2C-E + MJ + 5-meo-dmt - exp'd. - Feeling the fractal dimention?
2C-E 12-13-or 14mg.
I edited the title to add 5-meo-dmt and pot, i'd say the pot was what altered the trip more.
Warning, yes, this is once again, a long long 'report' from yaesutom. But if you've just popped your Adderall or Ritalin/etc. and you have nothing to do, ...
Setting was at a house with many others on various doses of 2C-E from around 12-14mg to 20mg. Also a couple that took a capsule of some 2C-C and 2C-T-21 at low doses.
This is my "newer" 2C-E which is less fluffy, and really does seem different than the last really fluffy stuff I had.
The "really fluffy" 2C-E I have taken 20mg+ and laughed because "we just can't get high!" as we walked up to the party store a few times.
I had some capsules labeled 12-14mg, a few that were 15-16mg, and some that were 20mg. Most people had taken one of the first two dose ranges. I just took 12-14mg, which would be almost a waste of time if it was from that "really fluffy" stuff. It really does seem different.
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I had been reading a lot about "Sacred Geometry" lately, the 'irrational' number Phi and how it is found everywhere in nature. Also something that really caught my attention, even though i've seen it reading this many times, was (sober) staring into a repeating image of "the flower of life" which when you look at it, you can start to see cubes, and well, even though this whole thing is made up of circles set up a simple way, you can see almost any kind of 3d image made up out of lines "in" it. I realised this has been a 'vision' i've seen when i've had total loss of self, like inhaling some nitrous while tripping, etc - "going back home" - "becoming everything there is".
A friend had sent me a link http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html - which I have read a long time ago (that article), and I think there was a post in some forum where someone posted some or all of this article. On the second page I clicked the sacred geometry link, and well, that led into..hours of "web surfing". Link after link, after link, you know what I mean. I saw/printed out some interesting pictures of things relating to this simple geometry, I have stacks of paper from previous tripping, where i'd draw lots of fractals, spirals, this "inner wisdom" we all have, like the very very basic "formula" or whatever you want to ..call it, like the "formula for evolution" or life...etc. Like many others, i've come up with my own theories on life, the universe, while tripping (or not), although what I had read I guess, really tied things together more, "filled in a lot of gaps". I had seen/drawn/felt/blah fractals, seen some of this stuff, but some of it leaving some questions (and well, there's always lots more to learn). Its not like all the reading (besides these web sites, books of all types) just answers questions like a religion, but i can just read from many many diverse sources, like old books about eastern religion, native american, the newest science magazines about some new ideas on the the structure of the universe/quantum mechanics/dimentions, read things with an 'open mind' and never take anything as truth but try to understand what they are trying to show, and take it in, and well..continue to take more in because well, its interesting to me.
Now, this trip wasn't extremely 'exciting', not the trip of my life or anything, but it not only filled in some of those 'gaps' about how the universe/life may work, but also filled in some 'gaps' about myself and how MUCH your own mind, can get you "higher" than just a dose of a drug.
Ok, enough about that, now although I maybe looked at the clock a few times during the trip, I don't remember what 'time the clock said' but at least I remember the order in which things happened, i think? haha.
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Hmm, well, we all ate our capsules, not all at the same time though, some before me, some after. Boooring, blah.
I think it was around 10:30pm-11:30pm when I ate mine, the scale read either 12 or 14mg or back and forth, since its one of those Tanita 1210's (down to 2mg) for those capsules. Another boring blaaaah
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Lots of pot smoking definitely altered the trip, like it usually does, although I took in a lot more than just "one tiny toke" which it seems with me and 2C-P, thats all it takes and WA-BAM!
Body felt very good, actually very euphoric for most of the trip. Also, I found myself um, quite horny, although there were a few females there, well i'll just say, none would be 'available' to get all rubby touchy with, which sucked. It was more like, "i'm horny, and i'd like just about any female right now". I imagined 2C-E being a great drug for sex, at least for me, not just physical, but well...you know (or maybe you dont, hehe). I didnt feel as though I would HAVE to be in a relationship or something, to 'mess around' / 'have some fun', and I have my own rights and wrongs and blah blah blah, but in a way it did remind me a lot like MDMA, even sorta felt like it, where most of the time I felt very emphathetic, as I have other times on 2C-E (not that i remember with the 'fluffier' batch though!). What I meant by "any female" was, not just "any", but just someone, could have just met them, but taking any action, or reacting to a "her"'s action, depended on my own personal 'morals' on whether it would be a good thing for both of "us", not a selfish "what can i do to get into any girls pants even if it was not a good thing for whatever girl" type thing.
