senses were replaced by what seemed like raw mental input. I had the understanding that I was in some sort of purgatory, or something that comes before an eternal afterlife. I had to search for a particular phrase or word to speak before I could move on. I felt as though I was browsing through past memories and experiences to find out what I had to say. I noticed great levels of connectedness within all of the various concepts that went by me. At some point, even though I still upheld the belief that I was dead, I answered a call on my cell phone. It was from a girl I know and like, who knew I was on the substances. I thought that she "knew that I was dead" somehow and I'm sure I said some very odd things. I don't remember the conversation really but it was seemingly brief and then we hung up. Next, I felt as though I had become a part of my house, as though I was stuck inside of the large inanimate object physically like the mind is trapped within the body. I was experiencing a very high degree of "looping thoughts" during this time, through various symbolic images and other previously discussed concepts. At one point I physically opened my eyes in the dark and sat up. My mind was saying "But I can't be dead" "But why can't I get out?" "I'm not dead" "You should be dead!" &c., but I laid back down and entered back into the loop of believing I had died.
At about 1:30AM, I "woke up" from this loop for good. I sat up and realized my bed was soaking wet. I hadn't been sweating - I had urinated all over myself and my bed during the "death". This was rather embarassing and not pleasant to awaken to or realize. I also felt somewhat cheated by the way my trip went. My thought loop now seemed so incorrect and bizarre - I felt like it didn't teach me much about myself or help me out. My thoughts at the time were that I had wasted most of my trip. After cleaning up the bed and myself as best as I could, I went out in the backyard to smoke a cigarette and a bowl of weed. My pupils were still fully dilated, and I still had very minor visuals, but nothing like the peak of either drug. The marijuana made me feel a little better, but I was still somewhat upset about my trip. I finished the bowl and smoked the cigarette before going inside. After this point, I felt very strange. I talked to a couple of friends online about my trip, who helped me calm down and return to a more "ordinary" pattern of thought. I find that talking to sober people I know can help me reintegrate when I'm coming down. I smoked some more cannabis before going to bed (on dry towels and sheets) and going over what I had just experienced in my head until I fell asleep.
Conclusion:
It's obvious to me now that I made a big mistake - the first time I try a new route of administration also being my first experience with a combo. My dosage of 15mg 2C-E meant that it really dominated the experience. Some people say that they find 2C-E to be mostly visual and not very mental. I find that for me it's a highly mental trip with visuals as a minor side effect. I don't feel that this trip was very helpful in the way that psychedelics often can be - it was highly introspective, certainly, but I didn't take any big insights from it due to the confusing and intense nature of it. This trip did not show a good synergy between 2C-E and psilacetin - however, if done properly, I think it could be a very mystical/powerful/mind-opening combination for somebody. It just depends on how it is done. I would recommend a different dosage however - I would lower my dosage of 2C-E and possibly raise my dosage of 4-AcO-DMT if I get a chance to repeat the experience in the future. Next time I'll try to be more careful in how I plan.
There goes my first trip report on BL. Did I miss anything?
Love you all
substancecode_4acodmt
substancecode_2ce
_combo_
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