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Now I had brought my little stone pipe, and a measured piece of 5-meo-dmt with me. If I had known just about everyone was going to try to hit that thing just trying to get any last amount out even though we knew it was gone, I would have brought more. This was later on in the trip, at least for me most things stopped 'moving around' like the peak of 2C-E/pot mixed but I still had a great body euphoria and felt great like earlier. I melted the 5meo 'crystal' or 'rock' down into the small bit of ashes in the pipe and took a hit, although it was decent, I could have used a bit more of a hit but it still worked nicely - as it always does with me.
Had a nice typical 5-meo-dmt 'rush' although it didnt go all the way. I think it was after this though when I was able to look to my center of vision, and see what i've seen before, only a little more.. I remember seeing a cube first I think, like a triangle near the center and another triangle just slightly up and left, connected by lines, just like if you were to draw a 3d cube on 2d paper. Well not triangles, maybe 'diamond shaped' squares, a square tilted 45 degrees is more accurate. There wasn't literally a 'cube' there in front of me, I could just see how my entire vision is made up. A 'closer look' (haha) at this 'cube' and I could see very clearly, I was really looking at a giant picture of "the flower of life", repeating across my whole vision. Just like if I were to stare at an image of that on paper or whatever sober, I could easily see the same cube, or I could see a bigger cube if i wanted, hell you can just about see anything "in there" when you looked for it! This was that 'vision' that I would see taking in a nitrous hit on earlier trips, but just didnt know that this big thing of circles on top of each other really meant something MORE than just how the retina/wiring of the brain/whatever was for vision. The reason everything in the brain is wired like this, the reason our DNA takes on these simple 'sacred geometry' shapes, why you see it everywhere in nature big and small, why this 'spiral' has the curve it does and the fractal nature of it, why different/separated cultures long ago end up coming up with the same basic geometry/math without communicating it, its everywhere in the universe, and why would 'consciousness' evolve..from any other um, "method"?! Also, a lot of ancient writing, pictures, symbols, from all over, well no wonder we see patterns like it sometimes when we're tripping
I saw some other things like the spiral in the center 'updating' my vision and yada yada, blah blah, a lot of this I was looking for or just sort of controlling somewhat what I perceive.
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Lots of us here talk about the feeling of being one with everything, seen the illusion of being separate from everything else there is, etc. It was real cool for a while, I was able to act pretty much myself, but yet, I honestly felt truely connected to everything, no barriers, except TIME. This might have lasted for hours, I didnt watch the clock. It was a good feeling, experiencing this oneness with all around me, even the air, even a light shined on me, for what seemed like hours (it sure wasn't a short time, I was able to stay in that state for quite a long time). I was telling my friend "A" next to me, although she probably didnt care too much as she took a low dose 2C-C+2C-T-21 combo capsule for some "colors" and body buzz/minor visuals. I would touch her, saying "wow, there are no barriers, the only thing telling my mind i'm touching you is, well, the sensory input from my hand sending that signal up to my head, pressure on my hand" (she looks at me bored then i think, haha). For a while I felt I had "caught the wave". As though, "I" was looking at 3 dimentions of space, from the 4th dimention of time. But this space really seemed to be based on all waves, also time was felt as a 'wave'. Just a bunch of waves mixing together on....what? I do not know. One other guy on a similar dose was talking about the same thing, he felt one with everything and "everything just, flows". With sound, you can take any repeating complex 'wave', and break it down into a mixture of a bunch of sine waves. Or you can make a complex shaped wave repeating at like um, 5hz, by taking sine waves of 5hz, 10hz, 15hz..so on (harmonics) and mixing them together with the right amplitude/"strength".
Also I felt that this free will we have, is just maybe because our brain, especially how many neurons and other small shit is working in there, well there's a lot of "quantum randomness" (whatever ya wanna call it) going on, you see the effects of this randomness more when your looking at something smaller. There's a lot of real small random things going on in our brain, which would change our thoughts, which change 'our' entire future universe. So although I can't prove anything, but it does 'seem' pretty logical that, well, more like, why wouldn't there be an infinite number of 'parallel' universes splitting off whenever there's the possibility of true randomness. I guess that would mean that "I", the whole "ME" doesn't just follow along one of these universes, since, my brain is made up of lots of these random things, and my body, so I guess "I" am constantly being split apart, or maybe I should say, all of the smallest parts of me are constantly being "split"/doubled/um..whats the word here..well each little part gets copied and 'explodes' into infinite (maybe not infinite, hmm, gotta think about that one, hahaha) parallel universes as time goes on. So only if i/whoever were to "stop time", or look at the first 3 dimentions, AND the 4th too (all at once) would you be able to really see a "ME", but then, wouldn't you see everyone else too, and everything there is, and all possible quantum parallel universes there are? So there's that big everything again..
I had some other wierd thought, about how maybe consciousness is like a black hole, but of a different kind. Instead of sucking matter in (or, maybe call it ...all those 'waves' of the type 'matter' or something), it sucks in information (well, i guess normal black holes do suck in information too!)... Well there's the black holes in space we know about, something getting so big the gravity causes itself to just implode, yet the more matter that goes into a black hole, apparently the entropy of it, by watching the 'size' of the black hole increase when some matter falls in, still matches or whatever. Maybe the way evolution evolves, this fractal / math / 'thingamagig' of life eventually evolves into some kind of...? well I don't know, a 'thing' that can look at 'itself' obviously, evolution evolving to the point where it can look at evolution and understand 'itself' more and more...as...TIME..moves on. Ahh well, maybe some of that made some sense, and some of it not, hehe. I better stop with this, i'm starting to get a hard on (information oooh how i love it, come on baby!)
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Other things that happened during the trip, well I could see that one person was having a 'difficult' trip, and as soon as anyone started saying stuff, in a loudish tone "hey man, you alright" I sort of said hey lower your voice and I went and sat by him, made sure everyone knew I had benzo's, soma's/etc with me if wanted which I usually always bring but never 'need'. I just tried to let him know whatever's difficult, nothing bad will happen and it is ok to 'let go' and give in. He wanted a cigarette and I got him one right away. Basically stayed there for well quite a while, not staring at him but just being calm, and let him do his thinking/whatever was going on in his head. Best thing was getting everyone to continue doing their own thing and me my own thing just everyone shut up about it, and keep an 'eye' or whatever on him sorta, i'm the one thats real hard to 'freak' and when I see someone having a difficult trip I usually have a good idea of 'whats going on' and either "been there" or "been many places near there but enough to get an idea of what his there is". I guess trying to give off the 'vibe' that I know whats going on and 'everythings cool', and most of all staying very relaxed, so the person going through it might see me doing what i'm doing and if they don't know me at least hopefully trust me more than just anyone in the room because of my actions.
Well somewhere around 6:30am I decided to leave, there were maybe about 4 people up still, and I wanted to get home and eat and get some sleep.
Umm...Conclusion?:
Well this 'newer' 2C-E that seems like the first 'oldest' 2C-E I had, does seem more potent than the other really fluffy stuff I had. Although I know it has so much to do with what you do during the trip, whats been on your mind (reading about that geometry let me 'see' it while tripping a lot easier) and of course setting has a lot to do with it. Everyone who took a dose was tripping nicely. I will have to ask them all what they thought since most of them did try the 'fluffier' 2C-E. I could be wrong though cause how much of an effect pot really has on the trip...
There's maybe more I could add but I guess this was a trip that i'll remember so I decided to type it up.
Hmm, i guess this is probably my favorite 2C-whatever out of all of them (for now!). 2C-P is quite something but lasts so long. 2C-D is great although I wish it lasted JUST a couple hours longer. I do see why people have said sometimes the euphoria does feel quite better than MDwhatever. Actually I had that thought on this trip, and I definitely would like to take this with a cool girl sometime.
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Another edit, here's some better links about 'the pattern' and 'the geometry of the universe' :
http://www.crystalinks.com/elliescreation.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/sacred_geometry.html
And here's one of the many links on that page:
http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/
And whoa how did i MISS THIS ONE!!:
http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/YSGCB.html
^^^ If any of this is not interesting, well, at least click THAT link! Does that pattern look familiar? "The Flower Of Life"
2C-E 12-13-or 14mg.
I edited the title to add 5-meo-dmt and pot, i'd say the pot was what altered the trip more.
Warning, yes, this is once again, a long long 'report' from yaesutom. But if you've just popped your Adderall or Ritalin/etc. and you have nothing to do, ...
Setting was at a house with many others on various doses of 2C-E from around 12-14mg to 20mg. Also a couple that took a capsule of some 2C-C and 2C-T-21 at low doses.
This is my "newer" 2C-E which is less fluffy, and really does seem different than the last really fluffy stuff I had.
The "really fluffy" 2C-E I have taken 20mg+ and laughed because "we just can't get high!" as we walked up to the party store a few times.
I had some capsules labeled 12-14mg, a few that were 15-16mg, and some that were 20mg. Most people had taken one of the first two dose ranges. I just took 12-14mg, which would be almost a waste of time if it was from that "really fluffy" stuff. It really does seem different.
-----------------------
I had been reading a lot about "Sacred Geometry" lately, the 'irrational' number Phi and how it is found everywhere in nature. Also something that really caught my attention, even though i've seen it reading this many times, was (sober) staring into a repeating image of "the flower of life" which when you look at it, you can start to see cubes, and well, even though this whole thing is made up of circles set up a simple way, you can see almost any kind of 3d image made up out of lines "in" it. I realised this has been a 'vision' i've seen when i've had total loss of self, like inhaling some nitrous while tripping, etc - "going back home" - "becoming everything there is".
A friend had sent me a link http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html - which I have read a long time ago (that article), and I think there was a post in some forum where someone posted some or all of this article. On the second page I clicked the sacred geometry link, and well, that led into..hours of "web surfing". Link after link, after link, you know what I mean. I saw/printed out some interesting pictures of things relating to this simple geometry, I have stacks of paper from previous tripping, where i'd draw lots of fractals, spirals, this "inner wisdom" we all have, like the very very basic "formula" or whatever you want to ..call it, like the "formula for evolution" or life...etc. Like many others, i've come up with my own theories on life, the universe, while tripping (or not), although what I had read I guess, really tied things together more, "filled in a lot of gaps". I had seen/drawn/felt/blah fractals, seen some of this stuff, but some of it leaving some questions (and well, there's always lots more to learn). Its not like all the reading (besides these web sites, books of all types) just answers questions like a religion, but i can just read from many many diverse sources, like old books about eastern religion, native american, the newest science magazines about some new ideas on the the structure of the universe/quantum mechanics/dimentions, read things with an 'open mind' and never take anything as truth but try to understand what they are trying to show, and take it in, and well..continue to take more in because well, its interesting to me.
Now, this trip wasn't extremely 'exciting', not the trip of my life or anything, but it not only filled in some of those 'gaps' about how the universe/life may work, but also filled in some 'gaps' about myself and how MUCH your own mind, can get you "higher" than just a dose of a drug.
Ok, enough about that, now although I maybe looked at the clock a few times during the trip, I don't remember what 'time the clock said' but at least I remember the order in which things happened, i think? haha.
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Hmm, well, we all ate our capsules, not all at the same time though, some before me, some after. Boooring, blah.
I think it was around 10:30pm-11:30pm when I ate mine, the scale read either 12 or 14mg or back and forth, since its one of those Tanita 1210's (down to 2mg) for those capsules. Another boring blaaaah
.Lots of pot smoking definitely altered the trip, like it usually does, although I took in a lot more than just "one tiny toke" which it seems with me and 2C-P, thats all it takes and WA-BAM!
Body felt very good, actually very euphoric for most of the trip. Also, I found myself um, quite horny, although there were a few females there, well i'll just say, none would be 'available' to get all rubby touchy with, which sucked. It was more like, "i'm horny, and i'd like just about any female right now". I imagined 2C-E being a great drug for sex, at least for me, not just physical, but well...you know (or maybe you dont, hehe). I didnt feel as though I would HAVE to be in a relationship or something, to 'mess around' / 'have some fun', and I have my own rights and wrongs and blah blah blah, but in a way it did remind me a lot like MDMA, even sorta felt like it, where most of the time I felt very emphathetic, as I have other times on 2C-E (not that i remember with the 'fluffier' batch though!). What I meant by "any female" was, not just "any", but just someone, could have just met them, but taking any action, or reacting to a "her"'s action, depended on my own personal 'morals' on whether it would be a good thing for both of "us", not a selfish "what can i do to get into any girls pants even if it was not a good thing for whatever girl" type thing.
----
Now I had brought my little stone pipe, and a measured piece of 5-meo-dmt with me. If I had known just about everyone was going to try to hit that thing just trying to get any last amount out even though we knew it was gone, I would have brought more. This was later on in the trip, at least for me most things stopped 'moving around' like the peak of 2C-E/pot mixed but I still had a great body euphoria and felt great like earlier. I melted the 5meo 'crystal' or 'rock' down into the small bit of ashes in the pipe and took a hit, although it was decent, I could have used a bit more of a hit but it still worked nicely - as it always does with me.
Had a nice typical 5-meo-dmt 'rush' although it didnt go all the way. I think it was after this though when I was able to look to my center of vision, and see what i've seen before, only a little more.. I remember seeing a cube first I think, like a triangle near the center and another triangle just slightly up and left, connected by lines, just like if you were to draw a 3d cube on 2d paper. Well not triangles, maybe 'diamond shaped' squares, a square tilted 45 degrees is more accurate. There wasn't literally a 'cube' there in front of me, I could just see how my entire vision is made up. A 'closer look' (haha) at this 'cube' and I could see very clearly, I was really looking at a giant picture of "the flower of life", repeating across my whole vision. Just like if I were to stare at an image of that on paper or whatever sober, I could easily see the same cube, or I could see a bigger cube if i wanted, hell you can just about see anything "in there" when you looked for it! This was that 'vision' that I would see taking in a nitrous hit on earlier trips, but just didnt know that this big thing of circles on top of each other really meant something MORE than just how the retina/wiring of the brain/whatever was for vision. The reason everything in the brain is wired like this, the reason our DNA takes on these simple 'sacred geometry' shapes, why you see it everywhere in nature big and small, why this 'spiral' has the curve it does and the fractal nature of it, why different/separated cultures long ago end up coming up with the same basic geometry/math without communicating it, its everywhere in the universe, and why would 'consciousness' evolve..from any other um, "method"?! Also, a lot of ancient writing, pictures, symbols, from all over, well no wonder we see patterns like it sometimes when we're tripping
I saw some other things like the spiral in the center 'updating' my vision and yada yada, blah blah, a lot of this I was looking for or just sort of controlling somewhat what I perceive.---
Lots of us here talk about the feeling of being one with everything, seen the illusion of being separate from everything else there is, etc. It was real cool for a while, I was able to act pretty much myself, but yet, I honestly felt truely connected to everything, no barriers, except TIME. This might have lasted for hours, I didnt watch the clock. It was a good feeling, experiencing this oneness with all around me, even the air, even a light shined on me, for what seemed like hours (it sure wasn't a short time, I was able to stay in that state for quite a long time). I was telling my friend "A" next to me, although she probably didnt care too much as she took a low dose 2C-C+2C-T-21 combo capsule for some "colors" and body buzz/minor visuals. I would touch her, saying "wow, there are no barriers, the only thing telling my mind i'm touching you is, well, the sensory input from my hand sending that signal up to my head, pressure on my hand" (she looks at me bored then i think, haha). For a while I felt I had "caught the wave". As though, "I" was looking at 3 dimentions of space, from the 4th dimention of time. But this space really seemed to be based on all waves, also time was felt as a 'wave'. Just a bunch of waves mixing together on....what? I do not know. One other guy on a similar dose was talking about the same thing, he felt one with everything and "everything just, flows". With sound, you can take any repeating complex 'wave', and break it down into a mixture of a bunch of sine waves. Or you can make a complex shaped wave repeating at like um, 5hz, by taking sine waves of 5hz, 10hz, 15hz..so on (harmonics) and mixing them together with the right amplitude/"strength".
Also I felt that this free will we have, is just maybe because our brain, especially how many neurons and other small shit is working in there, well there's a lot of "quantum randomness" (whatever ya wanna call it) going on, you see the effects of this randomness more when your looking at something smaller. There's a lot of real small random things going on in our brain, which would change our thoughts, which change 'our' entire future universe. So although I can't prove anything, but it does 'seem' pretty logical that, well, more like, why wouldn't there be an infinite number of 'parallel' universes splitting off whenever there's the possibility of true randomness. I guess that would mean that "I", the whole "ME" doesn't just follow along one of these universes, since, my brain is made up of lots of these random things, and my body, so I guess "I" am constantly being split apart, or maybe I should say, all of the smallest parts of me are constantly being "split"/doubled/um..whats the word here..well each little part gets copied and 'explodes' into infinite (maybe not infinite, hmm, gotta think about that one, hahaha) parallel universes as time goes on. So only if i/whoever were to "stop time", or look at the first 3 dimentions, AND the 4th too (all at once) would you be able to really see a "ME", but then, wouldn't you see everyone else too, and everything there is, and all possible quantum parallel universes there are? So there's that big everything again..
I had some other wierd thought, about how maybe consciousness is like a black hole, but of a different kind. Instead of sucking matter in (or, maybe call it ...all those 'waves' of the type 'matter' or something), it sucks in information (well, i guess normal black holes do suck in information too!)... Well there's the black holes in space we know about, something getting so big the gravity causes itself to just implode, yet the more matter that goes into a black hole, apparently the entropy of it, by watching the 'size' of the black hole increase when some matter falls in, still matches or whatever. Maybe the way evolution evolves, this fractal / math / 'thingamagig' of life eventually evolves into some kind of...? well I don't know, a 'thing' that can look at 'itself' obviously, evolution evolving to the point where it can look at evolution and understand 'itself' more and more...as...TIME..moves on. Ahh well, maybe some of that made some sense, and some of it not, hehe. I better stop with this, i'm starting to get a hard on (information oooh how i love it, come on baby!)
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Other things that happened during the trip, well I could see that one person was having a 'difficult' trip, and as soon as anyone started saying stuff, in a loudish tone "hey man, you alright" I sort of said hey lower your voice and I went and sat by him, made sure everyone knew I had benzo's, soma's/etc with me if wanted which I usually always bring but never 'need'. I just tried to let him know whatever's difficult, nothing bad will happen and it is ok to 'let go' and give in. He wanted a cigarette and I got him one right away. Basically stayed there for well quite a while, not staring at him but just being calm, and let him do his thinking/whatever was going on in his head. Best thing was getting everyone to continue doing their own thing and me my own thing just everyone shut up about it, and keep an 'eye' or whatever on him sorta, i'm the one thats real hard to 'freak' and when I see someone having a difficult trip I usually have a good idea of 'whats going on' and either "been there" or "been many places near there but enough to get an idea of what his there is". I guess trying to give off the 'vibe' that I know whats going on and 'everythings cool', and most of all staying very relaxed, so the person going through it might see me doing what i'm doing and if they don't know me at least hopefully trust me more than just anyone in the room because of my actions.
Well somewhere around 6:30am I decided to leave, there were maybe about 4 people up still, and I wanted to get home and eat and get some sleep.
Umm...Conclusion?:
Well this 'newer' 2C-E that seems like the first 'oldest' 2C-E I had, does seem more potent than the other really fluffy stuff I had. Although I know it has so much to do with what you do during the trip, whats been on your mind (reading about that geometry let me 'see' it while tripping a lot easier) and of course setting has a lot to do with it. Everyone who took a dose was tripping nicely. I will have to ask them all what they thought since most of them did try the 'fluffier' 2C-E. I could be wrong though cause how much of an effect pot really has on the trip...
There's maybe more I could add but I guess this was a trip that i'll remember so I decided to type it up.
Hmm, i guess this is probably my favorite 2C-whatever out of all of them (for now!). 2C-P is quite something but lasts so long. 2C-D is great although I wish it lasted JUST a couple hours longer. I do see why people have said sometimes the euphoria does feel quite better than MDwhatever. Actually I had that thought on this trip, and I definitely would like to take this with a cool girl sometime.
****
Another edit, here's some better links about 'the pattern' and 'the geometry of the universe' :
http://www.crystalinks.com/elliescreation.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/sacred_geometry.html
And here's one of the many links on that page:
http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/
And whoa how did i MISS THIS ONE!!:
http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/YSGCB.html
^^^ If any of this is not interesting, well, at least click THAT link! Does that pattern look familiar? "The Flower Of Life"
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